Having your religion/beliefs challenged...how would you react?

@JenInTN (27514)
United States
June 12, 2011 6:31am CST
I will start by saying that I am a very open minded person. I was raised under a particular belief system like most everyone had been. I am taking a class right now called Hebrew and Christian Traditions. I can say that at the very least..it has caused people to be faced. Now this is not a Sunday school class by any means. It is the reading of the bible in a way most people are not used to reading it...we are analyzing it. OK..interesting class for sure, but there is someone in my class that is married to a preacher and she is not having an easy time of this class. There are times when she is almost in a panic when she responds to what the instructor points out. It is obvious she is being challenged. I am proud of her that she hasn't quit to be honest. So what about you? Are you reactive when your belief system is challenged or are you pretty open minded and secure? Are you willing to hear things that might challenge your beliefs or do you get out of there?
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
12 Jun 11
I love to be challenged. If I have the truth then I'm not afraid to be challenged. I am convinced that the Bible is the word of God. I feel that God is like the air. I can't see it and I can't touch it but I know what would happen if there was no air. Give us an example of something challenging that has come up in your discussion.
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• Philippines
12 Jun 11
Me too...I would love that my religion is being challenge because it's one way for me to share about my religion and perhaps help those people who need religious guidance.I really appreciate that you are open minded JenInTN.Keep it up!
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
13 Jun 11
Me??? i am not concentrated on one religion alone.... my religion is Roman Catholic in Faith my really believe in Tao (Yin and Yang) of Taoism as balance to all my way of life is Science i also believe in claims of Jehovah's Witnesses about Hell and Heaven i don't believe in bible observe what is useful reject what is useless add what is your own
@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
13 Jun 11
@ JenInTN... You are referring to 2 Samuel 6:3-8 when God struck Uzzah for his error or irreverent act. Let me ask you: What error did Uzzah commit?
@shibham (16977)
• India
12 Jun 11
Hi jen.. Perhaps you are well informed that i am atheist but i never mix religion with god. I have read almost all the holy books or their summaries of each religions as example... Vedas, Purans, Mahabharata, Ramayana. Bible, Quaran ae sharif, Quaran ae Manjil, Tripitak and many more.... I do try to follow some faiths and rituals of each and every religion. It does not mean that i only follow hinduism... never... i follow where i need to follow... may be from christianity or Islam. have a nice day.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
12 Jun 11
Hi shibham..I do remember that you are atheist. I think it is interesting to read without mixing..that is what this class is wanting us to do..analyze. It is a way that I have never really read before. I am by no means as well schooled as you are...but I have a great interest in learning about the different faiths. Have you found there are great similarities in the religions?
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
Thanks...I do have one question. In the Christian bibles, there are variations. Is it the same for the books of the other religious classifications you mentioned?
@shibham (16977)
• India
14 Jun 11
Hi jen.. There are many similarities among the religions but i dont like to share all here. You may send a PM if you need... here i am sharing only one. Every religion has classifications among the followers... like Hindu has Brahmin, Kshatriya, Baishya and Shudra..... Ismlam has Sheikh, Saiyad, Mogal and Pathan.... Christian has Roman cathelic and Protestant and Aelinkan and some others.... Jain has Swetambar and Digambar... Budhha has Hinyaan and Mahayaan.... Shikh has Jaath, Ajaath and Majahabi.... Zoroastrianism has Polisian, Bogomi, Catherist and Aalbegenis... These classifications consists two form... one form on religious believes and another form on freedom or rights on their own religion. have a nice day.
@idowrite72 (2213)
• United States
12 Jun 11
I am pretty open-minded about anything, including religion. There was one time that I "ran"!! I went to church with my sisters, and when I heard them tell me that THEIR church was the only true church, I decided that I didn't need to be there. I do believe that God allows us to practice our religions in the way in which we see fit, and not under only ONE set of beliefs or rules, or whatever you want to call it. I am not an overly religious person, but I do believe in God and I do try to follow the Bible and do what is right and wrong. But I also believe that there are different "houses" that God has allowed for our religious practices. Each of us should choose that which is most comfortable for us.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
15 Jun 11
That is where I think the problems some in. It is when people "claim." I think that people take something and make it what they want. When I found out that a man split from the Catholic church and he decided to leave certain books of the bible out..I was little irritated about that. I kept thinking why? Why was he able to decide? Who was he and was he supposed to have been divinely inspired? That has bugged me alot.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
I would have got out of there too...lol...it is never a good sign when there is a claim like that layed. It can often mean that members come to think of themselves that way and that is when you see the hypocrite factor start coming in to play..I hate that. I am a little funny about hell and brimstone churches too. I like to think more about the love than punishment. I have been to churched where they want to scare the fire out of you. I think that religion is something we have to be comfortable with too. Thanks for the response.
