I see America so divided politically I wonder if we can ever come together.

@stary1 (6622)
United States
September 18, 2011 3:38pm CST
Whether you are American or just follow our politics I wonder if anyone has any great ideas to overcome the divisions. The left and right both think they are correct..and the anger and rage against each other seems to be escalating. I was hoping Obama could bring people together, just as I hoped Bush could do the same. It seems there is even more division under Obama though we had so much under GW. It's really sad and a little scary
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
18 Sep 11
You have to see the theory of each party. For instance the left seems to think that those who are wealthy (and no one knows what they consider as wealthy) to give what they make to those who are not. In fact, here in Canada letters to the editor who are for instance labourers, who say why they do not make the same money as someone who is a doctor. We then have the right who feel that you have to work hard to get where you are, and should not take money from anyone. What one realizes is that some people need help, but it is not one hundred percent. What Obama is doing is creating a class war where those who are poor and especially those who are black should get money from the rich. And that ethnicity rather then ability should determine who is on top. Obama ins entrenched in his socialist views and unlike Clinton who went towards the middle, seems unable to change.
@stary1 (6622)
• United States
18 Sep 11
I also see Obama as more a socialist. I really think he means well and don't agree with those who say he is harming the country intentionally, but ultimatly does it matter if the harm was done on purpose or by mistake..the harm remains.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
18 Sep 11
He sounds like a communist to me. I remember the Cold War and the leaders in the Kremlin were living high off the hog as well as the KGB . They got the best apartments, the best food, etc. while everyone else was lining up for whatever was left. If someone is just a socialist, he will try to tone down, perhaps not go on as many trips, sacrifice not just when the cameras are on him. I think he is also short sighted in that he cannot change his views. He seems stuck on what he does and he feels what he is doing is riight. This is no mistake. This is deliberate.
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@stary1 (6622)
• United States
19 Sep 11
There are some statements from him that do indeed sound Marxist...his need to redistribute wealth is not a positive. I am all for helping those who need help and expect everyone who prospers to pay their fair share, but there is a limit to what the higher wage earners should pay. They need to have money to reinvest and create jobs through small businesses and that way the economy will grow more quickly..in my opinion
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• United States
19 Sep 11
I think that all members of the American government, or who are paid by the American government, should have mandatory cognitive therapy, and assertive communication classes. This way, they would learn to overcome all of their distorted thinking styles, and learn to communicate more effectively with each other. They should also learn have to learn collaborative problem solving skills, and essential learning skills in the realm of flexibility and frustration management. As a matter of fact, I feel these are things that everyone should learn!
@bagarad (13032)
• Paso Robles, California
19 Sep 11
Unfortunately, aside from age and citizenship, there are few, if any qualifications for holding political office. One doesn't even have to pass a test on the Constitution they are swearing to uphold or demonstrate a knowlege of American history we used to require for naturalization. It's the same with voters. So illiterate people can vote for other close to illiterate people to represent them in Congress, and most of these have been indocrinated in public schools to more socialist views. They haven't an inkling of how our system works or what the Constitution, as the law of the land, says. They just want what they want. Their representatives get elected by promising them what they want, and not many are looking beyond that to the big picture of the survival of the country. Our representatives in Congress won't even read bills before voting on them. Most probably wouldn't be able to understand them if they tried. They rely on others telling them what the bills say. Often these bills have names that are really opposite of what the bills actually do, so that if someone doesn't vote for a "clean water" act, he can be accused of wanting polluted water, even if the bill doesn't do much to effectively address clean water and, instead, puts money in the hands of companies who had persistent lobbyists and who gave politicians donations.
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• United States
19 Sep 11
True. politics is a very dirty game, played by dirtier people. It's all about what will make them look best, so they can get re-elected. When it all boils down, it's about one thing. Money. But that was the only solution I could come up with... we are in conflict, because we are not properly educated on how to resolve it. Learning simple methods of communication, and avoiding distorted views would help tremendously. So would learning how to be flexible and cope with frustration in a productive manner. It pains me to see these debates where the candidates tear each other down, and nit pick over issues that could be compromised if they actually tried to do so. There is way too much emphasis on the fact that they are "opposing sides", and it become more about which side is right rather than how the issue can be effectively resolved.
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@stary1 (6622)
• United States
19 Sep 11
zionsphere & bagarad Periodically I hear suggestions of making certain qualifications mandatory to hold office and even to vote. Great ideas..but this will unfortunately, as you both know, never happen.
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@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
18 Sep 11
Division is the spice of politics and will always exist. Compromise has always been a part of country. Even the US Constitution is a compromise. It may seem like there hasn't been a time when the country was more divided, but that is simply not the case. The biggest division was the Civil War. Now that was a time when the country was truly divided on the political realm. But it is when a time of crisis hits the country that things come together. So even though there are some pretty loud voices on either side, the truth is that the country really isn't as divided as it sounds to be. Congress is still going to compromise to get things passed. It is the way our system works and will continue to work. The country will survive President Obama's presidency. It has survived bad Presidents before.
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@stary1 (6622)
• United States
18 Sep 11
I agree this is not the worst of times and absolutely the Civil War represented much darker days in division. I agree there will always be differences in opinions and I have always felt that to be very healthy for society. I hope I am wrong in seeing the divisions as much more vicious than I remember..the closer we come to the election we will see...
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• United States
18 Sep 11
A split... (Republican primary) A unified party... (Democratic nominee) unless there is a surprise coming in the Democratic party. Prediction for Presidential election...Uneven split favoring Republicans based on economic conditions, unemployment rates, and gas prices.
