I have to make some major financial decisions soon and need advice

@dragon54u (31636)
United States
February 4, 2012 10:44am CST
Now, of course I'm not going to depend on my myLot friends for the final word so don't feel anxious about giving your opinion. I would just like to know what you would do if you were in my shoes. I'll be selling my house soon because I'm going to be a grandmother. I will not let my grandchild be raised by strangers in daycare and there may be some issues of substance abuse in the household, I'm not sure. But I need to be there. So I have to sell my house and move across the country. I'll probably lose money on the house. I bought siding for it, a new bathroom and just had to buy a new furnace so I owe about $24,0000 besides the balance of my mortgage. I don't have much saved for retirement due to some poor decisions while I was married but I can pay off all my debts plus maybe make up the loss I'll take on the house. That will leave me with practically nothing for retirement but I'll be debt free. If it were you, would you rather be debt free with little retirement savings or have a little in retirement and still paying off debts on a house you don't have? I'm 57, by the way, with a very modest income and if I pay off my debts I'll put those monthly payments I would have made into savings if I decide to pay them off. Suggestions, please!
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
4 Feb 12
this kind of makes me worry abot you since i did that with my kids and i have a really good income compared to most. i get my 500 retirement plus hubbys retirement which adds up to what im told id more then most get for their retirement pay. yet i barely make it from month to month. the kids kind of zap me dry every month so far. things are a lot more expensive here also.since you are coming my way, i thought id let you know that.so just saying. why dont you visit first and see how that goes. i really regret selling my house. you buying another? they are very expensive here.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
4 Feb 12
Yes, I remember how expensive it is to live in Arizona!! I pay about $20 for water and sewer here and there I'll be paying close to $70 a month at least. I do regret having to leave here but my grandchild is too important not to move. I'll be living with the son who's not having a child so we'll be splitting expenses which will help us both save money. The parents have their own place. But I'm not ruling out their moving in with us, their situation is so dicey. I won't be buying a house. Even with the bad housing market, houses there are really unreasonable especially the cheap way they are constructed! I figure expenses there will be about even, sharing with my son, as they are here.
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
4 Feb 12
I didn't read this until after I responded. Much like bunnybon7, my gut tells me you're making a HUGE mistake!!! One other thought...in place of selling the house, would you even consider renting it out until you know for sure that this arrangement is going to work??? You could rent with the option to buy. Most people who are interested in the option to buy take better care of the property because they know they will eventually be the ones fixing it up. Then the rent will cover your house payment plus hopefully enough to add to your savings also. Then, if things bomb, you'll have a home to return to!!! According to the Barbara Corcoran the real estate expert on the Today Show, the market is now leaning toward rentals & she strongly suggests that you rent where possible & not sell. Just saying!!!
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
5 Feb 12
well dragon thats my exact situation here. i was living with my oldest alone here except for a couple of problems we had with his gf's sometimes. then daughter and her bf moved in and now im barely making it. because every time i think she can pay her own soon something happens she needs something she cant afford. hopefully that will soon be straightened out when she starts getting managers pay. its hard to say no when they are needy. i was starting to save with son, now thats gone.
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@Cutie18f (9551)
• Philippines
4 Feb 12
It's better to be debt-free because starting out anew with a clean plate would be best. You are only 57 years old and you still have many years ahead of you. You can start a new modest business using your skills and expertise.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Love your avatar! Yes, I have some time left to put aside more money but I would never be able to do that if I didn't pay off the debts. And at least I won't be paying those outrageous interest rates. Never make a financial decision when you are upset--that's why I have this debt. It's a mistake I won't make again.
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
4 Feb 12
Lret me start by saying ...better you than me!!! I'd be petrified to use all my savings!!! What if you have a medical emergency just after spending all your savings??? How long will it take you to build your savings back up to a comfortable cushion??? Since you're doing your child a HUGE favor, I think they should pay you what daycare would have cost them as they will be getting MUCH BETTER QUALITY of care for their child!!! Is this child & spouse going to appreciate what you're giving up for them??? Will they be able to help you financially if you have a financial problem during all this??? I know you took GREAT care of your boys with very little when they were growing up; but will this child return the favor when the proverbial chit hits the fan??? I know I'm not really answering your question; but, in my eyes, these are important parts of the equation!!! PLUS, I know you've already made up your mind & my opinion is only for backup thoughts as you're somewhat concerned about all this yourself!!! It would be wonderful if your children would be willing to give to you as willingly when you need in your latter years it as you gave to them when they were younger & needed it. Sadly, it seldom works that way!!! Are you ready to face the reality that your child might well leave you destitute when you need him most???
