History of Capitalism/Socialism

@debrakcarey (19924)
United States
August 26, 2012 10:22am CST
Caveman to neighbor; hey, I just killed this huge antelope and I can't eat it all, can I trade you part of it for some of those berries and roots you just gathered? And so it began. Capitalism. And then there were cavemen who appointed those who gathered and those who hunted and all shared, each according to their need. And so began socialism. Then there were those cavemen who just hit the guy with the roots and berries over the head and took his stuff cause they were bigger and stronger and had lots of backup from the other cavemen. And so began government enforced socialism.
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@Bluedoll (17052)
• Canada
29 Aug 12
That’s a great representation of the two systems. I like the way it is introduced here. I have a different concept of those things though maybe we can stick our heads together and come up with something or you can tell me how wrong I am, I don’t know, I often get confused with these social descriptions but here goes... A very few of the very successful capitalistic caveman found out if they gave the poor guys a portion would make even more for themselves by getting them to work for them. They became very powerful but greedy. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer. At the same time some of the social ones that shared with each other ended up having lots of babies. It was great until they started running out of resources. Maybe the end of the story depends not on the social system employed but the leadership of all the groups evolved. If they decide on either socialism or capitalistic does it really matter? The question is can the leadership and the society at large properly manage the resources and the societies moral to make it all work properly and be prosperous? By the way how much does it cost to buy a cave?
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• United States
29 Aug 12
A while back I was reading an article online about a guy who lived in a cave ON PUBLIC LAND, didn't have a regular job and survived rather well on what he could find that people threw away that he could fix and sell to other folks. This went on in some park in Utah.
@Bluedoll (17052)
• Canada
30 Aug 12
Sounds like socialism to me without government aide if he was taking what others didn't want. If he was fixing things and providing a service to the community sounds like he was caving in to capitalism. I know there is a difference between the two social systems but really aren't they also close together? If a person buys and sells he is capitalistic but he needs to do that in a society unless he is a hermit. Obviously. this one guy wasn't and it sounds what he did was very cool.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
30 Aug 12
Socialism is not one man doing what he has to do to survive. NOTE: social means a collective, a group. And 'caving' in to capitlism, sounds like capitalism is a crime or something. Socialism and capitalism are not close together. One is individual and the other is collective, social. Think of it this way; in capitalism the individual makes choices. In socialism, the group makes the choices. That is a very simple explanation, and of course, both are practiced in different degrees.
• United States
26 Aug 12
Sounds funny but in actuality it's quite scary. The government is so big there are parts of it that the federal government has no control over. I saw these FEMA detention centers for when we go into martial law. I'm afraid to get politically active. Il sfrId to sign a petition because my name would go on the list of possible persons of interest. You and I could be held against our will indefinitely without due process of law. All they have to do is suspend the constitution. I know that's not what your discussion is about but you reminded me of the concentration camps in the US. There's one right in Madison Georgia. I saw the documentary with Governor Jesse Vantura. I believe him. He wouldn't ruin his credibility on untruths.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 Aug 12
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797) I lay awake at night too, thinking of those very real possibilities. But Mr. Burke also said this; No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear. Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797) And the wisest of all said; Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 Aug 12
I neglected to add one more scenario to the mix; One caveman got the bright idea to LOAN the 'use' of the antelope to others, he then foced them to hunt for him for the rest of his life.
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• United States
26 Aug 12
Correction: it wasn't a concentration camp in Madison Georgia. It was very crude caskets that resemble grave liners. They can hold 3 bodies. I'm afraid capitalism will be gone as soon as the government decides to enforce martial law. We can then be forced into concentration camps and forced to work as slaves. Or we can just be killed on the spot.
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@peavey (16866)
• United States
27 Aug 12
Ok, so now we know how it began... how does it end?? Come on, tell us the rest of the story. Oh... maybe not. Maybe if we ignore it, it won't happen, suppose?
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Aug 12
How does it end? It's not over until the fat caveman sings.
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@peavey (16866)
• United States
27 Aug 12
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@JohnRok1 (2051)
28 Aug 12
You mean, when he rats on the other labour camp inmates (ref: "Cancer Ward")?