• Canada
14 Jun 11
idowrite72, I partly agree with you. There is an element of "different strokes for different folks." However, it should be obvious that not all religions can be right, there can't be no god (atheism and Buddhism), one indivisible God (Judaism and Islam), one god who has a complex unity of three persons (Christianity) and loads of gods (Hinduism). Jesus can't be the son and incarnation of God (Christianity) and just a prophet (Islam). Some religions, like Christianity and Islam claim to be the only correct way to God. Others, like Hinduism and Wicca claim that they are one of many paths. Most Christians will say that Baptists, Catholics, etc. are rather "different strokes for different folks" but religions like Islam and Hinduism are of Satan. I think Muslims will say similar things but their sects are always killing each other. Groups like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons claim that they are the only true church.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
12 Jun 11
I think this would be an interesting class. However the emotion that is bound to arrise in such a class might put me off. I believe and was taught that a person's faith is a thing never to be questioned. There is no right or wrong unless it causes harm, if it is harmfull there is usually a hidden agenda involved, greed, ego, power are the usual ones. This is not spirtual faith, but rather faith to fit one's human needs. As history shows us this faith can be very strong and has many time caused war and worse. Sometimes comming close to ending human life here on earth. A third world war might do that.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
I think that explains my own comfort level in the class too. It is super interesting and I have learned a lot..but as far as participation in class discussions, I am not near as vocal as I have been in the past. I hate the thought of offending anyone and sometimes I think the professor would actually like a good debate. I am not used to being in that position and it's not easy. I have always been cautious when speaking about politics or religion..now they want me to talk about it..LOL. Thanks for responding!
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
12 Jun 11
Hi JenInTN When we were being brought up, we did not have much of communal issues, terrorism and things like these. Their absence did allow us to remain in harmony and like you, my grandparents, parents, teachers always inculcated in respecting, understanding and even reading the holy books from other religions. I did read a few books they send out for free to unsertsand Christianity, Koran too during my school days. Talking good, visiting to the Holy places (Church, Mosque) was not taken as a bad thing for anyone and we were welcome too. Unfortunately, since the advent of Terrorism, Religion Based Politics etc these are now a days considered a taboo with many people who are orthodox. Luckily, as I mentioned, we have had a learning that made us liberal and like you I have no possessiveness towards my Religion or any other. I am open minded. I accept I do not follow the religion as it is these days, and maybe this has helped. For the other beleifs, at times I do not appreciate them being ridiculed or made fun of (but that in only when the ones which are quite personal get the beating). My being open minded, and being open to accepting things positively helps here... but yes, I must add - how the thing is put across - I mean the tone - plays an important factor on my accepting it positively or negatively. A great discussion as always
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
Hi thesids! Thanks! I think that being open minded and respectful is a wonderful trait. The thing that I have noticed is that although religions have different names and books, there are certain things that bind them. One...a higher power and two...there is more than the world we see here. I think they also promote kindness and love. I do know there are extremists everywhere and that can make it hard for people that aren't familiar with whatever religion the extremist has acted in the name of afraid...but an extremist certainly doesn't represent the entire religion. As far as the challenge..I do think there is a difference in a challenge and an attack. I am glad the professor is challenging versus attacking..it really opens the door to learn new things. Thanks for the response!
• United States
12 Jun 11
I guess I've always been passively reactive, absorbing ideas into my homemade faith, instead of railing against challenges. I was confronted with different religions at a young age and it made me want to be more fluid in my religious thinking. Of course this means I miss out on some of the centering ritual that keeps the truly faithful focused within their respective religions, but I find it easy to get along with more people and live a fairly stress-free life. I maintain the deepest respect for those who are genuinely passionate about their own religion and those who endure great trials to maintain their faith. It sounds like your classmate is enduring a test now and I would tell her, as I hope her husband has, that faith can calm you. She needs to let her beliefs envelope her in a clamness instead of being focused on defensive reactions. I know how non-Christian teachers, particuarly in colleges, like to tear down the Judeo-Christian walls their students in the Western world tend to have. I wish her luck and strength.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
The professor has been very careful to conceal his personal beliefs. On some occasions I think he is faithful and then others..I'm not so sure. He is presenting both sides and I think that is important too. I like the fact he's challenging versus attacking. I think my classmate is going through a bit of a trial. She's hanging in there though. Thanks for the response!
