Marriages and Religion....

@mr_pearl (5018)
India
September 30, 2011 8:17am CST
Hello Buddies... I am back.. I am back after 2 or 3 months maybe, after having faced a lot. And that was all due to my marriage.. I am from India. Here if a boy or a girl comes of age, that marital age, their families start looking for a good life partner. The search is made all over and there are hell lot of filters. Before going into those filters let me add that, the opinion of the person who is about to marry matters the least, of course. The first filter is 'Religion'... The other person (life partner) has to be of the same religion, no matter how good and suited he/she is. Then there comes Caste and Sub-caste... Here the religions are divided into Castes and Sub Castes. And the bottom line is that all of them should match. So basically, when the search is over, the person to be married finds that he/she is gonna marry someone whom he/she doesn't really want as a life partner. But there is no show of opinions, unfortunately. Could you please tell me, how it is in your country? Are you married? Did the question of religion come up when you got married? If you are about to marry, will you think of the religion of the other person? Please share... It'll soothe my heart to know that there at least a few wise regions where religion doesn't play any role in marriages.. Thank you!!!
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26 responses
• Canada
5 Oct 11
I'm from Britain where most people don't have arranged marriages but some ethnic groups do. I think this agrevates ethnic tension because people from India and Pakistan tend to let their sons date white women but don't let their daughters date white men. It's probably just as well that we don't have arranged marriages because I strongly suspect that my parents would have chosen a woman similar to my mother and that wouldn't have been right for me at all. I'm a nerd so I needed a nerd or geek for a wife but my parents have never understood that. My wife is from Canada where the same thing applies. Although we come from different traditions (she's a Catholic and I'm a protestant), we both believed, and still believe pretty much the same things. Neither families had a problem with this, we're more religious than most our relatives. Now we belong to a Messianic congregation. I've heard that Sikhs don't believe in the cast system but still tend to follow it anyway. I don't know about Muslims. I think that marriages between people of different religions are only likely to work if neither partner takes their religion very seriously. Marriages between fundamentalists and moderates of the same religion probably aren't a good idea either. I used to sometimes see a normal looking white man walking down the street with a dark skinned women dressed in traditional Muslim dress following him a few meters behind. Once I got to speak to the man (the woman wasn't with him), I don't think he was a Muslim (converts are seldom moderates and therefore there are hardly any white moderate Muslims) and was clearly unhappy about his wife's increasing fundamentalism. I don't know how that situation developed or what eventually happened. However I think this sort of thing could be a danger of moderates from different religions marrying each other. Then I suppose it could be a problem if two people of the same religion marry but one changes his or her beliefs (either converting to a different religion or becoming more moderate or fundamentalist). Perhaps you should try converting to a religion that doesn't have arranged marriages or casts, but I've heard it's illegal to change your religion in India.
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@watergirl (567)
• Philippines
30 Sep 11
In my country, arranged marriage is uncommon. Basically, anyone can marry anyone whom he or she wishes to marry. Although at times, economic and social standing would play a part in choosing a suitable partner. Families of the partners may or may not get along well but partners stay together and marry nevertheless. I guess that is why in my country, there is an archetypal disagreement and animosity with in-laws who do not approve of the union.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
3 Oct 11
Hi Watergirl.. Thanks a lot for sharing. You live in a good country, it seems. You live in a happier and healthier world. :) Congrats!! I love this... I wish I was born there... sigh...
1 Oct 11
My wife and I are both Atheists so religion did not play any part in our marriage. We met on holiday and they say those romances do not last. It has only been 54 years so we will have to wait and see. I have heard it said that there are less divorces in arranged marriages and I am not surprised. I have had some experience in this and it is quite common that if a woman finds she can no longer stay in the marriage and leaves not only do her husbands family no longer speak to her neither do her own family so the pressure to stay in an unhappy marriage is enormous. I always thought that the caste system was a disgusting and grossly unfair system and I am surprised to read that it is still involved in arranging a marriage. It is bad enough using religion as all religions are based on myths but to judge a person simply on the group they were born into seems to be to be totally unfair and unrealistic in the modern world. I have a friend who is Muslim and married to a Christian lady. They have been married for over 40 years very successfully.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
16 Oct 11
Thanks a lot to both of you... It has really been a knowledgable conversation.. I have never ever thought of religion seriously, and never to these depths.. a. I don't believe in Religion at all.. b. But I do believe in God.. Based upon this, where would I be placed???
