Ban private schools to improve public education? Great or nasty idea?

@Awinds (2468)
United States
August 8, 2011 7:05pm CST
It is no secret that public education in the United States is, well, in serious trouble. An education activist in California suggest that private schools be banned. His reasoning? If the top ten percent were forced to send their kids to public schools, you can bet they would be pressuring the system to improve. And since they are rich and influential, the system would improve. In the UK, there is a movement to ban private schools as well. From what I can tell the reason is that private schools create inequality and greater separation of the social classes. There are a few problems with banning private schools. First it would take away choice. Second, it would add more strain to a system already tight on money. Third, if the sorry state of public education has something to do with the students (e.g. unmotivated students), then adding more won't help. What do you think? Would the banning of private education be effective? Would it fix public education? Or would there be severe consequences to such a ban?
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• United States
9 Aug 11
It will not work. Why? If you have enough money , you can and will just not send your kids to a public school . You would just get one of the now laid off teachers to tutor their kids at home. So the schools will remain lousy. if you have enough money you can circumvent Any rule!and even if you are middle classed you can opt to home school your child. I know if I had children they would have tutors . No way in Hell would I willingly send a child I love to public school!
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Outlaw homeschooling and some private schools in Canada will be very happy. Anyway, I agree. Money is the ultimate pass. Where I live, the public schools have the second worst math scores (for all grade levels) in the country. My parents sent me to a private school for the later years of high school. I am so glad that they did!
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• United States
9 Aug 11
It was the reverse with me. I was born Pennsylvania and because of the state of the public schools , my mom put me in private school from Nursery school til 2nd grade. Then we moved to Virginia. The schools were good so I went to public school.i didn't get the hang of it until my junior year . This is why there is no way I would send any child to public school! Back in my day , there wasn't a No child Left behind B.S. I'm not sure if my mom knew how my school ranked . What I Do know is that she was proud of her B average daughter.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
So you are one of the lucky ones - before the political tsunami hit education. :)
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 Aug 11
It would take away choice. Many send their children to private schools because then want their children to gain a greater knowledge of their religion. Only allowing children to attend public schools would mean that they are now in a system where even reading a bible might be banned. Not everyone can afford to stay at home and teach their children at home. It is not about the separation of various classes and that the rich can afford private schools and the poor cannot (there are after all scholarship), it is about secularism. To fix public education, make sure to hire only teachers that show an interest in teaching. That would help. I think this is an attack on Christianity.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
10 Aug 11
I think the public school policy is atheism. And the reason they want to ban private schools is that most of them are Christian. I suspect it is not the private schools per say that they are against, but what is taught in the private schools. They do not want God to be first place, just the government. Yes and there is the 'give a man an inch and he will take a mile," so if they ban private schools, they might decide to ban home schools, and then maybe go to bookstores and make sure they do not sell religious schools, maybe go as far as to make sure that only parents who have their children in public schools be allowed to shop at stores, etc. I do not know if that will happen, but once you start down on a bad path, anything can happen.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
People don't like to admit it but the public schools do teach a philosophy. Parents shouldn't be forced to have their kids learn that philosophy. If they ban private schools then where will they stop? To take away choice in one area is to open to open the door to taking away all choice.
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@wigima5 (904)
• United States
9 Aug 11
I think this isn't a communist country, and if schools want to have private schools they have that RIGHT. A lot of private schools are created because maybe they are religious, for one thing. Religion is not taught at public schools. If a family is religious, they want their child taught religion. Why should this be tossed aside because they are forced to go nowhere else besides private school? We already have public schools for free, families do not need to struggle to scrape up money to educate at least one child in their family (as is often the case in other countries). So besides not offering certain programs, oftentimes public schools are more relaxed in certain respects. Ie: Allowing tattoos, hair dying, skimpy clothing. I personally went to public school, and I like it. But many people do not want having their kids around these influences, or seeing some girls dressing very innapropriate, as they often do in school. But, that is their choice. If they want more choice, send them to a public school. If the public schools want to get better, make some laws for THEM, not control other people's choices and destroy other schools. Most leading colleges in this nation are privately owned: Brown, Harvard, Yale, Boston University, etc etc. the list goes on and on. all these places are fine institutions where both rich and middle class go. And there are both advantages to private and public schools. Honestly, in this day and age, the whole class thing is ridiculous. Yes, there is a class difference. But, it's only like 10% of all of society that's rich, and we never see them. They run things, but we do not see them on a day to day basis. And there is no oppression by them. Face it, this country is ruled by the middle class and lower class. Television shows, media, products in stores, clothing, everything is aimed towards the middle and lower classes. Unless you go to an elite upper class shop somewhere, things are affordable and aimed towards us. Basically, the classes are pretty equal. And yes, about the money issue. This is ridiculous.