@buenavida (9985)
• Sweden
12 Jun 11
I would welcome a challenge if it comes from someone who is sincere and wants to know why I believe in the way I do. There is no reason to be afraid of the truth, and when people of different religions can talk with each other without attacking each other personally or attacking the religion of each other, then all can learn something! There is one way to make a frustrated person calm down, if they get too fanatic or angry. We can just tactfully ask them what makes them believe in that way, what proof they have found for their belief. If they have no proof, and they are honest, they might listen to what we have to say. But it is always important to stay calm, tactful and friendly and listen and respect them, even if we don´t agree with what they say. Whatever people think, the truth does never change. If we want to know the truth, we cannot be afraid of searching for it and we have to do it without prejudices, even if the things we find are not what we have been taught earlier. Wish you happy searching, Jen..
@buenavida (9985)
• Sweden
13 Jun 11
If we follow the prophecies in the Bible, especially chapter 2 in Daniel, we can see that we are living during the last human governments. The next government will be God´s Kingdom that will bring peace to all the earth and men and women like Job and all his children - all 20 - will come back - then we will have a chance to ask them about how they feel about what happened. What we need to do now is to learn as much as we can about what we can do to survive the big change and live that time. There are many thing I would like to ask Job and his family and the other persons in the Bible. This may sound like a fantasy but if you read the 2nd chapter in Daniel and ask God for guidance, you will see that it is for real. Why not follow jw.org and watchtower.org and see the new information that will come there this summer? I guess you will have a visit by someone of the witnesses with an invitation to a talk about this subject.. Why not go and listen if you can!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
Thanks so much for the response. I think it is nice to be openminded too. There is so much to learn from each other. I love an easy conversation, but like anyone else, I wouldn't want to feel attacked. The class is very interesting and I really feel like I have learned alot. I'm still not feeling good about the Job book..but I am trying..lol. Thanks for responding.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
One of the things that the professor touches on is Daniel. He claims that Daniel was wrote for the people during that time. At the time, the people were being oppressed by a king. They were forbidden to practice their relgion and the king was trying to force them to follow the greek religions. It was a book about what was going to happen to the kingdom they were living in at that time. There are some wonderful passages in psalms and proverbs to bring comfort though. I might have to check those websites out...thanks!
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@choybel (5042)
• Philippines
12 Jun 11
I once dropped my English class because my Muslim instructor always started our class by pointing out errors he sees with regards to Christianity. I really felt violated and thought how unfair it was for me because I was holding my temper all the time. It was my first class of the day, I had to wake up early to attend that class, and one day I had enough and dropped it. I wanted to defend my side but I knew I didn't know much and would probably end up humiliating myself in front of the whole class. Besides, I always had this rule to myself not to engage in such discussions because I know how hot it can get and that I am not equipped with enough knowledge to debate and defend my end.
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@choybel (5042)
• Philippines
13 Jun 11
Yes, that is what it was, an attack and truly I would have said things I would be regretting later if not for self-control. If it was for the purpose of learning, I would have been more than obliged to input some of the knowledge I have. Oh well, I hope I never get to have another class under that professor again.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
I wouldn't like that either. I think there is a difference in a challenge and an attack. Anyone would close up and be defensive if they felt attacked. I do like that about my professor..he doesn't make us feel attacked and gives us both sides. I am not used to discussing religious subject either...like you..I know how passionate and heated they can become. I do enjoy learning and easy conversation about it..but that is rare. Thanks for the input!
@celticeagle (159008)
• Boise, Idaho
12 Jun 11
I think hearing things that challenge our beliefs is healthy. It is just that. Challenging. I am an agnostic but both my daughter and my granddaughter believe in God. This woman that you speak of. I hope she is open to it all and keeps the challenge alive. Doesn't let her husband re evoke anything in her. That would be sort of sad. I would enjoy taking such a class. I have so many questions.
@celticeagle (159008)
• Boise, Idaho
13 Jun 11
A class like this might be just what I need.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
I have a lot of questions too and I have been like a sponge in this class. There is so much that disputes and supports the hebrew/christian religion that it is unreal. It is a class that analyzes the bible like one would any other book. It had really clarified a few things for me. The woman in my class is pretty set in her belief. Anytime there is info that makes her uncomfortable..you can tell it. Thanks for the responding!
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
13 Jun 11
I am an open minded person in terms of religion. Because that is one of the important lesson being made. The bible say everything what we need even the way on how we are save on judgement day...
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
17 Jun 11
Sure..feel free to ask.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
It can be very important and there is so much to learn. Thanks for the response.
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
17 Jun 11
Yup!Since you have a bible lesson. May I ask you something?