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
4 Feb 12
Those are very, very good points! First, I'll only be liquidating about half of my savings to pay off my debts so I'll have some left. I'm pretty much screwed on retirement even if I don't pay everything off because when I was married we saved nothing--he said the house was our retirement. My eldest son tells me he'll care for me. The youngest is the one expecting a child and he's unemployed although may have a job soon. They can't afford daycare anyway and there's no one else to look after the child. Yes, I'm scared chitless about making such a drastic change but what happens, happens. The grandchild is more important to me. I'll have my ex's SS since we were married so long and my payments would be so much less than his and it won't affect his own SS. It will sustain me and I'll probably have my eldest to help. What scares me is being in debt when the economy collapses, and I'm pretty sure it will. But then, your point about emergencies also hits home. That's what I'm uncertain about. But if half my remaining investments aren't enough then nothing will be enough. I haven't made up my mind yet, just leaning towards paying off my debts. Thanks for giving me some things to think about that I hadn't taken into account!
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
4 Feb 12
I just read your suggestion about rent to own and that's a VERY good option! However, my mortgage is a bit more than I could get in rent. It's something to investigate and I didn't think of it till you mentioned it. The move will work out, there's no doubt about that. It's the house and selling it I worry about and taking a big financial hit on it. I'll look into rent to own, thank you so much for the suggestion.
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
4 Feb 12
I didn't think about the rent to own until I was responding to Bunny's comment & the light suddenly switched on!!! My brother & I are going through much the same thing in trying to sell my Dad's house. That was a huge part of his estate & needless to say our retirement plan also. So, we don't want to rush into selling it & lose about 75% of our retirement plan. There's a certain contract you can draw up that totally protects you in the rent to own area. I just can't remember the name right now. I'll look it up & see if I can't get you more info. Whatever happens, I hope it works out in YOUR & your grand baby's favor!!!
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@marguicha (215325)
• Chile
5 Feb 12
I would not want to have debts if I don´t have an income to pay for it. I read some of the answers to your post and I think that if you are going to go to take care of your grandchild, the parents of the child should help you out as much as they can. You say that your son does not have a job. While he doesn´t have one, he can take care of the baby while you make up your mind the best way. If he gets a job, then they can pay you whatever they would spend on the daycare center, with the extra bonus that they will know that the baby will be in the best hands.
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• Canada
6 Feb 12
I am pretty sensitive, marguicha, and have a pretty good idea of how you are feeling, right now...if it's like me, mostly overwhelmed! It is pretty difficult to accept that we are challenged to care for our big houses...and even harder to come to the realization, they are our hearts, too! We raised our families here...we are grounded here, this is our comfort, out peace! But, I like you...want NO debts and I know with my frugality, like yours I can make my way! Maybe we should amass our "wealth" and buy a couple acres, with two small homes in Nicaragua...my friend is a real estate agent..and prices are very good! LUV YA!
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
6 Feb 12
Thanks for the reply, Marguicha. The parents make minimum wage, not enough to pay for daycare. I am moving so that my grandchild will not spend 8-10 hours a day with strangers. My son just got a job yesterday, thank goodness. I don't want them to have to go on public assistance, that is a disgrace in my family. We help each other and don't depend on the government to do it. I can manage financially and could probably even support them although it would be a meager lifestyle. I've decided to pay off my debts. That will give me more money available for daily expenses and possibly I could use the money I would be paying monthly for the debts to save for when I can no longer support myself. It will all work out, I'm confident of that. And I will have honored the contracts I signed.
• China
5 Feb 12
Congratulate you on your soon being a grandmother!I admire you for your paying so much attention to your grandchild's growing up ,even want to sell your house and move across the country to get there.To be honest,I am not good at managing money matters,but if I were you,I would rather be debt free with little retirement savings.This way I can feel relax.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
I would rather be debt free, too, but the reason I'm in such a quandry is that I don't want to be a burden to my children in my old age. Of course, I don't have enough retirement saved right now to accomplish that so the point is meaningless. I'm leaning toward paying off my debts, that would feel so good!
• China
6 Feb 12
If only the house that you own appreciated in value.You may not only pay off your debt but also have some surplus after selling it.
