Non-union library employees here just got a pay raise!

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
February 21, 2012 5:05pm CST
Unfortunately, I am in a class of employee where I am FORCED to be in a union. Thanks to my inept union, there haven't been any pay raises in over 4 years. Meanwhile the director, and other upper management, non-union employees got an 8% raise. Boy those union dues, which doubled last year, are sure doing a lot for me. Tell me again, why is it GOOD for employees to be forced into a union?
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@crossbones27 (48417)
• Mojave, California
22 Feb 12
I hear what you are saying and is not right but many non union jobs are like this too or worse. I use to work for a place where I did not get a raise for more than 4 years and upper management always made extra commission off the company profits plus there base pay. My sister has only had 1 raise in the last 5 years, and it was like a 50 cents cost of living raise. She has been with them for more than 15 years. At least she gets profit sharing at the end of each year though. Where I worked they did not even give us that, because it all went to the executives. The CEO of where I worked use to deliberately not give raises because it would come out of his commissions earnings. We had this Hispanic guy who was a great worker that we had hired like 6 months before. In the company manual it clearly stated that people are supposed to get mandatory raises after a certain time period as long as they are doing there job. It just did not say how much, so he gave the guy a 10 cent raise. That guy worked there for about 2 more weeks and quit. I can understand if a company is going through a rough time and just can't afford to give raises. If that is the case let your employees know and I am sure they will understand, may not like it, but will deal with it. When a company is clearly profitable and just hoarding money for the top people, it is not right. The Manuel labors are the backbone of your company. If you take care of them they will take care of you. National Geographic did a study about peoples incomes. They concluded that yes, people are more happy when they make more money, but only up to 75,000 a year. That is because at 75,000 a year you can live very comfortable and and do not have to worry about your finances on top of your daily routine worries. They have everything they need. They said people who make a million dollars a year or no more happy than people who make at least 75,000 a year. They think they our, but from the study they were clearly no more happy than people who made 75,000 a year. My point is if people would quit being so greedy I think this country would be a lot better place to live and the world for that matter. You only need so much in this life. Anything else is just flaunting your success in my opinion.
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• Mojave, California
22 Feb 12
I would say so since, many jobs are starting everyone out at minimum wage no matter how smart, or their experience.
• United States
22 Feb 12
Yeah, that sucks, and that's why people are basically making less now than they were 10 years ago after you adjust for inflation. Then to add that all the people who lost their jobs and the people recently coming into the market are going to make a lot less when they find jobs, so even if you're not getting a raise you're probably making more than any new hires in the same field.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
21 Feb 12
I thought unions were able to strong arm employers into giving them anything they wanted. Does your union ever negotiate, or did they sign a long term contract and can't until it's up? What kind of a union are you in? Personally, I prefer right to work, but I have mixed feelings about union states becoming RTW. It's nice having less competition when foreign companies come looking for somewhere to build.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Feb 12
The union was able to do some strong-arming back in 2004 when the economy was better, but that contract expired in 2008. Since then they've literally done nothing but double the dues we are forced to pay in. I don't know what you mean exactly by what type of union. It's a union that is specific to library employees in this county. In two weeks when my promotion goes into effect I'll actually be in a different, equally useless union since I'll be moving from a circ management position to a senior librarian position. I'll take right to work any day. I have never seen a union that I wanted to be a member of and the one union I've been forced to join so far has done absolutely nothing for me.
• United States
22 Feb 12
As much as Unions aren't good, right to work sucks too, especially when employers know how bad people need jobs. They really tend to abuse the employees, even to the point of not being legal because no one is willing to risk losing their job. I used to leave my house at 3pm get home at 9am and get paid for about 12 hours of work even though the commute was only 30 minutes. I lost 5 hours for split shifts and other junk that we technically didn't have to get paid for so we didn't. Then we'd have meetings at noon. So we'd get paid for 1 hour, but basically lose our entire night of sleep. It'd be like if you 8-5 people had a meeting at midnight. Then of course as soon as they don't need you, you're fired for some stupid reason, no unemployment, no nothing, just a lot of free time and no income. It can really suck, you basically give up your entire life and all you have to show for it is a $500 check for half a month of your life, barely enough to pay just rent in most places.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
22 Feb 12
There are unions in right to work states. Its just not forced on you. The employees can choose if they want to unionize.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
22 Feb 12
A friend of mine is the manager of several warehouses and the employees just decided to disassociate with the Teamsters Unions. Guess what productivity went up, profits went up, sick days went down and the workers, thanks to evil management got a nice pay raise in addition to not having to pay Union Dues. That is how the Union Helps you. With out the Union these workers were forced to take a pay raise and on their own they worked harder or more efficiently. Just think the very idea of paying workers more because the company makes more profit. Taskr if it weren't for your Union Dues all those Union officals would have to get a real job and work is that what you want?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Feb 12
If you're in a forced union state you don't have a choice. It doesn't matter which library I work for. Unions have a stranglehold on all of them in New Jersey.