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• United States
9 Aug 11
You make an excellent point about the religious factor, Wigima. Many people realize and are familiar with Catholic schools, but the Amish and Mennonites also have schools within their communities. I would suspect that they would be considered "private schools", even though I do not think that they have to pay a tuition to attend them, although I am not entirely sure about that. The schools are a part of their culture, and these children would not do well in public schools not to mention the fact that their parents would probably not allow them to attend public school due to their beliefs.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
It is not like we are living in the medieval era of "slaves to the land" serfs, warring nobles and absolute kings. I also agree that class isn't much of an issue anymore. Maybe in the 18th and 19th centuries, but this is now the 21st century. There is always a danger in taking away choice: you ban one kind of schooling and then where do you stop?
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@Ramsesxlll (1431)
• Finland
9 Aug 11
Here in Finland we have no private schools, and if we are to believe the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) studies, it hasn't done us any harm link for PISA on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment The reason why there aren't any private schools in Finland is because we used to be so poor after (also before) Russia (Soviet Union) had attacked us with 10 million men (+ artillery + tanks + equipment + air forces), and we were about 4,5 million inhabitants overall (no weapons, no equipment, no air forces, no artillery, no tanks, no money to buy any of them neither). We survived though, and managed to keep our independency (from which we Finnish people are VERY proud), even though we had to give them some land (+ we technically lost the war). Anyway... How could Finland, one of the poorest countries of Europe (at the time) become the first one in school? It's still a mystery even for me P.S. Finnish kids (students/pupils) are also the ones that behave the worst in the world
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• Finland
9 Aug 11
Maybe... Or maybe the culture is thicker than blood? (Blood - genes) Btw... That "knack for rising to the top despite insurmountable odds" is called "sisu". The word doesn't exist in any other language than Finnish. One word that is somewhat close to it in English is "persistence".
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Maybe it's the genes? Apparently the Finnish have a knack for rising to the top despite insurmountable odds. :D
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@CTHanum (8234)
• Malaysia
9 Aug 11
If the rich has money to send the children to private school then they may do so. For me private schools has nothing to do with the public. If they can offer better education to the students that is a great thing and about students in public school if they found that the public can't help much then blame the authority or the school organisation for not providing them a good education. If its all about money and only then they will give extra to the students then I will say that it's better for the parents to send their children to private than public school. So banning the private schools is not a good solution to overcome the problem. As we said that education is everyone rights the school should provide good service regardless how much it would cost.(^^)
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@CTHanum (8234)
• Malaysia
9 Aug 11
That is true!(^^)
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Competition can inspire schools do to better. I think the public schools should work on improving rather than complaining about the private schools. :)
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@alizee08 (10)
• Philippines
9 Aug 11
in my opinion, that idea is just nasty a little. Cause we cant avoid from procastination of students to another . We could say that public education can be improved but that doesnt mean that we need to ban the private school. Private schools are needed to discipline the student well. Much of that private school is the reason why half of population in the United States are interested to go to school. Well hope i gave some idea :D
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
So both are necessary, eh? :)
@dawnald (85130)
• Shingle Springs, California
9 Aug 11
Huh, well it might fix up the schools in the better neighborhoods...
