Should the rich pay higher taxes than the poor? Is it just?

@Alesma (167)
Czech Republic
August 24, 2012 9:38am CST
Well, I think they should contribute more to a state social system, thus helping the state itself. Is it just? Maybe not so just as right. We shouldn't question this as a matter of justice or injustice. To me, it is a feeling of solidarity with other people that should be a decisive factor. One may argue that everybody has the same opportunities to become rich, so why should I pay more? It may seem unjust, but I think it simply is not. In addition, not all rich people became rich as a result of their hard work. So, should the rich help the poor or not?
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@Jatelo2 (166)
• Nairobi, Kenya
24 Aug 12
Policies on Taxation have been the most unjust over the years. This is since both the poor and the rich are expected to contribute equally to the government coffers yet they don't have equal opportunities in life. Let the rich pay according to their wealth as the poor are relieved of some burden.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
As I wrote above, there should be proportion in paying taxes. I agree with you.
@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
jatelo2 welcome to mylot. you seem to go with my view that higher income people should be taxed at higher rate.
• United States
24 Aug 12
Hell yes. Tax the rich MORE because they have MORE to spare. Why tax the poor more when the poor have the least to spare. Many rich people have 10 times more income than 25 poor people combined. Poor people who are struggling to keep a roof over their heads and feed their children. Yet the rich are whining that they are getting taxed. Rich people have more money than they know what to do with, they are just being selfish and greedy.
@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
Yes. The taxation rates in USA seems to be different in different States. http://taxes.about.com/od/statetaxes/a/highest-state-income-tax-rates.htm I could not follow it. but your views are right. Let the rich pay more than the poor.
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@celticeagle (114326)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Aug 12
I think it is just basic math that the richer should pay higher taxes. I also think that if these rich people help the poor by starting business or other organizations that help they should get a good deal on their taxes. But if they just make more money they should pay more in taxes.
@celticeagle (114326)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Aug 12
That was weird. I got a survey pop up after I answered this. Hmmm.
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@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
24 Aug 12
I agree with you in that aspect. If they are just making more money than they should pay taxes but I am not above saying that rich people can't get a tax break fro job creation. However, I do not believe it should be a permanent tax break. Everyone poor, rich, individual, corporation, etc. has to file taxes each and every year. On the yearly forms for a large business as there are thousands of these forms, the company's accountant or team should have a spot where they can put in and prove job creation from the company and the amount of hires after the jobs were created. It should be counted that a certain number of jobs should allow them to deduct maybe 3-5% off of their tax bill and up to so much as 10% for both job creation and hiring in the country. If the next year they don't create jobs or decided they can't, then they can pay the regular rate, but if they decide to open a new factory or department the year after, when they file their taxes they get their tax break. The break would be dependent on the number of jobs created and the amount of hires they have. The rich corporations would have their breaks if they did that, and the people would have more jobs to also help contribute tax revenue.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
I agree. If a company offers hundreds to thousands job opportunities for people, it would be fair to provide them with some advantages such as tax breaks etc. Nevertheless, it should be only temporarily.
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@ladygator (3469)
• United States
24 Aug 12
Alesma, Good morning to you! my bet is that this is going to become a very heated discussion. But I agree with you. People that are in a high income bracket should pay higher taxes because the people that are not making very much money have a very hard time getting to a higher income. Things actually hinder them from reaching it. I think that the tax should be going to get motivated people with low credit rating and low income into a place where they can contribute more to their cities. The economic financial status is so off balance that its bound to fail if there are not ways made for the poor people to come up.
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• Hungary
24 Aug 12
So if you created a business what makes you rich you want to "donate" all of your money trough tax? You could stay poor than and be happy with lower tax. In our current world, not many want to work, get money and be rich to pay more than.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Well, there has to be a proportion as to how high the taxes should be. Paying higher taxes should not discourage you from working hard to become rich. Your effort must not be futile. On the other hand, people live in a society and they should help one another.
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• Hungary
24 Aug 12
Help each other... I don't see such think and I don't start it. So it's an endless circle.
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@namiya (1599)
• Philippines
24 Aug 12
Generally here in our country if the tax table and computations are done honestly the rich are paying more than the poor for the higher your taxable income goes, the higher the corresponding rates will be applied. Hence, result is higher percentage rate for big income earners against lower percentage for low income earners. Problem is the rich can hire accountants who are taxation experts and thus manipulate figures to reduce their taxes to be paid.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Manipulating figures are something illegal. If someone rigs figures, they act against the law. This is something that can happen anywhere, but it should not happen often. Good laws are essentials for every state.
