Do we still need to address Gloria Macapagal Arroyo as President?

@bulastika (5967)
Philippines
July 14, 2012 8:36am CST
Its now clear that FPG is the real winner and not GMA. Now I'm wondering do GMA has right to be address as president? or former president or not? Since she did not win the election. Or do we need to address the late FPG president also even if he did not seat as the President of the Republic of the Philippines? For me to right the mistake of the pass we need to recognize FPG as the real President even if he don't seat as president and removed the name of GMA as president and only call her acting president. But I guess its just going to make things complicated if we do that.
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@factorial (982)
• Philippines
14 Jul 12
Me? a big NO! Kabayan Noli de Castro don't even want to be called Vice President!
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• Philippines
14 Jul 12
Kabayan Noli...
• Philippines
14 Jul 12
because he WAS the vice president... now he is no longer in that office...
@bulastika (5967)
• Philippines
15 Jul 12
We can call Kabayan Noli as Kabayan Noli informally but if its formal introduction then we must call him vice president as he once serve. Or former vice president. But you can't remove the title because its the title that we are showing respect and the person not the person only.
@factorial (982)
• Philippines
14 Jul 12
To make it plain and simple... I hope she will be convicted and place behind bars!
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• Philippines
14 Jul 12
Same thing... same tense... she WAS the president...
• Philippines
14 Jul 12
I dunno, we address former presidents as presidents. Old senators still get the title and so do justices and other public people. I guess it is part of the habit. I guess it depends on you. Some people (mainly the media) always highlight the current and former titles (as in Congresswoman na dating president …as if we never knew the former and title). Besides, what term are you talking about? The first one where she claimed office when the Erap was kicked out or the second time around? During Erap’s sojourn to the Pasig river, she was called to take the office and she did the swearing so that counts as claim to the tile. You might be justifiable in saying if you are referring to the election. As for FPJ, I guess some fans and supporters would want the same thing as you want. However, you need someone in the higher echelons of government to do that thing. There is a pending case that is currently being heard and I think everybody wants to see it played out. The thing about it is making it official even though it is already on record. Official makes things neat, easy and clear. But then again, politics might come into play. As a citizen of this country, you have every right to call the leader of this country anything you want. It is afforded in the freedom we all enjoy. Just don’t go overboard or people (or the supporting cast on the other side) might do a number.
@bulastika (5967)
• Philippines
15 Jul 12
I'm not taking about the right of citizen but the norms. As the comelec already say its FPJ who won the election. So in short GMA is not an elected president. Just look at the case of Zubiri. He serve senate for three years and yet he has been removed because its proven by comelec that its pimentel who won the 12th senate position and that's why pimentel take over the remaining term of zubiri. But in case of GMA comelec proclaim that its FPG win the election problem is that the term is already been finish by GMA when its been proclaim. .. In time of Erap. GMA is only "acting" president. She is voted as Vice president and not President. That's why she run again as president in the next election.
• Philippines
15 Jul 12
But she swore the oath of office at EDSA. Whether she is acting president or any kind of president, people knew and still know her as the president. Other countries recognized her as the president of the country (which is often the big deal). She was treated as such (like Zubiri was treated as a senator until he resigned). In addition, she exercised the powers of that office when she was there. She might to have gotten the office without an election (EDSA) but technically, she is a president when the EDSA happened. The same thing happened when she was proclaimed and was sworn in. What made the title is when she was sworn in. It is like the payment thing – transaction is not complete until you pay. When you do pay, it is official. Or you are not an official graduate until you receive your diploma. It is kinda technical but that is the reason why we have the terms. For example, when Noynoy won, he was s declared president-elect because he was president in line since there was still someone who is officially the president. If that president goes and he was sworn in officially, the he is now a fully-fledged president and he can do what the job entails. It was official back then. We did know that there are electoral issues back then but we not able to discern whether they were true or not. Now is the only time that we are finally uncovering these things. But the time now is way back from the years she also occupied the office. If you want to treat her as an acting president, you can do so. It’s your right. I am saying that it is your right because it is. Your right to freedom of expression guarantees that what you stated will be protected and your beliefs are also treated the same. If you are talking about title norms, that is often shaped by people’s opinion (which roots form your right to freedom of expression). If you voice out an opinion, people might take action and reverse traditional norms.
@bulastika (5967)
• Philippines
18 Jul 12
It's seems you don't understand what my thread is all about. Yeah. She take an oath back then. And recognize by many countries and elite but does it make it right? For example. theirs a person who speak so loud in our neighborhood that when he speaks you can hear his voice a kilometer away and I was so annoyed and I kill him. And when the police come no one speak because they also get irritated because of his voice. Does it mean by killing him its justified? simply because every body agree with me? Same thing what happen in edsa. How many vote for erap? how many went to edsa? And why their is edsa II in the first place? Because the envelope was not open? And when the envelope was years later its turn out to have a worthless? Taking an oath does not mean what GMA did is right. But again. My thread is not about GMA serving as president. If you read my thread again its about the title of GMA as president. Now that comelec say that its FPJ who won the election and not GMA do we need to recognize FPJ as the winner and proclaim as the right winner? and or remove the title of GMA as president or former president? Since she did not won the presidency? This is what my thread is all about.
@Cherish14 (2695)
• Philippines
2 Aug 12
i don't think it still matters because it is already too late. i think she was a good president anyway. i don't think there will be a good Philippine president anyway. they are just all corrupt.
@Cherish14 (2695)
• Philippines
2 Aug 12
they are all thirsty for power and would do anything to gain the position so they can be wealthy and abuse their power.
@louievill (15555)
• Philippines
15 Jul 12
I think it's immaterial as of now how she is addressed as long as her case is ongoing, if found guilty then she has to pay for her crimes and she would be addressed as " convicted former President of the Philippines" , but to date I think there have been no convictions yet or anything proven so she is still presumed innocent and the proper address would still be former president
@bulastika (5967)
• Philippines
18 Jul 12
lols. I guess that's right. And I hope those congress allies of GMA will also have days in court to prove that they did nothing wrong. But since theirs just too many cases now against GMA I don't know if she will be convicted before the end of President Pnoy term.
@syoti20 (5296)
• Philippines
15 Jul 12
Not anymore.. For she is not the current President. But we can still call her Former President.
@bulastika (5967)
• Philippines
18 Jul 12
But for me she don't even deserve to be called former president since its now proven that FPJ won the election. She may served as president that she is not deserve to be in the first place. I mean how can you differentiate the cheating president and the other former president who won the election squarely? Because for me if you call her former president then we recognize her still as the president who won the election and not the president who cheated.
@nadrolski (220)
• Philippines
15 Jul 12
unfortunately, Glora Macapagal-Arroyo should still be addressed as a former President of our country, Philippines. that fact is already written on the history book of the Philippines, as well as the text books being taught to all Filipino students. i guess the best thing to do is to publish new set of text books, with corrected and edited statements (and truths) so the facts would not be mislead.
@bulastika (5967)
• Philippines
18 Jul 12
That's true. what is written can't be undone. But same time we can correct things now by declaring officially that FPJ did win the election not just an announcement from comelec the FPJ has won then just forget about it since theirs nothing we can do about it.
@ARIES1973 (9435)
• Legaspi, Philippines
25 Jul 12
Well, what your pleasure bulastika? Personally, I don't think she still deserves to be called former president. Well, I don't know but that is just my opinion.