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Maybe - a plan so drastic though should be built on more than just if's. :)
@celticeagle (158738)
• Boise, Idaho
9 Aug 11
Well, if the preliminaries are all it takes then it wouldn't actually go to the adding more strain and tight on money. If the rich and influential get wind of this they would probably get things started very quickly and get all of it straightened out. So you problems are over! haha
@celticeagle (158738)
• Boise, Idaho
10 Aug 11
You might be right.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
10 Aug 11
I doubt a plan like Mr. California suggested would actually make it past the rich people. :)
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• United States
9 Aug 11
I think that banning private schools is not a good idea. I saw someone mention that it would increase unemployment, but I do not think that would be the case. The teachers from the private schools would probably get jobs in the public schools as there would be an increased need for teachers with the influx of students. I also saw overcrowding listed as a reason, but I don't necessarily think that would be as much of a problem as people think, either. There have been numerous public schools that have been closed due to lack of students, which has actually lead to some of the overcrowding ... there are not enough students to warrant the added cost of having the extra school open and running but there are too many for the remaining schools to function properly. If there were more students, then the schools that were closed could just be reopened, and that might solve the overcrowding issue. I know that it sounds like I am arguing for private schools to be banned, but really I am not. I think that there is a need for private schools. It seems that many people equate private schools with higher intelligence. That is not necessarily the case. I do believe that children with higher abilities should be able to go to a school more focused on their abilities, especially if they can afford to pay for it. However, there are already programs in public schools that are specifically aimed at "above average" or "gifted" students, so they do not necessarily need private schools to address their educational needs. Children with special needs, on the other hand, do not have the same kinds of programs. Yes, there are some programs for them in public schools, but many of these programs really do not address their educational needs in a way that will allow them to excel to the best of their ability. There are private schools that will address their learning and/or behavioral issues in a way that will allow them to learn in their own way and at their own level. I think that these students are the best reason for private schools, because the private schools give them a better opportunity to become productive members of society, and I believe that everyone is entitled to have this opportunity.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
That is a great point: targeted private schools do indeed hold a place. They fill what the public schools lack. Also, since public schools are the main sector in education, they must focus on a lot of student types. Of course they are going to overlook a special segment of students. It's not right but it does happen.
@ebuscat (5935)
• Philippines
9 Aug 11
For me I think no because if they can afford to in private why they get in public?.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
It is a matter of prestige. I doubt many of the upper crust would accept such a plan. :)
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@megamatt (14292)
• United States
9 Aug 11
No it wouldn't really make any difference. The people who don't care, still won't in fact care. The teachers will still be underpaid, the schools will be forced into this mechanical way of education that is really counterproductive to a lot of free thinking. The state of public education has absolutely little to do with the students but still throwing more students into the fire won't really help, as support is really spread too thin to begin with. The consequences will be ugly to say the very least. More or less, the rich would make sure that private schools would never be banned if they had any kind of influence to really make a different. They are just going to let those who are not fortunate enough to afford a private school to rot and they wouldn't ever allow such a thing to really occur. The problems of public education are something that cannot be solved with banning private schools.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
I agree - the problem of public education is within the system. Trying to find a solution from the outside isn't going to help. Trying to burden the system more won't help either.
• Philippines
9 Aug 11
I don't see the point of banning private schools. Granted, I was schooled in private schools for majority of my educational life but that was the preference of my parents and I as a dutiful daughter, believe that they would never lead me ashtray. They didn't. Aside form that, I don't get how banning these type of school is going to improve the system of education. The eduction system is different from coutnry to coutnry and it has its own distinct characteristics. If people are sending their kids to private schools, they must have a good reason - which is often parents wanting the best for their children. If the government band private schools, it would certainly cross with the interests of parents as well as students. Also, I don't see the sense of improving the system by any measure of force. The system is a reflection of the government effort on education, which means if the system fails then somebody in a governemnt position is doing something wrong. Foisting the blame on people who can afford and those who could not isn't the solution. Also, public schools are haven of problems - like mismanagement, allocation of funds and so on. Some of these problems are alleviated in the private school setting. Why give everybody a problem if there is a lesser and better choice? Private school isn't perfect and has its own advantages and enrolling in one is a risk just as much as enrolling in a public school. I also wonder if the public school system is ready for such measure. Accommodating the student population from private schools will be a strain to the system and perhaps will be another source of problem. The private system works and if the public system needs solutions, it should come from within and not outside of the system. For me, the educational system's problems are already bad. For that guy who offered this option, please don't make it worse.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
That is a good point - adding more may just make things even worse. There would be more to mismanage and funds would have to be stretched even further. There is also the fact that the public school crowd might bring the students from the private schools down to their level - which of course would add to the problem. I agree that reforming public education should come from the inside. That is where the problem is so deal with it there. Trying to draw on the outside will only cover and prolong the problem.