@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
In India taxation rate is as follows: this supports the view lower rate at lower levels and higher rate at higher levels. Year 2013-14 (FY 2012-13) Tax Slab/ Income Tax Rates Income Tax Rates/Slab for Assessment Year 2013-14 (Previous Year 2012-13) Rate(%age) Up to 2,00,000 Up to 2,00,000 (for women) Up to 2,50,000 (for resident individual of 60 years till 80 years) NIL 200,001 – 5,00,000 Up to 500,000 (for resident individual of 80 years and above, Tax is nil) 10 Nil 5,00,001 – 10,00,000 20 10,00,001 upwards 30 No enhanced limit for women. Men and women are treated same now. source:http://www.incometaxreturnindia.in/Income_tax_rates_2013_2014.htm
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Ravi, thanks for the information on taxes in India.
@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
In life more than 50% is based on luck. for example a few children are born in rich families and a few are born in poor families. what is the justification for this. Different children start life with different levels of start and so making more money by poor is not that very easy, it should be that rich pay higher taxes --that is the case in India also -- upto some level 10% income tax and beyond that 20% income tax and after another level 30% IT is charged and it is right.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
I couldn't agree more. People can influence their lives, but only to a certain extent. It all depends on where you live, what family you have, your capabilities as such and many more.
@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
The capabilities of an individual is shaped, formed by his family which again is no one's choice. One who is born in a family which shapes people well then he becomes a capable person. on the other hand a child born in a thief's family mostly becomes a thief for no fault of his. So taxation at higher level for higher income is a practice prevalent in many countries-- http://www.incometaxreturnindia.in/Income_tax_rates_2013_2014.htm
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
You are right that capabilities of an individual are shaped by his family. Maybe I wanted to write a talent instead of cappablities, but we would probably end up in the the family again becuase your talent has to be supported, enhanced and without a good family background it is virtually impossible.
• United States
24 Aug 12
Yes I think they should pay more also. There really isn't any good reason why we have people that cannot eat or have a home in this world. This world has to many resources so something is really off here and taxing the rich is a step in the right direction. We probably wouldn't have rich and poor if things were more fair and balanced to begin with.
• Hungary
24 Aug 12
People need motivation, money! If rich pays much more they wouldn't want to get more because they must give it anyway. Without the fight for funds all would be lazy and wait to pay less tax.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
I am a teacher, I have a motivation, but I doubt if I ever become rich by being a teacher. I like this job, so my chances are that I will never be rich. I believe there are lots of people whose values in life are other than earning lots of money. On the other hand, there are people who are either willing to sacrifice a lot in their life in order to earn lots of money or people who excel at something. They can become rich much more easily. Just look at famous sportsmen.
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@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
alesma: I agree. Teachers will have less tension but cannot become rich. On the other hand famous sportsmen they can become richer quickly but tension is also high.
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• Hungary
24 Aug 12
Maybe but with limits! The rich isn't rich because they were bored and wanted to do something. Don't take all the money from rich people only because they have money. They worked hard (or something) to reach "rich" status.
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@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
many rich people are born rich. it is right that there should be higher income tax for higher income brackets. of course you should not take away every thing. Canada i think highest income tax rate is 40% or so. in India it is 30%. somewhere around 30% is ok.
• Hungary
24 Aug 12
If I will be rich I'm sure I will reach it by being selfish :P. Is there other ways to be rich than being selfish or a criminal? Not really...
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Therefore, the income tax should be different. By the way, nobody wants co take all the money from the rich. It is all about solidarity. If you have money galore, you could spare more of it on taxes, not all ....
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@tetris15 (541)
• Philippines
24 Aug 12
When it comes to taxing people, I think it would be unfair for the rich people. There are several rich people who really help the poor ones through their foundations, charities or simply giving jobs. Some people became rich because of hard work and others are born with a golden spoon and we can't blame them for being rich. It may be quite unfair especially if they acquire their riches by doing illegal things thus making the poor even poorer. Who says life is fair anyway?
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Undoubtedly there are rich people who help the poor in various ways. In general, I think the more money you wield, the more you could contribute to the budget. Sure, there could be exceptions to the rule when the rich employ the poor, simply help them somehow.
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• Bangladesh
24 Aug 12
Where does the poor earn actually? Actually they are treated as purchased slaves as the rich stil continuing exploiting the poor. All state advantages should be given on to the poor until their riches become equal to that of the rich. The state will be going on upgrading the geographicaly historicaly anthropologicaly socialy retarded and backward poor community until they become equal to the rich. Its pure ethics or ideology, a state should bear. Govt must arrange genuine infrastructures to upgrade the poor community. Unfortunately the people of my country is poor.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
It is impossible to make all inhabitants equal when it comes to their wealth. There will always be the poor and the rich, but there should not be a huge gap between them.