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@Fatcat44 (1142)
• United States
26 Aug 12
This is funny. Where is the dragging of the women by their hair to the man's cave?
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Aug 12
oh, that's the world's oldest profession, part of capitalism. But this is a G rated site. sorry.
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@JohnRok1 (2051)
28 Aug 12
You know what to do, Fatcat, but Debra does wear her hair a bit short for the purpose.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
28 Aug 12
It is a bit longer lately. No money for beauty shop. Fatcat's a gentleman, he'd not hurt a fly. Would you fatcat?
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@stk40m (1119)
• Koeln, Germany
28 Aug 12
organized crime. An intelligent being should use its IQ and knowledge to improve the living conditions for other living beings. Unfortunately all too often the opposite is the case and when it rains, it pours. Other nasty intelligent beings form a club or a gang and exploit the unsuspecting ones. They want to lead an easy life by letting others work for them or want to abuse their power, their IQ, their knowledge because that makes them feel strong. I stress the word 'feel' because that's usually what they lack: feelings. To get the kick they do as much sh*te as possible until they think that they 'feel' something. In fact, such individuals are the most weak ones - from a spiritual point of view. They have no idea what life is really about. And they definitely don't believe that they are going to pay the price for anything. One thing they suffer from though is a huge paranoia. That's just logical if you consider their lifestyle. They are just scum and that's it. The trick is, giving no support to any of them. But as you say, it's all enforced and people got families, need to eat something, need a roof over their heads and they are simply too anxious. And it doesn't look like it's gonna change. Goodbye planet, maybe.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
29 Aug 12
You can run but you cannot hide. Not in the deepest cave or on the highest mountain, we all will be judged in the end.
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@stk40m (1119)
• Koeln, Germany
29 Aug 12
yes. And we are our own judges.
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@CODYMAC (1357)
• San Diego, California
27 Aug 12
See, I knew someone knew the truth to where all of this started... Darn cavemen and their startin' stuff!!!
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Aug 12
silly CODYMAC, there is nothing new under the sun. We ONLY THINK we're original in our stupidity.
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@STOUTjodee (3476)
• United States
26 Aug 12
Then there's what they call today, communism. That's when the caveman is puppeteered by a puppet (George Soros.) That is when the puppeteer tells the caveman lies and tells the caveman he must be in control of everything/everyone. When the caveman adheres to the puppeteer's wishes the people lose everything and are controlled. If you take a sand against the caveman, you will be punished.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 Aug 12
Communism was the logcial outcome of government controled socialism...instead of a bunch of his friends enforcing his take over of other people's stuff, he hires the neanderthals to force his fellow cavemen into slave labor camps.
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@finlander60 (1775)
• United States
29 Aug 12
If you remember nothing else, remember this quote from Thomas Jefferson: "The government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you thought you owned." A certain fourth grade teacher wanted to teach her students about elections. She stated one day that the class was going to elect a class president like the United States did every four years. She asked for volunteers that would be willing to be President of the class. After Johnny, Jimmy and Susie each said that they wanted to be President, the teacher informed the class that each of the prospective Presidents would be able to give their speech outlining their platform, and would have a question and answer period during which each student would ask questions as they desired. This would happen next Monday morning. Jimmy started with his speech during which he said that, if elected he would cut down on the amount of homework each student had. Johnny said that he would shorten the school day to 5 hours, of which 2 hours would be recess. Susie said that EVERYONE WHO VOTED FOR HER WOULD RECEIVE ICE CREAM ON TUESDAY. Nobody wanted to question either of the boys. The teacher asked Susie where she would get the ice cream from and Susie said that Mommy would get it. The teacher then asked where Mommy would get the ice cream and Susie said she would get it from the grocery store. The teacher then asked who would pay for the ice cream and Susie said "I don't know." The election was held after this. Susie was UNANIMOUSLY ELECTED AS PRESIDENT. The election of Obama was similar in this respect, more people voted for ice cream than substance.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
29 Aug 12
Human nature. I try to get people to think about this very thing when discussing socialism vs capitalism. Who's going to 'police' the nanny in the White House and make him/her play nice? They never answer me.
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