" It's Legal but it is not right!" ( Should gay marriage be legal?)

United States
May 13, 2012 10:17am CST
This is the phrase a conservative said about abortion while he was trying to explain about his opposition to gay marriage. It made me smile Why? Because that is all that is needed, for the law of the land to recognize gay marriage as legal! Then the self proclaimed righteous can argue how sinful it is! It is so sad that many are not seeing that the ability to marry is a right everyone is born with. Not everyone is a Christian so they are not restricted by what the Bible says. Besides if given the choice of living with the person they love Or having to remain with a church, many would pick the former! Luckily many see it the way I do, if you want to marry , then marry. You have the right to lose half your stuff like Everybody else! Your thoughts.
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@jambi462 (4599)
• United States
14 May 12
I think that the ignorance of conservaites can only last for so much longer, honestly it's the 21st century and we still haven't learned to actually live with equality after all this time. I don't understand how people can live their lives affected by others and what makes them happpy so much. Seriously some people just need to let it go and realize that what other people do in their lives doesn't affect them most of them time in the least. However all of the conservative people that aren't even trying to see the world in a different way because some guy that wrote the bible is trying to say that gay marriage is wrong. If that's the only reason that people have to base their belief off of they need to reanalyze how they see the subject. What would god really want, people to hold people back from true happiness, or would god want us to accept people and live without judgment for our fellow man, I think that any divine source of energy would want us to work towards a world of acceptance and love.
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• United States
14 May 12
But I see they are afraid G-d will destroy us all because there are gay people. Read bagarad"s post on this page. How sad. Gay people are not going away. and they are already living as married And raising children. the ultra religious must not know this. Plus they assume Everyone is a Christian. Wrong! It is so sad.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
15 May 12
No, God will not destroy all of us. He will however judge all of us. ALL of us. Not just the homosexual, but ALL of us. Some will miss His mercy because of a hardened heart, including the... as you call them, 'the ultra religious'. Being religious is not what gets you any closer to your creator. There are two sides to this issue, the legal as in laws of man, and the spiritual, as in the laws of God. You have the right to live how you see fit. But that doesn't negate the laws of God one bit. As I've heard it said, you may think you can fly like a bird, but the law of gravity still operates, and you will fall. Actually, I am all for legality, according to the laws of man. I struggle with the thought of let them live how they want and God will sort it out. BUT, as a loving person, I find it extremely difficult to not warn people of God's judgment, and offer them His mercy. It is not hateful to do so, it is actually because I LOVE people that I do.
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• United States
16 May 12
That's fine. But not everybody believes in Your G-d. So they may not be grateful for the warning. the statement that got me to start this post is perfect. Gay marriage should be legal. The righteous can call it wrong All they want . Just as long as gay people have their rights.
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@GreenMoo (11842)
14 May 12
I really can't get my head around why so many heterosexual people are getting so riled up about gay marriage. What's it got to do with them anyway?! What business is who you marry / live with / sleep with to anyone else?
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• United States
14 May 12
Read bagard's post on this page. It is so sad. They fear that they will be blamed for letting gay people be themselves.Like they think they can scare them into being " normal" Sorry They Are normal. Luckily many of the young could care less about this issue And they are not ultra religious. This issue is about civil rights , not religion.And as soon the courts see it that way , it will be legal.And if not, I think pretty soon marriage Will suffer. many straight couples won't marry either.
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• United States
15 May 12
That's the whole point.I'm not in your ship, I am not a christian. your G-d does not want me because I'm for gay rights. I am damned for supporting a woman;s right to choose. How can you be blamed for me being unwelcomed in your church? Why should gays get pushed to the back of this ship? Why can;t they have a happy life now? Just because you see us all in this ship together? So I guess you would want women to owned by their husbands so G-d won't be pi$4ed off . Sorry We all have free will . Not everyone is Christian so all these Biblical reasons are mute. Besides Only the true Christians matter anyway right?
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• United States
15 May 12
In your story, the righteous will first throw the gays overboard, then women who are not married and then the married women who are pro choice and then all the non Christian families and then all the " right" people will make it. We are not in the same ship . We Can't be. We are not equal to the Christians. they show it by trying to forbid us from living the way we want. Sorry Pretty soon we will be protected under the law. All the gays will be able to live openly, Roe V Wade isn't going anywhere And All non Christians will remain here too. So it will be the " righteous" sailing away. Hey maybe then you can pray for our destruction from a safe distance!