6 Oct 11
I have no objection to using religion a criterion of picking a marriage partner but I do object to using it as an barrier to choosing a partner. I do not understand how anyone can call Atheism a religion. Atheist are not an organized group as theists are their main theme is they do not believe that there are any gods. The dictionary defines a religion as (1) a belief in the existence of controlling power especially a god or gods (2) a system of faith and worship. Sorry about missing out the philosophical religions I should have mentioned those and of course Taoism. As you say atheist cannot prove any claims as it is not possible to prove a negative. However you can prove a positive and if theists wish to claim that there is a god that is a positive statement and therefor if you are going to claim it it should be proved and it never has been. Atheist claim that there is no real evidence of a god and that is true so it is not a false claim. There are things that are paranormal in the sense that they are outside the normal but there is no reason to think that they are caused by a god or spirit. They are just things that we do not yet understand. While our scientific knowledge has made great advances in the last couple of hundred years we have only scratched the surface of the knowledge which is out there waiting to be discovered. This will include anything which is so called paranormal.
• Canada
5 Oct 11
maidangela, I mostly agree with what you say here (but I only have your word for your marriage). You seem to object to using religion as a criterion for choosing a marriage partner yet you and your husband are both the same religion. I don't think mixed religion marriages will work unless the couple don't take their religions very seriously (I suspect this is true of the Muslim married to a Christian). You say that "all religions are based on myths" which I think is a bit overly simplistic and somewhat hypocritical. Some religions are based on philosophical concepts (I think this is the case with Buddhism and Confucianism). You can debate the definition of "myth" including whether being untrue is part of the definition. If you decided that myths are untrue, then you get into debates about whether the stories behind religions are true (in which case they wouldn't be myths). Also Agnosticism and Atheism are religions. I would say that atheism is based on false and unprovable claims: there is no God, there is no paranormal (because this would allow for the possibility of a god), science has figured out everything important (so there can't be some god or paranormal stuff hiding somewhere). There are too many unknown and unexplained things for the latter two claims to be true and some of them suggest the existence of God!
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@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
3 Oct 11
Im in USA alot of people marry out of their religion. They end up having many problems because of that. Especially after they have children. Also here we choose our own marriage partners. Sometimes that doesnt work out very well either.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
23 Oct 11
Yes, they marry out of religion and are happier too. Because they get to stay with the one they love. They are not thurst on with a spouse. Even if they make a bad marriage, there is no one to blame... It becomes their own responsibility... The system is so clean and efficient...
@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
27 Oct 11
Sometimes it does not end up being good.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
30 Sep 11
Oh no, you haven't been forced to marry someone you didn't want to have you? How about your one true love abroad? What happened there?
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
2 Oct 11
Hi Janey, feel so happy to read from you again. how are you doing? No, I have got married yet. But you know I almost got married in the past few days many times, and God knows, what I did to get out of it.. It can't go on forever though. Moreover, my Love abroad is angry or something, she has stopped writing to me... :( Sob sob.... Life is bad...
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
3 Oct 11
They are pressurizing me coz here at my age everyone must marry.. Janey, it sounds foolish, I know, but that is how it is. One must marry n one has to marry someone who is from their own religion, caste etc. I am tired! Many of my friends are married and some of them have kids too. So for my family I am quite late to marry. :( ... Exhausted!!!
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
3 Oct 11
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear this news my friend. Why is there such pressure on you to marry? I don't really understand the system so please enlighten me..and it may help you getting it all off your chest too.
@mdog56 (23)
• United States
1 Oct 11
Great question! I am not married but I know one thing for sure: religion will not be a motivating factor when it comes to the decision making time. I am from America and I don't think I am alone with this belief. I personally feel faith is an exclusively personal experience and there is no reason for another person to intervene or distract/disrupt your own personal religious beliefs. I don't however, mean to say that you should not share your religious activities with others because that can be a very enriching experience as well but when it comes to romance and religion, I don't see any reason to integrate the two.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
23 Oct 11
@ mdog... Thanks for sharing.. I agree with you. I know a few of them from your country and the fact is verified that in USA, religion matters the least when it comes to marriages.. I appreciate your statement that religion should be a personal experience only... Why force one's religion on another? One can't forcefully make another believe in things.. Thank you! @ Graptopetalum... Thank you again! My experience with Americans has been quite different. Moreover mdog speaks frankly that religion is entirely personal thing, it shouldn't be thurst on anyone, not even on your spouse.. I agree with mdog..