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@bostonphil (4427)
• United States
18 Sep 11
Your are correct. We are terribly divided as a country. I think that both Obama and Bush are good and decent people. But neither of them had enough experience to be President. Both made very serious mistakes in their presidency. Neither had / has enough friends or networks in Washington. LBJ and Clinton knew how to work the house and senate. Bush did not and Obama does not. But the problem is greater than that. The problem lies with the far left and the far right. The problem is not with the moderates, the conservatives or the liberals. It is with the extremes. I believe that they are a relatively small number on each side but they get themselves heard. And they are causing a lot of strife. And, yes, it is sad and scary.
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@stary1 (6622)
• United States
19 Sep 11
bostonphil I see more problems from the extremists too..and SOME of the moderates are starting to label as extremists those just a little to the left or right ...this comes from both sides..
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• Philippines
19 Sep 11
im not an American and im kinda apolitical.but i watch the news and is very much updated with whats happening around the globe.i think overcoming those so-called divisions would be wishful thinking considering the US is a mixture of races,and its citizens are diverse. political divisions are kinda healthy though, to a certain extent.
@stary1 (6622)
• United States
26 Sep 11
LOL love your avatarleighcee13 I understand what you are saying but everyone basically wants the same for themselves and for their country. I would wish more could compromise just for the good of the country and themselves. We are more divided that we have been for a long time...though it's not the first time we are divided, we have some tremendous challenges ahead of us.
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@estherlou (5017)
• United States
19 Sep 11
It has always been that way. There will never be agreement between two parties that are so diametrically opposite.
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@stary1 (6622)
• United States
19 Sep 11
Right but the division seems to be getting more vicious..or I hope I am wrong.
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
19 Sep 11
All the talk of compromise seems to be you give up your basic principals as the price of getting along. If we waited until everyone agreed we would get nothing done. The problem we face today is that we have two opposing sets of principles one that believes the government is best to make the decisions and spend money. The other is that the individual is the best one to make decisions and how to spend money. Where would we be today if the founding fathers had compromised with King George? They made decisions based on their principals and they were willing to give up everything as they stated in the Declaration of Independence "we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our Fortunes, & our sacred Honor.". How many of the politicians today are willing to sign such a pledge? Most will make their decisions trying to save their job, not based on true principles. The US is now faced with a problem that people have to make hard choices. Do you want the government to control your life or do you want the individual to make the decisions?
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@stary1 (6622)
• United States
19 Sep 11
Sadly you are absolutely correct...we all want the same good outcomes for everyone and for our country, but have completely different, competing, opposite approaches..
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@ANTIQUELADY (36488)
• United States
18 Sep 11
It's a da-- big mess. I don't think it will ever get straightened out. I think they are all being a bunch of hardheads especially the republicans.
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@stary1 (6622)
• United States
19 Sep 11
ANTIQUELADY And the Republicans blame the Dems...each side blames the other and no progress is made... I think both sides want the same thing, it's just they have different approaches as to how to get there.
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@savypat (20246)
• United States
20 Sep 11
One does wonder how we ever get together on any issues. Common danger seems to do it, but soon the bickering starts again. I would guess that state's rights account for the government lasting as long as it has. By having states rights, people can relocate rather then start border wars amoung themselves. So if you don't agree with the politics in one state you can move to another without to much hassel. In other countries if you don't agree you have to relocate to another country, often at great danger to yourself. We forget how much freedom we have here, until we are exposed to others in the world. Blessings
• United States
19 Sep 11
i dont mean to sound so negative but i do not think american will ever come together again there is just too many different moral values in the world today and it seem that with each generation the morals and values just get worse and worse i am american but i do not follow politics i definitely think it was a mistake electing obama for president and there was no way what so ever he could have ever brought us together you had to have know that from the start just from the moral and traditional aspect of it i think george bush did a pretty good job considering what all happened while he was in the office
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@matersfish (6311)
• United States
19 Sep 11
There is a heck of a lot more division under Obama. And while I won't put the blame on Obama for creating it, I will say that he hasn't done much to stop it from growing. He's not responsible for it, but he has also missed countless opportunities to give America a healing moment - one of the most recent being when Hoffa ran off at the mouth while introducing Obama, and upon taking the stage, Obama basically "forgot" his own plea for civility. That doesn't mean he agreed with it. But it does seem to mean he didn't care to openly disagree with it. So... But that's not as important as the general atmosphere in America when it comes to politics. I think what we need is for NO ideology to win the day! Forget the right, forget the left. Let's have some simple good ideas that aren't birthed of ideological leaning. Let's hear some rhetoric that isn't designed to pander to a certain base. Let's simply have some honesty in our discourse instead of talking points and rally-cap fodder to paint opposition as the enemy. The trouble with any idea succeeding or failing in the ideological realm is that the fringe of either side loves to hammer away over it. The fringes always want their ideology to reign supreme over the entire world, and if they are able to cause enough ruckus and have one of "their" ideas implemented and should that idea work, Pete help us all, because we're worse off for it even if it does help with the economy. We're brought together by neither side being right about anything! Even if they--Obama, Boehner, it doesn't matter--say "balance," that's only code for wanting the other side to cave. So it's all BS. When government actually sits down, shuts up and gets out of the way to let Americans fix America without their wide-eyed theories on how to do it, then we can see that we don't need division or to choose a side.
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
26 Sep 11
One of the best ideas to help stop the bickering and division in politics and government in our country would be to actually have some honest candidates that won't back down on their beliefs to pander to either party or individual parts of the country. To many times we see candidates that say one thing in one part of the country and then turn around and flip flop on the issue in another area so that they agree with (or at least seem to) the views of the voters they are addressing. We also repeatedly see the candidates break campaign promises as soon as they are elected into office....they begin to follow their own agenda instead of doing what they said they would. While I agree that part of this is Congress' fault as the President has to have their help, it still does not seem right and creates large amounts of anger, and in some cases, violence in American polotics. I am not sure this will ever change.