24 Aug 12
The richer the society, the better.We should raise the level of those who are at the bottom.It is important to teach people to fish and not to give them fish.Rich people say one thing and do another, I believe that charity and similar stuff means giving fish and not teaching to fish.It's comfortable to have beggars instead of strong citizens for a lazy state, of course, but strong society is a rich society, and look at those countries where people are poor and wait for the state to take care of them.Most of them become victims in their life because they never learned to take action and stand for themselves.Poor people do terrible things sometimes just to feed their children.It shouldn't be like that. I believe that it's the government that should spend less and tell the truth about what they do with your money because no matter how much you pay, the money disappears.Rich people know that and they don't trust the government while most poor people do.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Your definitely right that governments tend to waste money on various things without you having a chance to influence it. But show me a country with a perfect government.
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25 Aug 12
And this is the reason for people to be wise so they won't be fooled again and again.
• Philippines
24 Aug 12
Here in our country, the rich pays more higher taxes of course because they have more properties, they spend more and etc. But it is not right to have a different tax percentage for the rich and the poor. The logic is just that you spend more then you pay more taxes.
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@ravisivan (14051)
• India
24 Aug 12
you are right. expenditure tax wise let it be same. but income tax should be at different levels. higher income earners should pay higher income tax rates than the poor people. hope you agree, good day.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
I haven't specified the tax, but the tax we are discussing is, as you say, the income tax. This is the one, that should be different.
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@lampar (7597)
• United States
24 Aug 12
I think it serves the purpose of having a tax collection system, if you don't tax the rich higher rate, then you probably will not have enough revenue in the treausry department for every expenditure in a nation's budget since only the rich are the one who have plenty of dough($$$) and having full control of the means of production in the nation's economy, not the poor people. I assume it is just a common sense the poor don't even have enough money to put food on the table or earn enough to pay regular tax; let alone can pay higher tax rate. Unless you truely believe that the poor has plenty of money in their swiss bank account and don't have to work for a living often tout by our politicians in power. Whether it is fair or not to tax the rich higher rate than the poor; it is up to debate; I assume it all depend on how high should the 'higher rate' go and stop.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
I am not an expert in this field, but I think we concur in the fact that they should pay more. I don't know what "more" exactly is, but generally the rich should pay higher taxes than the poor.
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@lampar (7597)
• United States
25 Aug 12
It is not necessary for you to be an expert in taxation to realize that with such outlandishly large amount of expenditure items in their annual budget and lavish spending habit of the present federal govenrment, the only way for them to pay for all these luxuries they enjoy is to raise the tax of the richest and the super wealthy class, after all, that is where all our nation's money are being plundered and funnelled into over the years by our elected officials.
@jambi462 (4599)
• United States
26 Aug 12
Yes i do think people that are rich should pay higher taxes because it just makes sense and any wealthy person that doesn't think so is just a really greedy person. I also don't think that they should have to pay so that we can all do nothing but live off them I just think that everyone should have to pay similar percentages of what they earn, so naturally a rich person will have to pay more because they make more money than the rest of us. Also there are just so many rich people that live life in excess and I just think it's ridiculous how it's waved in people's faces especially when there are people out there dying of starvation. People that have massive houses, own like six cars, and more clothing and jewelry than they can wear need to learn how much they are excessively living and I think should definitely be forced to pay more on taxes.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
26 Aug 12
I am of the same opinion. When it comes to paying taxes, there should be a proportion.
@nijolechu (1845)
• Canada
24 Aug 12
I am not one to make any kind of opinion on this. Because the country that I am from has already set up a tax collection system in place. When I look at my yearly tax collection form that I have to fill out, It really does separate the tax collection percentages higher when you make a higher income. But there are ways to get around it by having money stored away or invested in another country so you pay lower taxes.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Thank for your comment. Without belonging to any particular country, do you agree with a higher income tax for the rich?
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@natliegleb (5188)
• India
24 Aug 12
it has to be for sure since its always the rich people who reap the benefits,so they have to pay more comparing to the poor.i think it is justified for sure its a matter of dedicating to country's infrastructure where they use it more comparing to other people.its the elite society who needs more attention and they can afford it
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Yes, I agree. The fact that they can afford to pay more is a kind of mystery for me when I hear someone complain that they have to pay more. People should not be greedy misers.