• Canada
5 Oct 11
mdog, I think you'll find that quiet a few people in America are concerned about what religion the person they marry is. I also suspect that you would have problems being married to a hard line atheist who complains about everything religious or a Muslim fundamentalist who insists that you wear a burka and walk so many paces behind him or a Mormon fundamentalist who wants to have a lot of wives etc.
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@kkanaka (886)
• Singapore
3 Oct 11
Heheheheh!!! Accept the fact as it is. Even if other countries dont follow the religion-centric rule still they are also traditional and orthodox in some matters or others. I have noticed they look for status and how you behave in society. So every culture has some restrictions and rules which they follow before getting married. So you are not the only one... so cheer up. Now after your marriage are you happy with your partner, if you are not able to decide now you will learn it soon.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
23 Oct 11
The status thing is everywhere... And it is based on the social status etc. It is partially acceptable as one can change the status i.e. one can make more money and move to upper class or the opposite way, one can lose money and become a poor one... Status is changable. But religion is a tag which can't be removed and it is of no value either... That is the pain... :(
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
4 Oct 11
Hi Mr. Pearl, Here in the States, LOVE is the main requirement for marriage. I was raised Catholic but my husband wasn't. We did not get married in the church. I didn't care what his religion was or wasn't and neither did my family. I think my mother had more of a problem with the fact that he had hair down to his waist! Actually, I KNOW she did. I can't imagine being forced to marry someone that I was not in love with that someone else picked out for me. So are you out of that marriage now? I don't understand your traditions or their purpose. Life is too short. I would not let anyone dictate to me how I should live it and with whom.
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@zoey7879 (3092)
• United States
30 Sep 11
Here in America, it's pretty much a choice of who marries who. Some families and immigrant cultures and religions may follow their individual traditions, however. I am unmarried and I won't marry someone who shoves their own religion down my throat.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
2 Oct 11
Hi Zoey, thanks for sharing... I know and I am aware of, how it is in America... Yours is a wonderful country. Personal freedom is of extreme value to you. I love that about America. Thanks again!!! Have a good day!!
@jaiho2009 (39142)
• Philippines
30 Sep 11
Here in our country,we do not observe arrange marriage so, it depends on the two people who love each other when they want to marry or what kind of person they want to marry with. My husband and I are of different religion but since we love each other it's not a hindrance and we get married. There are some religion here in our country that doesn't allow their members to marry with other religion so, it is a must for conversion. But,majority is not all about religion...but LOVE. have a good day and welcome back to mylot.
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@prasanta (1948)
• India
30 Sep 11
Which country do you belong to?
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
2 Oct 11
Hi.. Thanks a lot for sharing. Yes, I would like to know where you stay.. What a peace should it be! Total freedom to choose your life partner... I am a tortured soul and it gives me such peace to know that there are some people who can marry their loved ones... Take care... thanks again... good Luck.. .
@Sanitary (3968)
• Singapore
30 Sep 11
In singapore, religion should not be an obstacle when it comes to marriage, especially both are of the same race. Obstacles only appears when there's interracial marriages where someone has to sacrifice. Most of the time, it's usually islam or hindu who gets their man. When it comes to chinese, it's either christianity or buddhism, it's as simple as that. Everything is out of respect instead of forcing.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
3 Oct 11
Hi Miss.. Thanks for sharing.. I love your last statement. Everything is out of respect, instead of forcing... :) Well, I hope this respect was here too... It is so foolish here... Tired!!!
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
23 Oct 11
Hi Graptopetalum, it seems to me that you're too much worked up about religion. Which is entirely unnecessary... I mean, this is the modern age. We can't live in this modern world with the laws of middle ages... doesn't make sense, does it?
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@globaldoc (858)
• Philippines
1 Oct 11
I have encountered this situation so many times in my life. I actually believe that in true love, there will be understanding. As for this situation, I think it will really depend. The difference in religion means nothing. If one is willing to give up the marriage for the religion, then it is obvious that the love shared is not enough.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
23 Oct 11
HI Doc, thanks a lot for sharing.. You're right to say that when one sacrifies marriage for religion then it implies that the love hasn't been enough. How ridiculous the idea is, two souls who love each other can't marry because they're of different religions... I Hate It!!!!