• United States
6 Feb 12
Here is a thought! It might not be a good idea to sell and move. It might be better to keep the house and rent it out. Put your belongings into storage. This way you will pay for storage and the mortgage but get the mortgage payment back in the form of rent. The reason I say this is because you have a wonderful reason or should I say reasons for moving. But, when families live together again after the kids have grown, moved on their own and have children of their own things don't always work out as planned. If you sell your home and pay off your debts and things don't work out where you are planning to move to. What are you going to do? You won't have a place to live and with a modest income finding something affordable may not be in the cards or available. Just food for thought...your future is just as important as your grandchild's too. At least you will have something to back you up if things don't work the way you are expecting them to. It also may work out great, but in the interim you still have a home you can sell later on when the economy is better and actually make a profit. The mortgage will be paid because you are getting rent and you have a place to return if that is necessary because all you need is to provide 30 days notice for renters to move. You will probably provide 60 - 90 days notice so they too can find another residence to reside in. But you have taken care of all angles for yourself as well as your grandchild! Good luck with whatever you decide!
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
6 Feb 12
That is a VERY good point with sound reasoning! However, rentals in my area are going for less than my mortgage payment and I would be afraid that my beautiful old house would be trashed. My eldest son and I will live together and the parents to be have their own residence. We all get along great and have lived together before with no problems. I'm taking my time before I make any big decisions. I know I will move but I'm taking my time in deciding just how I'm going to do it so I know I'll make the best decisions. Renting my house isn't off the table, nothing is, but I'd prefer to sell it if I can break even on the price. Thanks for such a thoughtful reply!!
• United States
6 Feb 12
You are so welcome! Good luck with your decision and it is great that you are not rushing into things. It is wonderful that you have all lived together before...that does take a lot of stress and being unsure out of the equation. With the economy breaking even is important. It is always better to make a little profit but as long as you don't owe after selling you are ahead of the game. We will be in the process of selling our home soon and hope for the best as you do with the sale. Good luck!
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@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
5 Feb 12
will be working when you move? will you be living with the family? in my hubby and my case, we are both 50, he works full time and i work part time and we have some extra gigs on the side. we do have debt but we are hoping to have it paid off within the next few years (our house as well), however, we have two teens to send to collage (our 18 year old is planning to go to college in Sept and is currently looking for grants, bursaries, etc) and we have a 14 year old. we do have a bit of savings plus we have an amount coming off our paychecques for retirement. i think it is better to have no debt with a little than to have debt. as the years go by, it will be harder to pay off the debt if you go the other way.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
My in-laws paid for 2 years of college for my boys. One kind of blew it off because he wasn't really interested (they put a time limit on it) and the other just isn't cut out for college, he wants to be in law enforcement. College isn't for everyone--sometimes a cheaper trade school or associates degree at a community college serves a better purpose. I hear your colleges are less expensive than ours but it's still a big, big expense! I think I'll go the "no debt with a little" way. Especially since at my age something bad could happen that would prevent me from making payments and that would be a mess!
@derek_a (10874)
5 Feb 12
When I was 58 I had a heart attack and wasn't very fit afterwards and it made it very difficult to work. I decided that the best thing to do was to get all my debts paid and it did leave me with little or no savings. I then had a choice, I could use the extra money to live or continue to make sacrfices and instead of paying my previous payments, I could put them in a savings account - and that is what I did (as you are contemplating doing) and I am still doing some 6 years later. I think I have learned to live more frugally and able to save. I live with the philosophy that we are not given anything in life that we cannot handle, even is it does feel that way at low periods. I hope sharing my experience will help you to come to a decision that best suits you. _Derek
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Thank you, Derek. I do know that I will never have to deal with more than I can handle with God's help. Someone made me think about the interest I'm paying on my debts and it is very high, I'll actually save money by paying off the debts. I'm leaning towards debt pay-off right now.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Hi Dragon, I'm 56. Unlike you...I don't have a house I could sell. If I did, I would sell it and pay off all my debts. I'm still in good health so I would work and live within my means debt free. You mentioned the possibility of substance abuse. Because of that, I would NOT live with them. I would live very near to them. I'm sure that because of your age that you could get an apartment that the rent would be based on 33% of your income. Even if you don't qualify...get your own place, however small,near to your grandchild. From what I'm reading here is that your priority should be to do whatever is needed to make sure that your grandchild is safe and has a safe place to be in the event that his home is not that place?? Get debt free and move so you can be there. All the rest will fall into place,I'm sure. Your are smart...you will figure this out...go with your heart. By the way, Congrats on the new grandbaby!!
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
5 Feb 12
your welcome. I hope it all goes well for you.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Thank you, Sid! They have settled into a new rental that they got a great deal on and I plan to rent within 2 miles of them where there are plenty of affordable rental houses. My other son will share some of the rent. Debt free is looking better and better--I wasn't sure a couple of days ago when I started this discussion but people have made me think about the interest I'm paying and how much freedom and lack of stress I'll have if I pay all this off. So I think that's what I will do. Thanks for jumping in and the good wishes!
