The news just announced 3700 post offices will close

United States
September 22, 2011 9:24pm CST
I don't know how this will affect the majority of people. Some it wont bother at all, because overall the post offices business has gone down almost 40% in the last 10 years as a result of mostly email. I really won't be bothered by it. I mostly only buy stamps there. I go to the supermarket to get them most of the time as the post office stopped stocking stamp machines for the public. Will this affect you in any manor? It seems to me tho, that alot of the money saved by letting employees go, will be used for gas to travel even further to deliver the mail. What do you think?
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• United States
23 Sep 11
I think just like everything else that has happened in during this bad economy the small business owner will suffer the most. If you are shipping products or whatever through mail because it is cheaper than Fedex or UPS, then you will suffer for sure. Not only will you pay higher shipping prices, you might lose business because you aren't getting what you need in a timely way or you have no money to grow and product more product. It's a sad state of affairs if you ask me. But I do understand having to make budget cuts.
• United States
23 Sep 11
Yes. You are very right about that, because I have a small business, and when the economy started going down hill a few years ago, it made so much difference in my sales, as the councils would tell the buyers they had to buy from their town, next city, next county, and then state to put the money back into their local areas. And a big part of it was the freight charges which had become so high because of costs of gas. Now, this will be the same issue as the shipping will be higher.
• United States
25 Sep 11
I can only imagine what you are going through. I know that we all want to use American companies but it seems as though they make it to hard for American companies to withstand if you are competing with large corporations. I hope that your sales will pick back up soon. I know it can be difficult during times like these.
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• United States
26 Sep 11
Thank you stacysmomstl. Like your name, but can't figure out the stl. Not supposed to, huh? Yes. It made it tough to earn like I did, and then many of the city workers were having to take early retirement. Many of my buyers were forced to go back to work in the field and I even had cities and towns that merged from 2 cities or towns 2 one because a city or town couldn't afford to run the city. They would take both names of the cities or towns and use them with a hyphen in the middle. Sad.
• Australia
25 Sep 11
In Australia we have a government agency called AusPost, which is independently run but under the government's control. They saw the writing on the wall, and since they decided the delivery of mail is such an importnat public issue, sought ways to expand branch business to cover the expected loss of revenue and keep as many branches open as possible. They have always done passports, but now they sell a wide variety of stationary, novelty lines, computer accessories, small business machines, and so forth. They also handle a lot of corporate and local government bill paying, do photocopies, faxing, notarising, and banking. It seems to work so far. Lash
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• Australia
25 Sep 11
I should have added: mail delivery is mostly next day locally, 2 days within the state, and 3 days nationally, with occasional exceptions either way. I can't remember the last bit of my mail that went astray. Lash
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• United States
25 Sep 11
Sounds like Australia has it altogether in the postal service area. It is good that it is working well for your people there. It is a shame that our postal services did not work something out as yours did so that America's people would not find themselves in this situation at this time. I just don't understand why nothing was done when they could see this coming unless they assumed the government would continue to bail them out. They surely didn't think it could keep on going like this.
• Australia
25 Sep 11
You can put a lot of it down to the American obsession with privatisation. It still annoys a lot of Australians that our government privatised the phone system, although it's still nowhere as bad as America's, at least we have only one infrastructure network that all the companies use. In a social democracy major public utilities like post, telephone, hospitals and so forth should always remain tied to the government if the people are to be adequately serviced. Lash
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• United States
23 Sep 11
Personally it will not cause too much of a delay for me as I usually get only bills and they can wait to arrive. But on a serious note I do get most of mine electronically, which why I suspect that the mail service is not delivering as much to as many as they use to before. I think that perhaps they explored that avenue when coming up with this plan, or at least I would hope they did as it would not make sense to save to spend. But I am sure it will have a lot of glitches until they once again make another change.
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• United States
23 Sep 11
The commentator says that they had no competition, and should have looked at what to do when email first came about, but they didn't and then 3 or 4 years ago, they were to make decisions about cutting down the days in the week of delivering mail, but they didn't go through with that either. They are $3 billion dollars in debt, and the government has bailed them out for the past 10 years taking money from the peoples' taxes, but no long has the money to give them.
• United States
23 Sep 11
Yes then sadly it is inevitable that they do some cut backs. I would hope they have carefully thought of what this means to them now, but as always plans do not always go trough without hiccups. I can imagine a giant mess in the beginning.
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• United States
23 Sep 11
Yes. Delayed mail mostly. When I first moved here several years ago, I almost never got my mail for about 5 months. The girl who was delivering when I moved here broke her leg, so others were replacing her, but never the same persons. I counted as many as 5 different postal people delivering on my street in a 2 week period. There were times when at 5, they hadn't picked up the mail I had placed in the box for pickup. Sometimes they picked it up later. Sometimes not. So, with just that going on, I can imagine what will go on with all the changes that are about to come.