@Dominique25 (9464)
• United States
30 Sep 11
I personally feel it's important to have the same beliefs when a person is married. I feel it's harder to have a successful relationship if two people have completely opposite views or ways of worshipping. Even if they are similar in beliefs but different in how they worship or feel worship should be carried out then it would still be hard. I don't however feel that it should go as far as you mentioned. With all that that is involved it would seem like a personh wouldn't want to get married. I feel that it's important for a person to be able to choose who they want to marry themselves based on their feelings and beliefs.
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
3 Oct 11
Hi Dominique... I understand your views on this topic.. Thanks a lot for sharing. However, I suppose, you don't agree to such a marriage being forced on someone, do you? You say so in your last statement. A forceful union is no union, I believe... right?
@Harmonics (251)
• Philippines
1 Oct 11
Regarding marriage in our country, there are also arranged marriages but only on a few. More often than not, they can personally choose who they want to marry, the one whom they love.Even when a person is of age here, it will be his or her personal decision to marry or not.
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@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
23 Oct 11
Hi... Thanks a lot for sharing.. seems to me that you live in a good country, where they value human emotions more than the impractical things... You're lucky.. :) Have a good day!
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
30 Sep 11
I can sense so much of heartache in your topic mr pearl. I hope you get a decent girl who will keep you happy.Of course I have assumed that you are a male. Regarding your question, I am a middleaged woman from a conservative family and also had my only child have an arranged marriage. Religion becomes important in our families mrpearl. You are young and may not agree now.. But religion is what gives us stability and peace and we always resort to God at any point of time. To feel the full force of God in abstract terms calls for a totally different sense of maturity and religion helps us get the identity with God. When there is an interreligious marriage the adjustment gets slightly more difficult[ what if one person is deeply religious and wants to pursue her /his faith] and problems surface when kids grow up. As such marriage is a difficult thing[I am happily married for the past 31 years/an arranged marriage] and I have been there too. WHy add extra issues of controversy to the already potential ones? Now if you are very sure that you are in love with another person who is of a different religion and he/she is going to face all odds with you, please forget all that I have written , and go ahead and fight for the person. There are many countries who do not believe in this system and I am sure you will get views to soothe your mind. I do not know how I will think twenty years from now.
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
3 Oct 11
Heavens! Have I drifted away? I never fancied that my ideas could be wrong, as I have formed them after a lot of study. You are right, that some things were thrust rudely upon me, and so is this marriage. My love will walk wherever I go, that is what she said. But have I really drifted away?
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Oct 11
I wholeheartedly agree with you and though I belong to a different period, you will be surprised to note that I have a good many friends only from other communities and I do not really fancy the idea of sticking to my caste and community as far as friends go. My father was a very large-hearted liberal modern man and had friends from all classes and communities .He never discriminated between them though he was born in a very conservative and 'forward 'caste family. In your case, the concept of religion [ I am sure it would be more to do with some rituals]has been thrust on you in an unwanted forceful manner and that is why your rational mind just revolts against it. Unfortunately some people give so much of emphasis on form over substance thereby missing the woods for the trees. If you had been gently enveloped in the family concept of religion this heartache would not have taken place. I am sorry for you and if I guess right your family has a role to play in your internal conflict. But, is there at least your other or father who can understand your point of view? And is your love really willing to walk the whole distance with you? All said and done, marriage and friendship are two different things.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
2 Oct 11
please read "mother" or "father"--typo regretted.
@dawnald (85130)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Oct 11
Gosh, I must have missed a discussion. What happened to your girlfriend who was overseas?
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
29 Oct 11
Hi Dawn.. You didn't miss a lot, Miss.. The girl is fine and the distances haven't lessened yet... :( That is it, in short.. I am trying to do something, as fast as I can... May God help us... thank you Dawn!!!
@ifa225 (14364)
• Indonesia
24 Oct 11
Hi Mr Pearl i am married. in my country, a couple who want to get married have to have the same religion. and when the couple is having different religion, one of them must choose one religion that they think is the right and best .
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
25 Oct 11
Hi Ifa... It is the same in my country... The good thing in your country is at least they allow you to marry by converting to other religion. But here that is looked upon as degradation... One who chooses his religion is looked down by everyone... Anyways, thanks a lot for writing... Take care...
@ifa225 (14364)
• Indonesia
26 Oct 11
owh...a degradation? maybe that is why i often see in some India movies that if a couple have a different religion then the choose to live in other country. but if you are strong enough, you can still stand with your head up high and never care what other said
@marguicha (215030)
• Chile
1 Oct 11
In my country we donĀ“t have arranged marriages. But from what I have heard, It seems that in yourr country, when a marriage is arranged, both families help the young couple a lot more than what they do in this parto of the world. Am I right? Religion plays a role with some familis, but not with everyone.