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@youless (84924)
• Guangzhou, China
14 May 12
In fact I agree to the gay marriage. Although it seems this issue has nothing to do with me, but I try to imagine those gays who love each other deeply but they can't get married legally. This is very sad. I think the marriage is based on the love at first, rather than the religion, wealth and so on. I love China
• United States
14 May 12
Well said!
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@Suebee (2013)
• Canada
14 May 12
Yes marriage is based on love but how can it NOT be based on religion when it is a religious ceremony (for most people)?? I'm not saying that I am for or against gay marriage (that will come in a later post) but to say marriage is NOT based on religion is wrong. In most countries, for most people it is performed in a RELIGIOUS ceremony, by a priest, minister or whatever you call the representative of your church, and is most often performed in a RELIGIOUS venue such as a chapel or church.
• United States
15 May 12
No Suebee, not all marriages are based in religion. There are any atheists that are married. They got married at city hall , not church. And there couples who are following different religious paths so they have a civil wedding ceremony.
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@inertia4 (26324)
• United States
14 May 12
Look, I am for gay marriage. Like you said, if they want to be taken to the cleaners then thats cool. LOL. But seriously. I support gay marriage. They should have the same rights everyone else has. Who's to say what it right or wrong. Religion should have nothing to do with any of this. I know you will have those religious yahoo's opposing it, but if you took a look a the big picture, they are the first ones that have more skeletons in their closet then anyone else. Especially those born again ones. It irritates me to no end that these people hate gay people. They also hate black people. It is s strange to to me. What if one of their children were gay? Would they take them out is the back woods and shoot them? Man, this country is go friggin' backwards. It makes me sick.
• United States
14 May 12
Many born again Have gay children . And many others too.I think that is how we have gone from gay being a bad word to having the president saying in public that he supports gay marriage. There are more people who know And respect a gay person.So it is personal. Back in the day , everyone Had to be in the closet so many knew nice, decent gay people but they didn't know they Were gay! To answer your question. many born agains have disowned their gay kids. Like they have when they " marry wrong" It is their loss. And they have the right to feel he way they do but they do not have the right to withhold the rights of gay people. Just like it took a law to overturn the laws against interracial marriage, the will be a law to make gay marriage legal.
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@inertia4 (26324)
• United States
14 May 12
I hope so. It would be nice for the gay community to have total freedom. As for interracial marriage, those yahoo's are also against that as well. i see nothing wrong with that either. It is up to the individual. Not the masses. No one has the right to tell us who to like or love in this world. And color is another thing that should not matter. And still to this day there are those people that still hate people of color. What a shame. And what morons. LOL. We live in America, this is a melting pot for everyone. This is supposed to be the land of freedom, but it is not. It is supposed to be a place where everyone is created equal, I guess not. America is one big lie. It is also hypocritical. Things do have to change here.
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• United States
15 May 12
No we will get there. $0 years ago it was only a dream to have a black president. and back then Interracial marriage was illegal in many states. We will get it together. Gays marriage Is coming. All those small minded bigots can just take a flying F@ck at a rolling donut!
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@Bluedoll (15589)
• Canada
13 May 12
In Canada, parliment passed the bill a long time ago. Not really sure how this in practice is working out but there are other things to think about besides marrage and whether the legal parts are right or wrong. Children! I love God and Jesus Christ is a wonderful example of what to follow and you know I do read the bible. I think this is what God cares about... people. He loves you regardless. I think if you do not have love in a marrage, it is doomed. Regardless of legal or not. If two people love each other they have a really strong case .. "What God has joined let not man .." That is a biblical point of view of my thoughts on the matter.
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• United States
13 May 12
I think this is Why gay marriage Has to be legal. There are many gay couples who are raising children together. They Are a family. They Have the right to make it legal like Everybody else. See if they can't , many kids will see marriage as a rite Only for the ultra religious and then they won't marry even if they are straight! It is kinda of funny how people try to make these rules may just make it worse for their side in the end.
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@Bluedoll (15589)
• Canada
14 May 12
I don't know if it is really a side though as much as society in change. Sure ultra religious as you describe it will attempt to influence a vote in a certain direction but this does not mean they have the power to change laws, government does that. I was trying to point out that as far as God is concerned love is what is required and this might be the ultra goal. The question of law on the other hand comes down to being a practice and changes society. Sure all children need is love and security. We can only wait to see how any changes might affect children. It does take time.