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• India
9 Aug 11
I agree public education system needs to be improved, but in my opinion banning private schools will not solve the problem. This is because public schools alone cannot meet the demand. We always can have better monitoring of private schools in order to achieve the objectives. Something like public private partnership can be worked out where all the concrened parties involved are benefitted.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Very true. I was just thinking that if such a law was passed, the rich would just send their kids to schools overseas. That would of course only make the problem worse. Do you think there should be more public schools to meat the demand? Or should we try to improve what we have? :)
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@madden12 (81)
• United States
9 Aug 11
It sounds like a good theory, but I don't think any conservative American politician would go for it. The debate would go something like this: School Board: Banning private schools would bring smarter students into schools and would raise the threshold for public school education. More money is something that the schools need to improve the quality of education. Republicans (Shaking fists) You pesky government, you stay out of my life, I don't care if it does raise some important points we could talk about. School Board and Democrats: Motion dropped. I really don't mean to rag on conservatives as their viewpoint is just as valid as others, but I could imagine it happening like that. At worst, that looks like a great comedy in the making. Life imitating art (:
• United States
9 Aug 11
There is only one problem that I see with both of your theories. You are going on the premise that private schools = smarter students. That is not necessarily the case. Private schools = higher income (or else they would not be able to afford the tuition for the private school), but having more money does not necessarily equal having a higher intelligence.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
Feel free to express your opinions! :) One question though: isn't it possible that the majority (current students in public schools) might pull the minority (those in private schools) done to their level and thus we would be back at square one again?
• United States
10 Aug 11
Thanks Awinds! Lol. It is essentially our political system these days though. It is unfortunate that those in power don't really talk, they just point fingers and stick to talking points.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
9 Aug 11
hi awinds Ithinkits a bad idea as children that are gifted seldom get the challenges they need in most public schools thare are frankly geared to the normal c average child who is in the middle of the IQ range while children who are bright are often bypassed. some private schools are for the 'kids who are way ahead of the others and are bored sick in the ordinary class room.All private schools are not just for the rich but for average families whose children are gifted. WE sent our son to a private sh ool for the gifted with vouchers and he blossomed. we were able with a grant to take advantage of a school that challenged him to learn by not holding him back. leave privates schools be as they are not the problem at all.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
That's a great story from your own experience! It sounds like your son really benefited. :) That is an excellent case for, as you say, leaving the private schools alone.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
9 Aug 11
I was going to say that banning private schools would just be the public schools screaming "come give us your money richer folk!". I feel like private schools are needed. They offer a bit of... Properness that public schools don't, offer more... more education really. Not only because of the money the parents pay in, but because the classrooms are smaller. Now if they'd make it easier for students to get in.. some sort of scholarship.. it'd be better.
@scheng1 (24650)
• Singapore
9 Aug 11
That is a very stupid idea. The decline in public schools is due to the mismanagement of fiscal and monetary policies. If the government spends as much on education as on waging wars, even normal students can top the world in Maths and Science. The success of Asian countries shows that government commitment is necessary to the success of education. It is not a matter of forcing the rich to send their children to private schools.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
It does same like ignoring the real root of the problem doesn't it? :)
@zerd87 (301)
• Philippines
9 Aug 11
It is a bad idea to ban private schools. The economic impact may tell. Lots of teachers will lost their job and maybe lots of students who has money will go to other school outside the state. It is not good idea to ban the private schools. Public or private school is not the problem. The problem maybe the teaching strategies and the system of the public schools.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
That is a great point! The last thing we want to do right now is add even more to the unemployment rate.
@huilichan8 (1378)
• Singapore
9 Aug 11
Where I come from, private schools are not necessarily for those who are rich. In fact, private schools here are usually for the academically-weaker students who could not pass their 'O' levels, for instance. The quality of education in a local private school is also not comparable with that in a public school. So I would say, close down those private schools that are sub-standard.
@Awinds (2468)
• United States
9 Aug 11
The situation is the opposite here in the States. Private schools are where the teachers and students of reputation go. However, in the situation you mentioned, closing down the private schools might be a good idea. It might get the higher quality public schools to take on the issue of academically weaker students.