@p1kef1sh (45681)
5 Feb 12
Everything that I have ever read about debt/savings says that it is better to have no debt and no savings than lots of debt and lots of savings. On that basis pay off your debt first. Also, current interest rates are so low that you don't gain very much by having a bank full of savings. I see that some have suggested that you rent your house. At least that way you maintain the capital. I don't understand thre US housing market very well and unlike here, it is easy to lose money on a house sale. If you intend spending the rest of your days in Az then sell and find a new house to buy there. Try not to lose your most valuable asset if you possibly can retain it. I admire your cause but please don't neglect yourself. If you do you will be of no use to anybody - chiefly YOU!
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
I'm not sure about renting the house but it's something I had not thought of and am considering. See how helpful myLotters are? If I do sell it and lose money, which I certainly will, it will be a great tax break--our taxes are even more incomprehensible than the real estate market and the rules may well change between the time I sell and when I could take advantage of a tax break! I will definitely take care--no quick moves and lots of thought and planning. Thanks!
• United States
5 Feb 12
If it were me, I would stay put. Grandparents do not have the right to insert themselves into how their grandchildren are being raised, except in a true case of abuse or neglect. It really isn't your choice as to whether your grandchild is in daycare. I plan to home school; my future MIL doesn't like homeschooling. Guess what? When we have kids, I will home school. My mother is of a different religion than I am. She doesn't understand why I'm converting. Guess what? I'm converting and raising our children in my faith. They don't get a vote on how we raise our children. You think there "may" be issues of substance abuse. Even if there are issues of substance abuse, what are you going to do about it? And if there isn't such an issue, what do you think the reaction to your allegations is going to be? Stay put. Focus on taking care of yourself. If the need for an alternative home for the child arises in the future, be in a position to care for him or her. However, in the meantime, don't alienate the parent(s) by inserting yourself into how the child is raised. Unless the child is clearly being abused or neglected, it really isn't your concern.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Well, that sounds very reasonable but that's not exactly how my family works. Both sons want me to come "home" and the mother-to-be thinks it's great that I want to keep the baby out of daycare. If I don't move back there, the new family will probably end up on public assistance and that's something both sides of my family would take as cause for shame because family could have helped them but didn't. I admire your independence and your commitment to do what you think is right for your own children. My sons and I have discussed this and we all agree that my moving will make all of us happy.
• United States
5 Feb 12
It's good that the parents want for you to be there. In some cases, grandparents try to get overly involved, which is why I tend to be wary of such situations. Being debt-free would be preferable in your situation. You can put your money into a variety of secure savings instruments (such as CDs) and invest a little in the market. It won't be much of a cushion for retirement, but, at least, you won't be carrying any debt with you into retirement.
@SimpleBB (1329)
• Philippines
5 Feb 12
Since you're just asking opinions if I were you in such situation? I would rather want to be debt free. You said that you made wrong decision before, if you are referring for a situation that put you in your situation now, turning between your uncertainties what to do, if you think that selling your house could cover all your debts and keep you at peace being with your grandchild, for me, I would do the same. I don't know how you incurred your debts, but being debt free will give you peace of mind instead of thinking you have a monthly obligations. Being debt free would be a great start to earn again. And you can do it if you have the happiness and contentment thinking that you're with your grandchild and no monthly obligations as well. But as usual, this is just an opinion if I were in your situation. It is still you who knows what best for you. GOod luck and happy mylotting.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Thank you, BB. My dilemma is that I'll probably lose money on the house and use my retirement funds to pay the balance and pay off my debts. I'm loathe to lose that money! But I think I would rather be financially free than obligated to pay debts on something I no longer own. Still thinking, but leaning toward paying off my debts.
@shibham (16977)
• India
5 Feb 12
Hi dear... I have a bank loan that i am paying the interest monthly and i am not so anxious about it as slowly it will be over. My dad has sold our house totally yesterday and we will shift to our new house in this week. No debt for sure, lol. have a nice time.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Thanks Shibham! A new house is always exciting and I hope you're all very happy there. And no debt makes it even better! Debt is like a disease that leaves people weak and ravaged.
