Waterboarding terrorists lead US to Bin Laden

United States
May 2, 2011 11:45pm CST
Congressman Peter King (R-NY) says waterboarding terrorists helped lead us to Osama bin Laden. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/02/rep_peter_king_on_oreilly_waterboarding_led_us_to_bin_laden.html
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• United States
3 May 11
King is lying, of course. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation... Standard Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation. Good old fashioned intelligence tradecraft led us to bin Laden.
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@Taskr36 (13924)
• United States
3 May 11
I think that this argument is like watching cops do the "Good cop/ Bad cop" routine and then saying "See, good cop worked, bad cop did not".
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
4 May 11
I was just thinking the same thing. I can just imagine him thinking...oh cr@p, not again...better tell them the truth.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
4 May 11
Found this on twitter tweeted by Michelle Malkin: Panetta tells NBC some info was obtained thru 'enhanced interrog techniques' such as waterboarding
@sam3m1 (190)
• United States
3 May 11
peter king is still trying to justify actions of the bush administration. zahouri (?) was waterboarded 183 times. which time did he give up the info.? and if he did, why wasn't it acted on? torture is non-productive for dependable information. apparently the morality of torture isn't a consideration. if it isn't, why isn't it? what kind of people are we becoming?
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@Taskr36 (13924)
• United States
3 May 11
"torture is non-productive for dependable information." See when people keep retelling that lie I think it hurts their case. If you're arguing on moral or legal grounds, use moral and legal arguments. Once people start claiming it's not effective, it appears that they are more concerned with effectiveness than the morals they claim to espouse. Regardless, waterboarding and enhanced interrogation works and has worked many times for many countries.
@sam3m1 (190)
• United States
3 May 11
i used the "effective" argument because it is true and because many people don't care about the morality. i don't have experience in torture. if i was being tortured, i'd give up any infomation to stop it. people (cia, etc.)indicate that information gotten from torture is at best unreliable, at its worst dangerous, while others say it does work. how in the world can you say waterboarding has worked? you don't have that information. if it worked all the time, every country would use it whenever it's needed, for any reason, and they'd make it legal.
• United States
3 May 11
That is probably the most used line in the entire debate: "I'd say anything to make it stop!" Of course. But... One: A person has it in their mind that the person interrogating them obviously wants the truth, not just the first thing to spew out of somebody's lips. It's psychological more than physical. Two: People in that position, waterboarding for example, know that they aren't simply free to leave once they say anything. The information has to be verified. Again, it's psychological. Yes. People will say anything to make it stop. But simply saying something doesn't make it stop. It's effective because it isn't going to stop until you tell the truth or give up something useful. It's being treated as if the terrorists are naughty children and the people interrogating them are shoddy parents, willing to believe the first excuse they're told. Wrong way to look at it. As far as working - nothing works every single time without fail. People focus too much on the method and choose to overlook one unavoidable (or at least you would think so) fact of the matter: We're dealling with brainwashed psychotics here, hell-bent on murdering the entire world's population! What would ever work 100% of the time? There's not a 100% reliable method to deal with basic car thieves or pot dealers. Folks expect there to be one for the upper echelon of evil the world has ever known?
@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
4 May 11
Well lets see water boarding is Torture we are currently engaged in a "War" so Geneva Convention anyone? I mean really even McCain said it was Torture and well he would be as close to an expert on what is and what isn't torture if he thinks it is then well it is. The United States can't complain when our soldiers are tortured in any number of ways as we are using this which is torture in many ways. Also it makes us no better than them we are on the equal level as they are and might as well be beheading them. I guess though all is fair and love and war so lets just do whatever we have to get the information no matter the cost and no matter the moral or ethical standing on it.
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@Taskr36 (13924)
• United States
5 May 11
First off, I've read the legal definition of torture and I've read all the details of the enhanced interrogation techniques used at GITMO. Based on that, I don't consider it torture, but obviously opinions can differ on that. As for the US complaining about our soldiers being tortured, that's pretty meaningless anyway. Our people have been tortured by pretty much every country we've been at war with since becoming the US. The Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, Afghanis, Japanese, etc. have all subjected our soldiers to horrible forms of torture far beyond pouring water over a wet rag on someone's mouth, or making them listen to Nine Inch Nails. Does anyone care? Of course not. Nobody did anything about it. Complaining didn't do anyone any good in those situations so I don't see why it would do any good now.
@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
5 May 11
Well the Legal definition and someone who was tortured for how many years exactly anyway wasn't waterboarding declared torture by the Congress during the Bush years?
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@urbandekay (18312)
3 May 11
The ends, however, do not justify the means all the best urban
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@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
5 May 11
Couldn't say it any better myself.
@Rollo1 (16685)
• Boston, Massachusetts
3 May 11
The interrogation of prisoners at Gitmo, waterboarding and other techniques definitely garnered the intel that made this possible. And so, it is important to remember that Obama campaigned against all those things that resulted in our victory.
@Taskr36 (13924)
• United States
3 May 11
Yup, he just sent those jobs overseas via rendition. Of course I'd swear he also pretended to be against sending jobs overseas. Hard to be clear in his web of hypocrisy.
• United States
3 May 11
We have to give President Obama a certain amount of credit for the killing of Obama bin Laden. He did it by keeping in place virtually all of George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” policies.
@anniepa (27240)
• United States
3 May 11
"He did it by keeping in place virtually all of George W. Bush’s “War on Terror” policies." Except, among other things, the part where Bush said he didn't worry about Bin Laden anymore... Annie
@stary1 (6622)
• United States
9 May 11
This is a very emotional topic. I don't think anyone wants to torture anyone ..but this extreme discomfort has given us credibal, useful information in the past. I think if it is very rare and used only to gain info to save innocents lives, it might be ok. We waterboard our own guys as part of their training.
@deebomb (15322)
• United States
3 May 11
You know these animals recruit young children and women to blow up other children and innocent people. So in my opinion they got off easy for what they did. Besides they could check out the information before going forward. It could have been a lot worse than water boarding. Now I'm not for torture for the sake of torture but some times we have to use what works as in this case it worked.
@o0jopak0o (6406)
• Philippines
3 May 11
Yes i have read some articles about this one. But that does not mean waterboarding is good. The outcome may or may be not different if they haven't used waterboarding.