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• United States
14 May 12
In America there is a great divide between government and the people. The government is always behind. There are many who are for gay marriage, about 53% I am told. But the ones who are for it don't vote, the young. The ones who are against it group up and give their support only to the candidates that feel the same. Usually these are older people. The problem? It is the young they need to see things the way they do.The government can keep gay marriage illegal but it may backfire. The young have good B.S. indicators and some may say if their gay sister or brother can't marry neither will they.
@cupkitties (6689)
• United States
13 May 12
" Not everyone is a Christian so they are not restricted by what the Bible says." and the sooner the law makers realize that the better. People were supposed to have come to our country seeking religious freedom because they did have it else where and yet here they are forcing people to follow their belief the same as was done to their ancestors before. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
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@syramoon (655)
• United States
13 May 12
Absolutely agree with you there. We're a country that raves about our first amendment rights, but all our laws seem to make sure one particular religion is satisfied.
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• United States
13 May 12
No syramoon, our laws are Suppose to protect the minority in religion , race and gender. and this is why gay marriage will soon become a federal law . Why? Because it is about the rights of people , not religion. We are on our way.
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@syramoon (655)
• United States
14 May 12
I surely hope so.
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@MoonGypsy (4615)
• United States
13 May 12
i couldn't have said it better myself. all marriage is a legal binding contract between you, the person, and the state. i don't know why fight for that right to screw yourself legally, but if you want that right you should have it.
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@Bluedoll (15589)
• Canada
13 May 12
I can not help myself MoonGypsy this has to be the funniest comment ever!! I can't stop laughing Oh, you do mean all marriages right? Too funny. By the way are you single?- only joking so you know
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• United States
13 May 12
Kinky Friedman said gay people have the right to be miserable just like everybody else. I agree 100%
@ajk111 (2527)
20 May 12
this whole marriage debate should never include gay rights. the whole point should be is 'marriage' a correct institution? if it is it includes all forms of marriage.
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• United States
20 May 12
Well if you ask me , I think marriage is a prison for both gay and straight people, lol1 But ,any marry and are happy. so gay couples should be able to marry too.
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@JenInTN (27565)
• United States
19 May 12
I think that your right. Losing half your stuff should be an equal opportunity. I think that this issue goes far beyond any law. No matter the law, people just want to be happy. The right to marry will complete some people while with others it won't. Same with anyone I guess. I think it is more having the option to do so than it is the marriage itself that people want.
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• United States
20 May 12
that's it, All people have the right to choose to marry. many will not marry , gay or straight!But all couples should have the choice.
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@blue65packer (11835)
• United States
14 May 12
I agree that gay amrriage should be legal. I believe gays should have all the rights as a straight person! Even the change of lossing half their stuff if they end up in a divorce! So many people are upset becasue they look at it as a religious issue. What is mentioned in the bible is not alot and I know some people who believe every word in the bible! The bible is made up of a lot of stories that are not true and alot of the time lines of some stories are way off! (Thanks to reaserachers studying the bible) It is up to the state to decide on legelizing gay marriage. It really is not up to the church which people make it out to be! I think gay marriage will become more mainstream once another generation is gone! Not our generation of course! So many people are closed minded and think this is a sin! To me being closed minded is a sin and so is believing every word in the bible! That is my opinion!
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• United States
14 May 12
If it is a sin , that's fine! So is eating pork, shopping on a Sunday Or working on one! Just make it legal. Many assume everyone is a Christian, Wrong. And if it were a choice , many would choose love over the church.
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@vandana7 (55373)
• India
13 May 12
@ "You have the right to lose half your stuff like Everybody else! I do not belong to America. So I cant be as advanced a society as you all are. And I have seen homosexual people in their act at a wrong age. I did find it repulsive. But and that is a big but. They too may find something that I do repulsive. So it is their life. Frankly, I would feel safe with gays and wouldnt mind them being in my home because they would be better equipped to look after me. And nature does allow this so why are we objecting? Surely nature is the ruler here.
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• United States
14 May 12
Me, I love to see Any couple kiss, be it man- woman, woman-woman, man- man. Love is love. And your last sentence says it all. " Nature does allow this so why are we objecting"?
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• United States
13 May 12
I saw this saying, "make sure you are perfect before you judge me". What a person does and how he/she lives is between them and God. No ones business but their own. And anyone who thinks that they are perfect needs to take a good long look in the mirror. I wish people would stop judging others and just get along. I love everyone and pray for them. Life is short so why worry about what others are doing or not doing. Who are they to tell anyone how to live? Just because they think it's right doesn't mean it is! If everyone would pray instead of judging, this world would be a much better place. God made us all different for a reason. Love conquers all!