• United States
13 Jun 11
A challenge is just another form of a question and I handle it as such..As to being open minded, inasmuch as I will listen to find out wherefrom the challenge comes because how can I answer without knowing what's on the other person's mind? But I will not compromise my faith.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
I think there can be challege without compromise. I think that there is alot to learn and when you think about it, most religions are based on a higher power and rules of conduct when engaging with people. There is also a difference between a challenge and an attack. Thanks for the response.
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
13 Jun 11
life is full of challenges, if there is no challenges then there is no life.... if your religion is true, then you are not afraid to be challenged.... that religion who challenged you has a missing part and that is the reasons why they want to know your answer to their religions missing part in verbal, they claim that their religion is perfect.... but in action, they have a missing part... why? because there is no religion that is perfect... that is the reason why: observe what is useful reject what is useless add what is your own
@CTHanum (8234)
• Malaysia
13 Jun 11
hi Jen! I am a muslim and I can't say that I am really an open minded person. I read about other religions and their concepts too as I think it is good to know other religions as well as my additional knowledge. I can accept if people say they are right and I never say that I am always right while you are wrong but I can't accept if they say or make statement about my religion wrongly. I think it is normal to correct the wrong assumptions made by other people about yourself. Same goes to religion. When someone simply say the wrong thing about my religion and they never do any research on it just send a blunt opinions I think I should give some response to that~ There are some things I can't tolerate with those people. Anyway I am a nice girl. Don't be afraid of me~
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
You bring up a good point! People are afraid of what they don't understand. There are extremists in every religion but that certainly doesn't mean that everyone within that is. Unfortunately the things people are exposed to or the things that are focused on are the extreme measures or the negatives..sometimes being the only thing they know about another's religion. It's not fair to either person and a challenge...not an attack...can actually educate one another. Thanks for the input and I'm sure you are a nice girl.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
That is very true. If I have question..I usually ask..but with the up most respect. I want to learn. I don't ever want to be afraid of what I don't understand or let the media control how I feel about people. Even though there are differences in people and what they believe..love is love no matter what language it is said in.
@CTHanum (8234)
• Malaysia
14 Jun 11
You make things clear. That is what I mean~ Nowadays people like to make their own thinking and assumptions about other religions without even ask for more details from the right person. I don't blame anyone I just want them to know that sometimes the one who claim to be open-minded person is not actually real open because if they are really so they will not questioned anything about others. But they are the one who strongly against others. I am very sad when they blame the religion for any bad things happen in a community. No religion teach their people to do bad things~
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
14 Jun 11
Well done, Jen - you have quite a discussion going here! I think it's wonderful that you have taken the trouble to learn more about the faith in which you were raised & is followed in a big way by the community in which you live. What do all the people in you life think about your studies? I was emailing someone from TN many years ago who took similar classes to you & this was very much frowned upon, sadly. I hope it works out well for you. I was raised Lutheran, fairly strictly, & it has run in our family for countless generations, probably traceable right back to the reformation! Anyway, I've read (& written!) widely on the subject, from a historical, archeological, literal, theological, etc points of view. There is literally tons of the stuff! I envy you taking a class on it - sounds more motivating than just reading through our own filters & taking in the bits we like! So I'm very interested in exactly what you are being taught - sounds quite exciting! You can respond to my discussions anytime. Have they covered the topics of Biblical Criticisms? Allegory? Dan Brown's works? Mistranslations? Archeological findings that both support & blow the living daylights out of the Bible? The works of some of the greatest theologians in history? For myself, I see a unity in all religions. All are from God & all point to the truth. People are entitled to chose whatsoever they feel comfortable with, what fits in with their family or community beliefs or nothing at all. But they should not be sold short. They should learn for themselves instead of being content with what the local minister says or what their parents believe. We should then learn about other religions so we can see things from other people's perspectives & integrate more with people & understand them. This world needs more unity whilst maintaining personal freedom. I find it a good judge of character to discuss these sorts of topics with people in a non-threatening way & see how they respond, though I think no less of them as we are all at different stages of learning & different paths at that. I'm always up for a challenge - the more I'm polished, the more I shine!
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
Hi veganbliss! There are certainly people in my area..alot of people in my area..that would not approve of the things being taught in the class I am taking. If they took the class, I think they might actually be faced with some pretty important issues though. Yes..those are exactly the kinds of things we are being presented with, but he is presenting us with certain truths as well. I have found the comparison to babylonian religion and the Hebrew Christian bible stories very interesting. Kind of makes you wonder. I know that the babylonians had a story identical to the story of Noah's ark with nothing more changed than the names. I also see a unity in all religions. Love means the same thing no matter what language it is said in. The higher power can have a different name too depending on what language he is being called from. I love to discuss different religions and customs too. I think it does give us a greater understanding of the while scheme of things. I will take you up on your offer to join some of your discussions..I am flattered by the invite. Thanks for responding!