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
23 Oct 11
Upto some extent your statement is correct. Yes, both families are busy helping the newly weds with many things. That is a good point. But the uglier aspect is, there is a compulsion here that one can't marry outside one's religion and caste... It is an fruitless thing to do. Love just happens! One can't decide that he is gonna love someone from his religion n caste only... That would be too restrictive...
@marguicha (215030)
• Chile
23 Oct 11
I married for love. But later on in life I discovered that many women in my country married for other reasons. Some of them were to have independence, other women wanted a provider, many just to go out of the parents home without having to work a lot. As I said, I married for love. But I am sure theat I stayed married because we worked on our marriage and we also had luck. The amount of people that get divorces show thatour way is not as good as it seems either. It seems that in the western hemisphere, family and marriage are going through a crisis. I am not sure if the restrictions you have in India are so bad, after all.
• United States
30 Sep 11
In my country and also in my culture we are free to marry who we choose. We do not practice arrange marriages. I would have a difficult time adapting to an arrange marriage but solely because it is not something we have done in my upbringing. Preferences here as to why they marry can vary from person to person. Generally it is done out of love, while some on a personal level may not consider someone due to their religions. But it is not my case as if I was to marry someone I would marry then because I wanted and loved as opposed to what religion they are in or not. As for it being an issue with regards to differences in religion, so as long as I am respected as to what religion I am in, I too will respect theirs as well. I would never impose it upon my partner and expect for him not to impose it on me. This being said and done, it would not matter to me as love and responsibility is what I aim for in a life long partner. Welcome back to myLot.
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
3 Oct 11
Hi Miss.. Thanks a lot for sharing... I have reading similar replies from many friends here, and trust me, it gives me immense joy to read such sentences as 'no force' etc... I wish I was born somewhere.. OR I wish I was never born at all.. It is so difficult to face now that I wish to almost run away from here...
• United States
5 Oct 11
I respect people in general, which means I expect to be respected as equally as I do them. With this although I might be of a different religion, does not mean that I will impose mine onto others and would hope no one tries to impose their beliefs and or non-beliefs onto me, well actually because of my faith I won't allow it. If respectfully allowed to and or asked respectfully I could explain why I am in the religion I am in, however with no absolute intent to impose and or enforce it onto anyone. I am the type of person that lives a peaceful life and debating religions is not something I engage in.
• Canada
5 Oct 11
hardworkinggurl, I'm glad you're happy in your relationship. I just get annoyed when people say things like, "I respect all religions" when so many of them do questionable things (actually I respect moving to a Jewish settlement in the "west bank" but I think only a fairly committed Zionist would do this). I suspect in most cases, the person saying they respect all religions would have serious problems with some aspects of some religions but just hasn't really thought about it or done their research. I also suspect, and rather hope, that most people wouldn't just stand by and do nothing when something bad is done in the name or religion.
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@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
30 Sep 11
There is no arranged marriage in the Philippines , it is practiced mostly by Indian and Chinese immigrant. The only thing here is that families from the middle to the upper class are mostly educated so they prefer their children to marry somebody who is also educated and as much as possible somebody from the same or higher financial status but again it is never forced , only emphasized from time to time as you are growing up
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
3 Oct 11
Hi Thanks for sharing... It is good that you don't practise marriage with religions anymore. But you talk about classes... Does that sound right to you??? I mean, a person can fall in love with other person whose parents are poor, for example. In that case, who would you blame? The poor fellow or his parents???
@mr_pearl (5018)
• India
16 Oct 11
Wow.. I love this... Thanks for more explaining, yes that system isn't permanent. One can choose to change it, by making more money... :) Your last statement is the best of all.. .Thanks a lot!
@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
3 Oct 11
Classes are very temporary and based mostly on financial standing, even government label citizens when they survey or have a projects based on A,B,C,class and could be subdivided into A plus or A minus etc... it depends only on factors like where you live, family income and education. So if you are poor but you strive then you can go up the ladder, same way rich people who squander and fail go down. It's not like a caste system where your position is permanent. We are a democratic nation and we can marry who ever we want, our parents can only go as far as give advice and guidance up to age 18, then it's up to you. No blaming because you made the choice or decision, you can only blame yourself