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• United States
13 May 12
. I wish everyone could just be and not judge! It would be wonderful.
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@berting600 (3461)
• Philippines
13 May 12
That is a law made by man to make it legal,yet it is still not allowed by God that marrying with the same gender maybe accepted by God but the ways they provide intimacy is never allowed under Gods laws.It is better they just not become a family because it is never accepted by society even if society do not insult their lifestyle but God do not give them grace but have all the burdens they can not deny.
• United States
13 May 12
But many don't want G-d's grace, they just want to be married. And since in your G-d's eyes they are damned and won't make it to heaven, shouldn't they get the chance to be happy here? And in many society Do accept gay couples and their children. This is all about the law , not religion.
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@marguicha (76289)
• Chile
17 May 12
Marriage is a society that provides care for both people. It is man made, as all laws and it changes according to cultures. I think that one thing is what a Church says and quite another what the laws of a coutry say. And laws in a country should protect everyone, no matter what race, religion or gender they have.
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• United States
17 May 12
Dare I say it? Amen! That is why the statement hit me, It is so true.To many it is wrong , but it Must be legal!
@marguicha (76289)
• Chile
17 May 12
To many, along the years, it has been wrong to have interracial marriages.. In my country we don´t have as many reces as in the US, but still, there are people who think you should marry within your racial or social group. Several decades ago, I remember two good movies that had Sidney Poitier as one of the actors. One was "To Sir, with love" and the other "Guess who is coming to dinner". Both touched racial problems which are not as difficult now. But they haven´t been solved yet. I wish we´d remember to respect our fellow men.
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• United States
17 May 12
The power of film! I know and love both of these films. Another where race is a supporting cast member starring Sidney is A Patch Of Blue.You are so right, some people need to see how silly these so called taboos are. Thankfully the kids get it. As kids I mean anyone 25 and younger. They see gay as being a part of a person , not some bad habit. And they have friends who have parents who are of different hues and they are cool with that too. It is wonderful!
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
15 May 12
I laughed at that last line. I will clear up a misconception about the Bible, just because you are not Jewish or Christian does not mean the Word of God does not apply to your life. And IF the Bible IS the Word of God, it was intended for all humans who were all created in His image. IF God is real, and many who are not Christian or Jewish believe He is, would he not want to communicate with His creation? I've read many sacred scriptures of differing faiths, looking for a nugget of truth where I could find it. You may have a differing opinion on who or what God is, but GOD is the final say in who HE is. It is a matter of finding out for yourself if the Bible is the Word of God to man. Now, about gay marriage. Marriage is ordained of God for the raising of children in a safe, secure, loving home according to the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. Since man and woman joining-usually bring forth children, it has always been that marriage is between a man and a woman. In our 'civilization', homosexuals now can adopt or bring children from previous heterosexual unions into a new union. It is complicated to change millinea of traditon and many who feel very strongly on both sides have valid points. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. But the civil issues I can also sympathize with, such as the right to visit a loved one in the hospital or having insurance companies recognize a person as family if that is the role they play in someone's life. Sinful? Government legislates morality all the time, laws against 'sin' exist. We have laws against sin all over the place. lol So, philosophically, government can and does play a role in morality of itsw people. Many belief systems make homosexuality taboo not just Christianity. In a civil society, with many beliefs operating, it makes sense to give everyone the same rights. But it doesn't make it any easier to throw away the ancient tradition of marriage as between a man and woman. I suggest that as a society we allow all to live life as they see fit, and that includes the right of the Christian to call what he/she sees a sin, a sin. As a Christian, I see sin as a condition of ALL human beings. Not just those who are homosexual, but those who are heterosexual too. WE ALL sin and come short of God's expectations. I also realize that in such delicate matters, the government has problems making the right decisions, to please everyone is not their role. As a libertarian (basically in most things) I don't agree that the government has any right issuiing a license to anyone to do anything...lol. but they do, and now they are between a rock and hard place trying to sort this all out. Good luck to them.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
15 May 12
I'm not speaking here as a certain religion member. I am speaking as a human being. Just because any of us believe something does not make it so. I recognize that some people do not believe as I do. That however is not reason to say GOD is dependent on anyone's beliefs to be real. And I am merely warning all of us here, myself inclulded, that IF you are wrong and I am right, you are the ones who loose, not me. We like to throw around the words, but do we actually think about the significance of them? An atheist stands the same chance of being wrong about it all as I do. And if he is wrong, he looses his eternal soul. IF I am wrong, what have I lost? Not trying to be hateful here. I fully believe in the separation of church and state. Giving EITHER one to much power is dangerous. I happen to believe that giving the STATE power over who can marry and who can't is dangerous. I don't even agree that the state has the right to issue licenses for ANYTHING. So coming at me with the separation of church and state shows you've missed my point. I may not agree with all you believe or say, but as a citizen of America, I believe you have the right to believe what you want. But we are crossing the line here when we say Christians have no right to believe what they want to believe, are we not? They have just as much right to say homosexuality is a sin as you do to say it isn't. If you judge me, you are asking for judgment back, that is the law of karma, or reaping what you sow. One of the most famous of Jesus' teaching is 'let him who is without sin, cast the first stone', and seems to me, you're just as guilty of 'judging' as any Christian I know. I'm fine with the premis that gays have the same civil rights as I do. But as with any societal issue, it takes some careful sorting out to ensure EVERYONE is treated equal. And as we all know, special interest groups, ANY special interest group, often times get preferential treatment, not equal treatment.