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@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
24 Aug 12
It actually isn't unjust. Technically everyone pays a lot of taxes because it is all income based even shopping is income based. You pay taxes on what you make and what you spend. Rich people could handle paying around 40% of taxes a year. I am not talking about people who make 250,000 a year but people who make 1,000,000 or more a year. I also don't agree with 45% or 50% of taxes and most people in America seem to forget that the taxes on the rich were higher than what is being proposed now and these people were still rich and didn't up and leave ship or anything like that. On top of that, rich people like everyone else are paying taxes on their income. Which means if a rich person has 300,000,000 in the bank and only makes 1.5 million that year... then he is only paying taxes on 1.5 million and still has way more than enough to live off of. Add in any interest some of the money might be gaining and then the rich person is only paying taxes on the income gained through the interest. That is it. Our politicians would have us believe that it is more, but that is the basis of it. Now add in any stocks, capital gains, and more and they pay taxes on the income given by that just like any other person who invests in a company for retirement. Rich people aren't going to starve or suddenly be unable to live like most people want to believe. However, that money goes to pay for a majority of the politicians in office, government programs including federal employee benefits, fixing our roads, paying for policeman, fireman, the national debt and more. I mean perhaps people should think about that more than they are thinking about themselves. If I made more money or I was making 1,000,000 a year, then I would have no issues with paying the 40% of taxes to help my country and the people in my country who made it possible. I wouldn't become some greedy miser and start screaming "mine" like most people do. In that situation I would still have $600,000 net at my disposal. How would a person making that much live on $50,000 a month? Budget. It is that simple. I think the rich should want to help the country they were able to amass their riches in. Charity doesn't help the country by building roads. It helps a small group and while it is helpful... tax breaks for charity isn't. A simple "thank you" should be enough for someone to give charity to help others.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Thanks for your comprehensive comment. I think that you appositely summarized the main points of this subject-matter. I do not want to repeat myself, but I really think that features of solidarity are a very important aspect for every country.
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• India
24 Aug 12
See it is just not the matter of paying higher taxes by richer people. The problem here is that rich people also used to enjoy same services and products which are tax exempted for the poor or lower middle class. For example, diesel is provided in subsidized rates in india because as they cannot afford the original price of diesel so government pay large portion of it. As diesel is used by villagers,poors,farmers at the subsidized rates then why rich people having SUV's and other luxury cars uses this subsidized diesel. They should pay the original price as they can afford to pay. It is not only a point of opportunities rather rich people used to misuse and neglect many aspects. Rich people never think about poor, how they are managing their meal for the day and how they are surviving in this very expensive world. Rich will go and buy movie tickets with a raised entertainment tax but when it comes to helping poor and do some charity they pull their legs back. So in my opinion rich should be paying higher taxes for the things, products, services they are using on subsidized rates, which are meant for poors.
@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Well, I agree that products for the poor should be used only by the poor themselves. But it is a matter of laws that will not enable others to misuse them. To be honest, I think it is not fair if rich people should buy things for higher prices. All I want is the contribution in the form of higher income tax.
@alberello (4756)
• Italy
24 Aug 12
Well, I think that this question has an answer more than obvious. Do not even need to mention it, since it is clear that the right thing should be (and which unfortunately is almost never right!) That the rich should pay higher taxes than the poor, would seem to in direct proportion to their income. In Italy, for example (my country), there are serious economic problems. One of the highlights of this causes malfunctioning of the distribution of wealth, consists in the fact that the rich do not pay taxes properly. So we hear about every day of tax evaders, etc.. The poor, or to better understand each workers pay taxes, because their salaries are already reduced by such taxes. The self-employed rather than their own must declare their income .. well better not comment further!
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
Tax evaders are everywhere. Every state should have good laws and propotianate punishments when the law is infringed.
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@echoforever (5192)
• United States
24 Aug 12
I don't think they should pay MORE except maybe for a little while because they haven't paid even equally to most of us in years or maybe ever. I think they should pay just as much as we do. Its unfair that the lowest in the country are supporting it. It also doesn't make sense. So I hope this changes that the rich will at least pay enough that we all do.
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@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
24 Aug 12
I think it makes sense. The more you have, the more you should contribute. THis is a principle of solidarity which should be the basis of every state.
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@Canellita (12059)
• United States
26 Aug 12
Do you believe that rich people donate to charities? Fund scholarships for underpriveleged students? Build hospital wings, libraries, and other institutions that help other people? The "rich" should pay whatever they are obligated to pay just like everyone else. Maybe the real issue should be how to help the "poor" who struggle to make it day to day and often can't afford their taxes.
@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
26 Aug 12
Providing a direct help for the poor is important, yet a bit different topic, as this topic is about the rich and their money which could help the society as such.
@Canellita (12059)
• United States
26 Aug 12
The point is that those charitable activities are tax deductible. The "rich" pay less taxes because they have more deductions.
@Alesma (167)
• Czech Republic
26 Aug 12
Are all of them involved in charitable activities? No, they aren't ...