@allknowing (130066)
• India
5 Feb 12
I would make a rough estimate of what I would need for my survival which is the most important part of this particular decision making process. My insurance would take care of my health liabilities. Having had a satisfying social life, I would cut down on expenses that socialising eats into. Retirement is more about spending time at home and doing things there that would keep one happily on one's toes. This would mean spending less on energy (petrol). The food bill needs to be reduced and why not. No more fast foods I suppose. A simple home cooked meal will again contribute to savings. I have not quite understood why you would want to move? Would you be planning to live with your son so that the baby is taken care of by you? That would mean that your son would have to foot your food bill. You could increase your repayment instalments and be debt free earlier and then rent out your apartment for additional income.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
It would benefit everyone for me to sell my house and return to my family. My son will be helping with the rent and my other son, the father-to-be, will have his own house but the baby can be brought over to me each day to care for while they work. I know well how to save money by cooking at home, etc., I've lived that way all my life. That's why I have so many options open to me!
@allknowing (130066)
• India
5 Feb 12
I was just trying to keep your asset as once it is sold you will never be able to get another and this asset once it is rid of debts could earn you something. Anyway you know what's best for you and my good wishes are with you.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
4 Feb 12
It depends on whether you are going to move to be near your grandchild or whether it will be where you live now. If it is the latter, stay in the house, take in boarders or renters (they'll need a separate entrance) and use the monies to pay down your debts. I would pay off what you can nevertheless, but that would not lead much left in case something goes wrong. The housing market is not that good for buyers now so you are between a rock and a hard place. You sell, and lose money or you do not sell and also lose money because the renter may also loose his or her job and be unable to pay.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
I'll be moving in the next 6-7 months definitely, no time to take in a renter. The problem will be selling the house without losing everything I have. It was dumb to buy a house but I really wasn't in my right mind, fresh from a divorce and I thought I was thinking clearly but I wasn't. Now I just have to make sure I minimize my losses!
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@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Why don't you file BK and start over. Sometimes things get even the best of us that try really hard to do it all "right". If you earned any kind of interest on savings, I'd say invest it but with 1/4th percent interest...all it does is make enough so you have that to pay the taxes on it at the end of the year. Children are important and I'd file BK if it meant keeping my kids and grandkids safe. I'm near your age...my life is on the down swing, but theirs is just starting. I'd give them my final years if it means they'll have a better life.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Feb 12
hi dragon given what you ha ve told us I think I would do the sanme were I in your shoes as you are just 57 and have time to save up money after getting debt free I know I would rather be debt free and just work a bit more for saving for retirement.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
It sure would be a load off my mind to have no debts. It's feels as if those debts are bars in a jail cell--because of the interest rates they go down very, very slowly! I just may get rid of them, the more advice I read and the more I think about it the more I'm convinced that I should.
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
5 Feb 12
In your case, I''df pay off the debts. My husband and I went through a problem very much like yours. We had a second mortgage on a house we owned when he got overseas orders. The house did not sell until we had already left the area. When it did sell, I was sent a check for what was left after the mortgage was paid off. It seemed like too much money to me. I questioned the agent in whose hands we had left the house. He assured me that everything was paid.A few weeks later, I started getting past due notices. The agent had not paid the loan we had taken out for the new kitchen I had installed. For the next 2 years. I had to make payments for a kitchen attached top a house we no longer owned. Sometimes it was hard to make those payments.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
5 Feb 12
I would have taken legal action against the guy--he did not live up to his end of the bargain and nearly ruined your credit! I was thinking about that, how it would feel to pay bills on a house I no longer lived in. And at 17% interest! The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that getting rid of those obligations will save me a lot of money.
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@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
4 Feb 12
hi dear dragon54u first of all I want to tell you how deeply touched I am by your post. Its awesome here you are nearing 60 and wanting to pitch in and help as you are going to be a grandma. You are even willing to sell the house and move across the country where ever to be there for the little one who will be born quite soon. Thats really awesome as some other mothers same age would have thrown a, see how you cope I had enough work with you, into the face of their kids when it comes to pregnancy. If I were in your shoes I would sure sell the house and be debt free even if my income is only modest and I would maybe then have to make do from day to day or week to week. I would simply prefer being debt free cause then this would be off my shoulders. Signing with admiration Ritter Sport
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
4 Feb 12
Thank you, Ritter Sport! My children are the most precious gifts that God ever gave me and I will do anything for them. Every day I raised them was a joy--well, and some aggravation but I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat! And I guess this is kind of like doing that. Being debt free will be wonderful if that's what I decide to do. I hate being in debt. And at least if there comes a day when I have nothing, I won't owe anyone.
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@beenice2 (2967)
• Sackville, New Brunswick
4 Feb 12
O.K, for what I see you're in better position that we are right now. We are bankrupt,only two month left of it,me and my husband ( 50 years of age)learned a lot from it and can tell you that I would choose to be debts free.
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