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
15 May 12
I did say 'usual' did I not, I am aware not all marriages are blessed with children. And that relationship of love, even if not blessed with children does not need legal acceptance, does it? BUT the LEGALITY of it (liscenses) is for children who need protection in case of non support or divorce. So, I guess what gays are asking for is protection if the relationship goes sour? I said, I laughed at your last statement in the OP, but it is true. Have at it if you want to loose half of what you have. I am not disputing a persons right to love whom they wish. Seems to me I am more willing to accept others who differ from me as human beings with rights, than you. YOu feel it is ok to disrespect Christian's beliefs from what I have read here. You have your preconceived notions of what Christians believe do you not? Who is the one who is discriminating here?
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@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
16 May 12
It all boils down to choice. A person who bullys and who does not love his fellow man is going to be sorely disappointed on judgment day. And anyone who 'lords' over anyone else will be too. I asked a simple question, I believe that God wants to forgive me and the atheists believes that God does not exist and he needs no forgiveness. IF I am wrong, and we all just die and return to dust, what have I lost by believing? BUT if I am right in my belief, and the athesit is wrong, and he never asks God for forgivness, he has lost his soul. And it won't matter a wit that he believed God did not exist, will it?
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• United States
15 May 12
Where in the bible does it say "open fire in a building full of gay people?" What are they so afraid of? It isnt you (you being the people protesting against it) the person wants to marry. Or maybe that's why?
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• United States
15 May 12
I wonder if the "Lady protests too much" Meaning the ones who are so against gay marriage Are gay themselves. Some are. How many pastors have been caught having a gay affair?
@debrakcarey (19925)
• United States
15 May 12
It doesn't say in the Bible anything about 'gay marriage'. It does however warn against homosexuality as a rebellion against God. And your implication that those who say so are/maybe gay is ridiculous, it shows that you doubt the rightness of it yourself way down deep in your spirit. And pastor's are human beings who do wrong also. Just because a person is a cop doesn't mean he never breaks laws, right?
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• United States
16 May 12
No, I'm used to being called wrong by others.So way deep down to bigots and the righteous I will Never be right. But My views will Never change. I'm damned in their eyes and that is find. No I wouldn't be surprised the most anti gay leader is deep in the closet. Most straight people could care less about gays and gay marriage. That's all I'm saying. And I mean it. So being who you truly are is a rebellion against G-d? Well look at the bright side. you can't be against G-d Without having G-d, right? What a statement. Just by being gay, they are against G-d. Ok! Then since they will burn in hell , then let them be happy here. all those who hate and fear gay people should just let them live since they won't be let into heaven . so you won't have to worry about seeing them, right?
• Canada
26 May 12
My opinion on abortion: A woman has the right to choose what she does with her body, and if for some reason, she does not want something growing in her body, she has the right to get it removed. I don't mean to sound harsh, I'm just saying that it should be the decision of the woman, and only the woman. Personally I would not get an aboriton, but that's because I personally don't believe in it. That doesn't mean that I should force my beliefs on everyone else! Gay marriage? If two people want to commit themselves to one another, I say GO FOR IT!!! There's nothing "wrong" with it, it's just untraditional.
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• United States
26 May 12
I would set up the abortion the minute I hear the T in pregnant! I believe in it for me but I understand that being Pro Choice Means the woman chooses,Period. Many will keep the baby. As for gay marriage, Why Not? Like I said , they have the right to lose half their stuff like everybody else.