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• Adelaide, Australia
14 Jun 11
Yes, agreed, I have encountered these also - we're definitely on the same page.
@mantis36 (4219)
• Philippines
13 Jun 11
absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is your own.... i am: 1. Roman Catholic in Religion 2. Tao (Yin, Yang) Balance to all 3. Science is a way of life i also believe in Jehovah's Witnesses about explanation on Hell and Heaven
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jun 11
Hi mantis! Great to see you stop in. I can't say that we have touched on the Jehovah's Witnesses explanation on heaven and hell...would you mind telling me what it is? I would really like to hear it.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Jun 11
I read some very interesting passages in Ecclesiastes tonight that kind of give a different meaning to the afterlife and "heaven and hell." It touches on a few of the points you made in the Jehovah's Witness belief of it. Thanks for being so detailed!
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
29 Jun 11
Personally I am one who likes to stand up for what I believe in and know there can be so many others out there who might want to challenge me for sure. In today's world there will be so many beliefs, and no two people usually will agree, but to have someone come forth and want to challenge things could be on their best behalf as well. Because when you are just willing to always just accept anything you hear, you'll never know what you truly believe.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
2 Aug 11
I think Jesus was a challenger, he was always telling his disciples no to take things "as they come" but think on what they mean and why they are like they are, not to simply do what we are told but what we feel in our heart. So I think Jesus would love to be in that class, even if some of the Bible tellings get challenged. I am always challenging my own thoughts and I think that this make them stronger.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
5 Aug 11
I am one that likes to know and think things through too. I think you have a nice way of looking at a challenge. Thanks for responding.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Jun 11
I'm more than willing to hear about other religions and beliefs, in fact, I love to learn about them however, when challenged, I come unglued! I don't like being challenged in this way. I don't mind others believing in what they believe as long as they don't push it on me. Now I have been challenged a time or two only for the person to back off because I let her know that I know what I believe in and I'm no saint but what wrong I do doesn't change my beliefs. I haven't been challenged by her since!
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
29 Jun 11
I am ok with a challenge...as long as it is not an attack. I like to hear things that make me think but I don't like to hear something like "they are right and I am wrong"..lol. There are some that are not at all open to the beliefs of others but I do still try and be respectful. I am open to learning too. Thanks for responding.
• Philippines
17 Jun 11
I'd like a challenge every now and then when it comes to my faith and religion. I like it when people ask question why we practice what we practice. I try to keep an open mind. I try to understand other people's beliefs as much as I can and in the process I also try to challenge them. The thing is, it is very difficult for other people to respect our beliefs as well, not as much as my respect for their faith. I try to listen to arguments when it comes to religion and when I join a particular discussion of religious interests and beliefs, I try to make it as diplomatic as possible because sometimes, we tend to get carried away, especially if the other person is not as open-minded as I am.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
17 Jun 11
Yes..a discussion with someone that is very passionate can be challenging in itself. I think it's ok to be passionate about a belief, but I don't think it is ok to make another feel less because of theirs. There is a lot to learn about each other. To be honest I am very cautious when discussion religion. I know that it can become heated. Thanks for the response.
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
17 Jun 11
it depends on the situation. As long as that challenge is in a respectful way I will not have any problem dealing with it. Like my Protestant Husband asking things about the Catholic Church as I am Catholic. If I am attacked cause of my faith its a different story. Most of the time I will just walk away.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
17 Jun 11
I agree that there is a difference in a challenge and an attack. No one reacts well to things they are passionate about when they feel attacked. Thanks for the input!
@Rick1950 (1575)
• Lima, Peru
12 Jul 11
Well, you can be open minded, but you may be in danger of relativism, beacuse this point of view consider everything is good, or that all religions are equally good. I believe relativism causes disorder because everything is accepted as normal and valid. In Vatican II, the Catholic Church adopted a position closer and tolerant towards other religions. Since then he has tried an interfaith dialogue to find meeting points. That's a very difficult task. To the Hebrews is only valid the Torah, the Pentateuch, which are the five first books of the Bible. For Christians apply Old and New Testament. The Mass also reads the Pentateuch. For us Christians the Jews are our elder brothers. I find good to learn about other religions and traditions. I think so one more would be strengthened his own belief.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
13 Jul 11
I like learning about other religions too. There is a certain amount of "disorder" that can come from being open to other religions but it take one outside of their "box." I think that a mind grows when it is taken out of it's comfort zone sometimes...not that it needs to be changed..just opened. Thanks for the response.
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