Circumcision & FGM(Female Genital Mutilation)- Morally/Ethically correct or not?

India
February 21, 2012 9:51am CST
Many of my fellow MyLotters must be familiar to the practices of circumcision and FGM in Islamic communities. (Those who have no idea of these terms are requested to google them before posting any response) Although i belong to a non Islamic religion but i am really very keen and curious to know about different religions and cultures. Now coming to the point, i want to my muslim fellows to enlighten all of us about the reasons behind these practices. It is worthy enough to mention here that the holy Quraan says that "EVERY THING IN THIS WORLD CREATED BY THE ALMIGHTY IS PERFECT" This statement inherently opposes any practice done in the name of religion which involves REMOVAL/MODIFICATION OR ALTERATION of ANYTHING or ANYBODY CREATED BY GOD. If it is true then why are these practices still being carried out?. What do you say fellows?
8 responses
@Galena (9110)
22 Feb 12
obviosly, I consider mutilation of the genitals by someone whose genitals they are not to be morally wrong. if an adult, for some bizarre reason, wants it done, that's up to them, but how can people think it's okay for a parent to decide to have their childs genitals mutilated. and where I come from even male circumcision is considered unusual and unneccesary. guess what. british men aren't constantly at the mercy of urine infections. that's a myth. they are as nature intended. if I had a son or daughter I would consider them perfect as they are, without cutting bits off their genitals.
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@urbandekay (18278)
21 Feb 12
These barbaric practices should be outlawed. Any medical operation is harmful and not justified unless the benefit outweighs the harm. Inflicting harm on someone who cannot give informed consent is abuse and anyone performing circumcision or allowing it to be performed on a child in their care should be arrested for child abuse all the best urban
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
25 Feb 12
I am very interested in the responses you get on this. Recently, I had to have a biopsy in that area. When the needle was inserted to deaden the spot, it hurt so bad that I screamed so loud that I was probably heard out in the parking lot. I thought about the little Muslim girls that have to go through the procedure with crude instruments and less than sterile conditions.It's against the law in the U SA and should be everywhere else,. too .
@vandana7 (98711)
• India
21 Feb 12
We cant know our religion in its entirety, how can we spend time thinking about another religion and its religious practices? :) I think this might hurt the sentiments of some - if they are not broad minded enough. Nevertheless, I do think there might be reasons behind all those customs. Agreed that many of those reasons are not valid in contemporary world, but dont we know that there is difference between the first rankers who memorize their text books, and the first rankers who score because they are intelligent? Priests of all religion come under the first category, while those who rationalize come under the second category. As to removal, modification, alterations, blah blah..god created umbelical cord, and we were not supposed to use the scissors to cut the baby away..imagine carrying the baby in that dangling position. There must've been reasons. They may have been too shy to discuss it all but most of the customs come up because of reasons. Most of the reasons are good, while some are bad. We got to delve deeper in the religion, which I doubt if we can.
• India
21 Feb 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31k6ddhTLTs Go to this link.You may succeed to encounter the other half of the coin.:)
@JohnRok1 (2051)
22 Feb 12
Vandana, was there nothing to cut the umbilical cord with before scissors were invented?
@JohnRok1 (2051)
22 Feb 12
Actually the first mums probably tore it off. What happens with animals in the jungle?
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@VRamone (325)
• Brazil
21 Feb 12
no need for both!!
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@JohnRok1 (2051)
22 Feb 12
In a book by a doctor named McMillan, titled "None Of These Diseases" it is stated that unless the male organ is regularly cleaned an uncircumcised male organ can carry some diseases (this statement may be out of date), therefore, for a nation living in conditions like those of ancient Israel (indeed, almost all ancient nations), male circumcision, once the risky procedure was over (and when done on the eighth day of life, the risks were very, very low) had a health benefit. Male circumcision was commanded to Jews and Islam took it over from them. The idea that circumcision for non-Jewish believers (Christians) was a spiritual necessity was rejected forcefully by the authentic leaders of the early Church and Gentile converts did not undergo circumcision. However, in the UK, particularly shortly after the second world war, when I was a boy, most British boys, certainly in my immediate environment, were circumcised (I write from my observations at the time). I would say male circumcision was ethically correct, particularly when done on or shortly after the eighth day of life, when it is safest (sometimes it actually has to be done later in life - Louis XVI of France is said to be an example of this), but there is no religious reason for Christians to have it done. Female Genital Mutilation, on the other hand, is always somewhat dangerous, is exclusive to Folk (as opposed to Qu'ranic) Islam, and probably originated somewhere like Sudan.
@vandana7 (98711)
• India
22 Feb 12
I was just citing an example that such separation of baby from mom is artificial as well. I agree about FGM. But there were many things our ancestors didn't know. And perhaps there were diseases at that point of time that we do not know much about today. So we can't really judge customs in any religion. They may have found the procedure to be effective against some problems. If the reason no longer exists, we shouldnt be following it. But then, everybody has rights to live as they wish. If the parents of the girl who undergoes such things do not have any objections, why should we. If they become literate enough, and understand that it is dangerous then they might rationalize. Till then, as far as religious customs are concerned, we do need to show some tolerance because such things are there in every religion, pagan or not.
@vandana7 (98711)
• India
22 Feb 12
Here ..I believe the choice is between one life and many lives. I mean if I go ahead and save hte leukemic child, I would create a rift which will lead to a few deaths without any leukemia, or other god sent ailments. Education, rationalizing, is the answer. I know it is difficult in many cases. I have a father who is 77 years old, and trust me, he is very hard to talk to. That does not mean I lock him up and take things in my hands. I try to find time and rationalize. Sometimes reason does override the superstition. We just have to wait for that moment and educate may be. Agreed it is a painful practice, and it needs to be stopped. But we need to see that more lives are not lost in process because of religious outrage.
@JohnRok1 (2051)
22 Feb 12
Yes, we do need to show some tolerance, but this should be modified when the life or health of a third party is endangered. Should we stand by, for instance, and watch the leukemic child of a "Jehovah's Witness" die because deprived of blood transfusions, which for leukemia in childhood, are often curative and cannot be replaced by the kind of alternative techniques used on JWs during surgery, for which a case can be made? Similarly, FGM is nothing but harmful, and I'm sorry to see it's used by Kurds, of all people. It should be easier to combat than most practices, because it has no Qu'ranic basis - I don't even think it's recommended in the Hadiths"!
• Philippines
23 Feb 12
I personally think that FGM is wrong.I mean what the hell?Does removing/altering makes women more women.As for male circumcision,93% of Filipinos undergo it between the ages of 10-13.They say whether they're circumcised or not it makes no difference.I don't know what to do when I have a son but I'll definitely not have him circumcised during infancy.His body,his choice!
• United States
22 Feb 12
Personally, I think male circumcision gives a cleaner look. As for women, some of the FGM really does get too out of hand (at least that is what I think), but as long as it doesn't harm the guy or girl later in life I don't see a problem with it. But in the grand scheme of things, there are better things to be wondering about other than mutilated body parts and the such. ;)