• Mojave, California
22 Feb 12
Please forgive me if I sound ignorant on unions as I have never worked for one. Can you move to a different state where all libraries are not unionized or maybe drive to NYC if they have non-unionized libraries? If not that then get a petition going. You might make some people angry but if you are that unhappy.
• Mojave, California
22 Feb 12
I just don't get why if these unions are so terrible, why do people work for them? I know times are hard and its hard to get another job, but if you are that unhappy why not just quit.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
23 Feb 12
Yeah, I am forced into a Union or I guess I could quit my job and go somewhere else. It isn't a bad job the Union how ever likes to defend the non-workers (The unproductive don't show up kind) this is what has gotten me to the point where its like what happened to the whole Idea that Unions protected the hard working workers from the managers abusing them. That is what Unions are suppose to do but as I am sure even you have seen isn't the case. I think it is far better for both the Union and the Employee if they have the ability to join the Union if they choose that way the Union has to do more for its members to keep people joining. Competition is good for both parties involved. Union members would have a choice to choose to be union members so the Union gains members who choose to be members. Then the Members would get a Union that wants to get and create as many reasons as possible for you to join the Union. They would have to listen to their members complaints and actually work to keep the employees happy.
• Mojave, California
23 Feb 12
That is the biggest complaint I have heard about unions here in California. I have been told its great job security. A little to good because they can't get rid of the disgruntled ones that are there just to play the system and collect a paycheck. There are ways around that though. If I was a supervisor and had a problem with these types of employees. I would do what the military does, since they are more or less in the same boat since people are on 4 to 6 year contracts. Anytime you have a crappy job that needs to needs get done the disgruntled employee would be doing those, until they aren't disgruntled no more or get fed up and quit.
@Kenorv (343)
• United States
23 Feb 12
Unions do seem like they're doing more harm than good. I do think that there needs to be protective measures in place to prevent employers from treating their employees unfairly but it doesn't appear that unions are the answer to that. The best example recently is the Boeing plant that is being built in South Carolina, a right to work state. Boeing already has a plant in Washington State a union sate. And of course the union for the Boeing employees complained to the National Labor Relations Board and the NLRB tried to block Boeings new plant even though Boeing was just looking to expand and not move their Washington State plant to South Carolina. Ultimately the union settled with Boeing and Boeing has agreed to a new 4 year contract with the union but it just shows how ridiculous union complaints can be. Unions shouldn't be allowed to dictate where businesses can and cannot build factories but in this case it almost happened. Again, I'm all for protecting workers' rights, I just don't think unions are the way to do it.
• United States
22 Feb 12
My question is, who makes more after that raise, the union or non-union employees?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Feb 12
Non-union make more by far, but that's not simply because they are non-union, it's because the only people allowed to be non-union are the higher level employees. The rest of us are forced to be in unions.
• United States
22 Feb 12
Then maybe the union does more for you than you think. If you weren't in a Union you'd probably be making just over minimum wage, as most non-union employees make anymore. You'd be amazed at how hard it is to find a descent job these days even with a clean record and college education.
• United States
22 Feb 12
In California, it's not that bad, but I guess it is in other states. In California, they actually have gotten a raise in the last two or three years, and they have some great health care benefits.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
22 Feb 12
To be honest, I can't give you any reasons why I think that being forced into a union is a good thing. I have always thought that the dues were as much as the difference in pay between union and non union workers. The fact that they go through lay-offs here 6 months out of the year kinda defeats the purpose of their higher pay scale for the same work that a non union worker makes. Unions are not highly promoted in my area. They have seemed to do far more damage to the companies here than good for the members. I have to say that I haven't had personal experiences with a union but I have had friends that were members who weren't very happy with their conditions. I don't think I would like to be forced into anything career wise. I hope they are able to compensate you as well as the others you mentioned. Do you have other choices where you live?
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
21 Feb 12
Just do it, damn-it, The union knows best! Right?