@leeloo (1494)
• Portugal
23 Sep 11
Postal services have had constant attacks on their services over the years. The advent of telegraph's, telephones, cell phones and now emails have all made people write less. It is quite common to not have written or received letters all year. Their biggest flux of post was normally at Christmas with Christmas cards and that too has dwindled. I suspect they thought they survived everything else they would survive this. Unlike Western Union, with the telegraph and telegram that suffered heavily with the same pressures and sms to boot who closed their telegram service in 2006, the postal service did not diversify their services which would have allowed them to continue without such drastic counter measures.
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• United States
23 Sep 11
You worded it perfectly. You have a way with words. I couldn't explain it that well, but that is basically what the commentator was saying on the news last night. Yes, that is also true about the telegram service. I hadn't thought about that. And as far as the cell phones, yes. I said years ago, that people don't have to pay for long distance any more or mail letters to talk. I used to put a letter in front of me and read it as I answered the letter to make sure I didn't forget to answer or comment on anything that the sender had written. Now you do it all on the phone, or look at them while you are talking to them. Only thing, you can't touch them!
@leeloo (1494)
• Portugal
13 Oct 11
Thank you for the best response.
@marguicha (90200)
• Chile
10 Oct 11
Even if I don´t live in the US, I can see that many things have changed these last years because of computing. I don´t buy newspapers anymore because I read them in my computer. When something is important, I also watch thwe news in TV. No more dirty inky hands! I also do most of my bill payments from my computer and I am angry when the bills come to my house as all of them are paid automatically by my Bank. Why should we spend paper from trees of our planets when we have other means? There should be some post offices: for packages and the like. But I´m sure thay can close many of them and have the people who want to send a package go a little bit farther.
• United States
11 Oct 11
Yes marguicha, the computers have cut out an awful lot. I also see all my news on the internet. I don't have a bank account or a card now, so I need my bills to come by mail. I don't trust any institutions right now who handle money. I want to keep it with me. Not that I have any extra after getting paid, But I have other ways to get them paid, like driving down the street where the businesses are on the way to my job everyday mon through thur.
@mzz663 (2775)
• United States
24 Sep 11
I think a lot of people will be upset because they have to travel further to get to a post office. The unemployment rate in the US will go up. Stamp prices will probably go up. I think everyone should just mail a letter. If everyone in the US mailed a package or one letter a week, we might be able to save some of these jobs.
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• United States
25 Sep 11
mzz, that is great planning. You should try to get that out to the right government department and see if Obama might could have it announced and ask all Americans to help with that. That is really an idea!
@carolscash (9501)
• United States
24 Sep 11
I just do not see how they can cut back your mail delivery and it not affect something. All bills have due dates and how are we going to be sure that those can get there on time. I believe that there should be a better way to solve the issue but I really do not know how.
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• United States
24 Sep 11
I guess it will become a do it or do without deal where if you want something mailed, you will have to manage to get to the location to send it out, you know, like when you have to get groceries.
@Cutie18f (9564)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Wow, that would translate to so many people having no work because each office has workers.
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• United States
23 Sep 11
That is true, but I still think they are going to have to use alot of the carriers who were doing the areas where the post offices are closing. And come to think of it, there will be more work to be done in the post offices themselves because of the multiple mail they will be doing from those closed post offices also, so seems like they would need to hire some of the workers from inside the closed post offices also.
@airasheila (5460)
• Philippines
23 Sep 11
Good day Chrystaltears, As the evolution of inventions are being impart to people now a days, the effect will be diversification. And this is almost the same when people created computers. Before a manual work can be done in weeks having a manpower of three or more. But since computer has been invented, the manual work can be generated in just a few days having only two manpower needed. It will just be needing two laborers to operate the machine, that is one in the morning and one in the evening. And as the new millenium age approaches, there are times, computer operation really dont need manpower at all. It just requires a timer. Same thing what happened to the Post Office. As the email evolves now a days, sending and receiving of letters are now being done on-line. For this reason, the workers on this job does not have anything to do since transmitting of letters and the like was diverted into computerization. Perhaps, people who are affected by this diversification should think of a way on how to deal on such situation. After all, it is still the people who invented the computer. And so, computer are just only a small machine that follows instructions from the people who operates it. For without the people, computer will be useless at all.
• United States
23 Sep 11
Oh my goodness. That is so true. I see exactly what you are saying. Many people in the past have lost jobs as a result of the computers being able to do what several would have been needed for. Makes sense. Yes. It is basically all about the way technology has grown. I keep thinking about the book of Daniel in the Old Testament. What next? I love the way you expressed all of this.
• United States
23 Sep 11
This wouldn't have happened if they wouldn't have paid so much to the Post Office employees. They get paid good money and get great benefits just by sitting down all day sorting mail. Getting paid $10 or over for sorting mail would be a nice job to have. Now the USPS is in debt and have to lay off employees, close down post offices, and not going to mail on Saturdays anymore. I don't think it'll save them money since now we have internet and we are using emails and Facebook to communicate with our friends and family, all the post office delivers are bills, junk mail, and maybe the occasionally package that you bought something online. I wouldn't be surprise in the future you won't see the post office delivering your bills since now you can pay your bills online even straight from your online banking account, which will screw over USPS even more.
