Individual Mandate/Gallup Poll in Wake of Supreme Court Hearings

@debrakcarey (19924)
United States
March 26, 2012 1:12pm CST
A Gallup Poll shows 72 % of Americans think the individual mandate (the part of Obamacare that says you MUST buy health insurance or pay a fine)is Unconstitutional. Then Gallup breaks it down by party affiliation: Democrats: 37% say it is Unconstitutional Independents: 70$ say it is Unconstitutional Republicans: 94% say it is Unconstitutional The same poll shows that only 20% of those would STRONGLY OPPOSE a repeal attempt by a Republican President. Why are we doing this? Why was this law passed? If 37% of Democrats say it is unconstitutional, WHY was it passed?
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@GardenGerty (97908)
• United States
27 Mar 12
I have no idea why it passed. It has sounded very unpopular all along. I feel like the wrong people were allowed to vote. It obviously is not the will of the people.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Mar 12
Back room, middle of the night is what Mike Huckabee called it, that process by which Obamacare was passed. Nancy Pelosi said we'd have to pass it to know, well they did and now we know.
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@dragon54u (31605)
• United States
27 Mar 12
Gerty, it was passed because the president had his lackeys bully the congressmen, threaten and cajole them and promises were made to insure re-elections. Deals on future bills were made. I have heard that when bribes did not work, threats were made. Mostly it was assurance of re-election that made the bill pass. This is why we MUST insist on term limits. The Founders never meant for anyone to serve more than 1 term in congress. Look at the corruption we have--most of it would not be there if there was a limit of one term per person.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Mar 12
I'm listening now to an explanation alot like what dragon relates here. Promises were made, threats given. I agree, term limits are a good idea.
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@2004cqui (2823)
• United States
26 Mar 12
This is true and correct! What I'm waiting for is the logistics! When we have unemployment still at about 10%. In Minnesota alone there are now 15% of children in poverty. Entire families are housed in poverty/homeless facilities. I'm waiting for the day they start fining these people. Unconstitutional? How about the disabled in poverty? This should end up blowing up in their faces! Our neighbors, our friends, and the children will be placed even deeper in poverty. Can we say "third world country"? Can we say "socialist"? This insults the United States citizen on so many levels it turns my stomach!
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 Mar 12
I just finished reading the book by Jonathan Cahn, Harbinger. A warning, that is what a Harbinger is. Do you believe God is warning America to turn collectively from sin? Is this why we are about to fall financially?
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@bagarad (11776)
• Paso Robles, California
26 Mar 12
Yes. God is trying to bring us back to our knees. Look at our culture. Why should God bless America at this point in history? Look at the church itself, where judgment is supposed to begin? God doesn't tolerate sin, nor calling evil good and good evil. Isn't a lot of that also going on in America today? A wise man once said we get the government we deserve. Americans elected a president and congress that don't care what those who elected them think. We have Obamacare because of political shenanigans pulled by congressmen in back room deals when they knew the American people didn't want it. Some of those congressmen were reelected. If the American people care so little for their country that they keep reelecting such leadership, we won't need to be conquered from without. We will be conquered from within. This election is our last chance. And the deck is stacked against honest citizens with the new attacks on state attempts to stop voter fraud by asking for photo ID, and unprosecuted intimidation of voters. Our justice department has become the department of injustice and is racially motivated. If you care, get in touch with your local tea party and volunteer to help prevent voter fraud. If things are bad now, imagine what will happen when Obama doesn't need to worry about being elected again. He will continue to bring about his "change" and we the people will be without much hope as he trashes our Constitution without hindrance. Saying it can't happen here won't keep it from happening here.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Mar 12
He had another 'open mike' moment with the president of Russia, he said; I can be more flexible after I'm reelected...talking about missle defense I believe. Funny what we learn when Obama doesn't know we are listening. We MUST win this fall.
@matersfish (6311)
• United States
29 Mar 12
The more I've been thinking about this, the more I want the Supreme Court to uphold the law. Now, I do believe it's unconstitutional. But when people elect their representatives and send them to Congress, and when people vote in various propositions, etc, I don't think we should look to the courts to bail us out if we don't like it. If people are worried about it, get rid of the Democratically controlled Senate, vote out Obama, and push for a repeal. Judicial activism is something the progressives love when they realize too few Americans share their brand of idiocy. This is reminding me of California. It's an awesome setup they have there -- if you're a progressive liberal! Ballot initiatives one after the other, we'll let the "people" vote for what they want. Oh, but wait a minute -- if it's not something the uberprogressives want, when it's something they realize they f'd up on, then is goes to the all-progressive, all-the-time court to be overturned or passed. They've set it up that way, so people feel like they matter, but they really don't. I just don't want the same thing on a national level. I don't want the American people to keep feeling as if their votes matter, only to have politicians play a game of chess in maneuvering courts in their party's favor so that any law at any time can become part of America or shot down based on cronies in robes. The only reason it was ever passed to begin with is that Obama was still relatively fresh and no one knew the final result would be a bill that none of the idiots who voted for it even read! It wasn't until the very end that Princess Pelosi spilled the beans on her and her party's way of thinking: "We have to pass it to know what's in it." At that time, people were still believing that Obama was going to close GITMO and be a positive force for race relations and would actually cut the debt and spending. People thought they TPers were all just racists who didn't know wtf they were talking about. So the Dems were never being pressured not to vote or to at least change things in it. People were too trusting that this time around things would be different. FAIL.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
29 Mar 12
I understand your point, I've read The Tempting of America; the Political Seduction of the Law by Robert Bork. You remember him, the progressives wouldn't allow his seating on the Court, he was to 'conservative'. I do not believe the Supreme Court should be legislating. We agree. But their job IS to determine the Constitutionality of law that is passed, don't you agree?