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• United States
23 Sep 11
Oh, have they already decided or announced they won't be delivering mail on Saturdays? I didn't know that. I only heard that they should have done that 3 or 4 years ago, and it would have helped them out alot with the debt issue. At one time they were talking about Tuesdays and Saturdays. My brother wins a contract a the post office every two years, and works part-time doing different types of things for the local post offices. He was worried this time that he would not get it, as the post offices are in such debt, but he got good news again last week that he won the contract bid again. Don't know from one day to the next, tho what could happen.
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
23 Sep 11
I know that within 10 miles of my community there are 3 Post Offices that could close and the routs absorbed by other Post Offices and not effect mail delivery. In Wisconsin we make children walk up to 1/2 mile to catch the school bus, but I am told that the post office will drive that far down a road for one mail box. I live in town but am within 1/2 mile of the Post Office so I have to rent a mail box to get my mail. Why can't they put up lock mail boxes and deliver mail to set locations rather than to their door? That would save money.
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• United States
23 Sep 11
You know, they may have could done that if they had planned it 10 years ago, but they let it go too long before they came up with something. I think they hoped the box shipping would help them out alot. It may have. But apparently not enough. You know where if it fits it's only $3.95 and so on. They are $3 billion dollars in debt, and they can't set up something like that now. They dont have the money to do it with now. It is too late. They will have to employ some of the carriers at the post offices that stay open, wouldn't you think, because with the carriers they have, their load will be doubled or tripled to the point that they will have to keep some from other places that close. There's no way that the regular carriers could do it all by 5.
@coffeebreak (17820)
• United States
24 Sep 11
It is a shame that the PO has done this to themselves and we, the people are suffering. What is making them go bust is....salaries. I saw a report that said that 92% of the PO's total "expense" which means what it costs them to stay open... is salaries. Meaning that only 12% of their expenditures is for postal fixtures, rent, stamps, etc. THey have over paid their carriers and staff to the point that they can't afford them anymore. First, back when times were good, they hired people giving them these humongous retirements and insurance etc.At the time, it wasn't a problem as the people were working for a salary. But now... those people are retiring and the PO has to now pay these high retirements and between that and the current salaries....they can't afford to stay open! So their past mistakes of arrogance is now costing not only them their jobs, but us, the people our postal service. I hear stamps will be come more offered at stores (groceries now sell them by the book) and "atm" style stamp machines like they have ATM's in variety of places, and they will cut back on current employees (and make us stand in even longer lines) and close the smaller stations. But the thing is... it will never end. They have to pay those high retirements and they will never end, so their problem will never end. Alot of the "fault" has been put on online usage and yes... paying bills on line has cut into their product not being used as much but instead of trying to figure out how to get around that, they pay themselves first. There should be something the gov can do about those high retirements. I mean, yeah, they worked a fair days work for a more than fair days wage, but at the same time...they are costing the american people to loose their postal service. Cut those retirements in half or something. Either that or we loose. Granted, go to more online bill pay and such and FedX and UPS will profit but it is a crying shame that the USPS has done this to us... all the while many of us were putting in a fair days wage and a lower than fair days wage. I will be sorry to see it go. I have been a snail mail letter writer for years and years.. I hate getting Email B-day cards and things like that. I like a letter in my hand. I have just introduced my 11 year old grand daughter to snail mail and she loves it!!! Well, she loves getting them, but isn't as crazy (as I am) about writing them.. but she'll get there... if the USPS doesn't shatter our dream!
• United States
25 Sep 11
Everything you have said is so true. ]] I had no idea that 80% was for salaries and retirement. No wonder they have run into these serious issues. Yes, if they want to seriously consider cutting ssi or even cutting it out someday, then something should have to be done about the high retirements also. It is only fair to the rest of America. Yes, I knew they were carrying stamps at some store, because in this area 2 or 3 years ago, I went to the post office over the weekend to get stamps out of the machine, and guess what! There weren't any stamp machines at the post office. They had been cut out. So I learned to go to the grocer when I needed stamps, unless it was very convenient during the day to make it to the post office and stand in line. I think it is so neat that you are teaching your 11 year old niece about snail nail. Maybe the postal services won't go out altogether and she will be able to learn more and enjoy it.
@sender621 (14956)
• United States
23 Sep 11
It is discouraging to see so many post offices closing. It will certainly change how a lot of people will give and receive mail. More and more will be done online I'm sure. for those who do not have internet access, this could cause a problem. What about all of the jobs that will be lost as well?
• United States
24 Sep 11
Some of the citizens on the news said that in the poorer parts of cities and many in the senior age group are the ones that would have the most difficult times with this and that is who the government has always been the least concerned about anyway. It will cause issues for these people who cannot afford to have internet services. Many cannot in this day and time. Is the government going to buy them a computer and pay for monthly service, or are they going to make it mandatory to have internet service or receive no mail. Then again, I guess there could be more post office boxes. Who knows?!!