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• United States
30 Mar 12
My issue is that it's too broad a context with such a massive law to go in and legislate which parts of the law should be enacted or withheld, if the law should pass or fail as a whole, or if anything at all needs to be changed. In order to rule on the Constitutionality of one of the law's mandates, the entire law has to be deciphered. It seems like the Supreme Court is going to do what Democrats never gave anyone else a chance to do. So on one hand, that is a good thing. On the other hand, it is not up to the Supreme Court to legislate. That's the job of legislators. This case is unique. So I'm not entirely opposed to the idea. But I would much rather just leave the Supreme Court out of it and repeal or rework the legislation with a new Senate and new President.
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@TheCatLady (4695)
• Israel
27 Mar 12
The mandate is overreaching. As an expat, I don't need American health insurance. If I travel to America, I buy vacation coverage from my health fund in my country.Obama wants expats to either buy coverage or pay a fine/tax or whatever you want to call it. But the kicker is even if I pay he yearly fine for not being covered, I can't use the system if I'm there on vacation. I find that unfair. First off I don't need to be in a health system in a country that I don't live in. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Mar 12
wow, you're kidding me. How can he tell you what you have to do if you are not a citizen anymore?
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• Israel
27 Mar 12
I am a citizen. I have dual citizenship. I'm not a resident anymore. There are tens of thousands American citizens living abroad. He wants all of them to pay the tax fine. Tough tittiez. I'm not paying it. It's unfair taxation. What's the worst he can do? Take away my citizenship? Big deal. I have citizenship were I live and I am eligible for citizenship in the EU through Italy if I want to move there and claim it.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Mar 12
I wish I had that many options. I'm stuck here. I'm not paying it either, nor will I get the standard health insurance. I work part time, and my deductible is higher than what I make in three months. I won't see a bit of the '80%' they will pay after I meet it. Another gift from Obamacare, I work in medical records now, for 20 years I worked in direct care, in nursing, as a med tech. I took care of AIDS patients, hep B patients and all kinds of other highly contagious patients. I never took a vaccine and never got sick or infected. Now, that I'm in the back office so to speak, I will be forced to take a hep B vaccine or loose my meager little job. Won't do that either, not going to take a vaccine. The last one I got was when I was ten. And I'm free to take the risk if I want.
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@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
27 Mar 12
Not really surprising as about that many supported the Public Option which means a majority was against the idea of forcing people to get something they didn't want to get. The big thing was that Health Insurance Companies wanted the mandate which is obvious as to why they would want such a thing. Good for business when everyone has to have coverage or get fined hundreds or thousands of dollars.
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@dark_joev (3043)
• United States
28 Mar 12
Sadly you are correct Congress has long ago left being a place where Solutions could be found to the issues facing the country. They have become the problems facing the country.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Mar 12
I'm pleased we agree dark_joey.
@dawnald (84131)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 Mar 12
I agree that this part of the bill is wrong. but I suspect it passed because the majority felt that the good parts outweighed the bad. Not all of it was bad...
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Mar 12
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/01/27/losing_the_future_the_grim_realities_of_obamacare_and_social_security And how are we to know, seeing as no one read it before they passed it? That in itself is scary, and unheard of for such major legislation. Social security is operating on a deficit. $45 million more is paid out than revenues cover. This bill add trillions to our already unsustainable debt, which btw is about to crash the system once again, for the third time in a little over ten years. http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/28965/shocker-senate-democrats-admit-obamacare-will-increase-premiums/guy-benson Doctors are leaving private practice or leaving practice altogether. It made the already overburdened healthcare system, (from regulation)even more regualated and driving healthcare providers to give up. There is already a nurse and GP shortage, now they're leaving practice even faster. So, tell me the good parts? Less providers, longer waits, higher costs, more debt, forcing the church to pay for abortion pills against their concience. I really don't see anything good about this bill dawnald.
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@bagarad (11776)
• Paso Robles, California
26 Mar 12
I guess I said most of this when I responded in the first square. It was passed because congressmen let themselves be pressured into voting for it with empty promises that weren't kept. It was passed because congressmen did not insist on having a bill complete with lots of time to read and analyze it before they voted. It was passed because Harry Reid used the process of reconciliation in an unprecedented manner to avoid needing the larger number of votes that they normally need to pass it. It was passed because of dirty politics. If we keep reelecting these people who did this to Congress, we will get more of the same. The American people need to make their voices heard loudly in the upcoming elections. Vote in the primaries. Vote in your local elections where future national candidates come from. Bug your elected officials and keep bugging them. Don't take this sitting down. If you do, it will soon be too late to stand up to this corruption and tyranny.
• United States
27 Mar 12
I so totally agree with wverything you stated in both your posts. We are very quickly having our rights and freedoms taken away. Thanks for putting my feelings into words.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
29 Mar 12
you're very welcome.