Common language necessary or not?

@vandana7 (64874)
India
September 9, 2012 12:11pm CST
I ask this because out here we "create" a movie in one language, and it gets copied into several others. Why waste monies doing that same job? We might as well have acommon language or have subtitles in regional language? This made me think, arent we doing the same thing across the world? I agree we have love for our mothertongue..but languages of the past have died. We now need a common language, and English seems to be the only one that can do the job. Your call..
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@else22 (4319)
• India
10 Sep 12
I am extremely sorry to disagree with you.May be a common language is invented in future,but so far as English is concerned,I don't think it can serve as a common language.English has been taught in our country for nearly 175 years and successive governments have kept constantly conspired to enshrine it as the common language of the country,but now only less than five percent can understand a little English.The rest of our population speaks,thinks,reads and writes in their mother tongues.I had come across a Germane tourist recently.I began talking to him in English,but he said with disdain,'I don't understand English.Talk either in German or your own language.'I could not understand what he was saying until a guide explained it to me in Hindi.Of course,English is being taught in China,Japan and almost all countries in the world,but they have not made it compulsory there.India is the only country in the world that speaks and imparts education in a foreign language.I am not against English,I am against this slavish mentality.Leaders of all other countries speak in their own languages.It is only our leaders who shamelessly feel proud in speaking in English.We have so many rich and sweet languages,but we look down upon them.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
12 Sep 12
So for starters Stine..you'd agree that the pride in mothertongue/s that is being cultivated in India is for selfish reasons and therefore problematic and against the interest of nation and the people of nation? They are fleecing both ways..taking monies in form of tickets, and taking away children giving them ideas and false hopes. Middlemen and another row of middlemen..
@else22 (4319)
• India
12 Sep 12
Hi vandana and stine,let us agree to disagree.My assertion is that one must be proud of one's mother tongue and use it everywhere until it is possible.I am not against English or any other foreign language.I have never been abroad,but,as stine said,English may be a compulsory language in Germany,but I am sure they have not made it the medium of higher education.German leaders speak in their own language on international platforms.China too speaks in its own language and so do all foreign countries.The only exception is India.I am against this mentality that I prefer to dub'slavish mentality.'I am proud of all the languages of our country and I learn and try to improve my knowledge of English as well,but I use my own language unless it becomes impossible and will continue to do so.I am unable to understand how taking pride in our own language is selfish and against our national interests.Instead,my opinion is,English has been promoted by our leaders for selfish reasons.They garner votes by using peoples' languages and do 'ghotalas' in English.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
12 Sep 12
else..I explained explicitly ..a movie that comes in English is translated with some modifications of course first in Hindi, then in several regional languages. Therefore, we have film industries in each state. We are employing people to act films, we are not producing anything. Can you understand the difference? You make a book, you are producing something, you make a cell phone, you are producing something, you make a handbag, you are producing something, you make chappals you are producing something..you do farming you are producing something, even the administrative job in offices is an indirect facilitator of production..what is produced is used by the nation and its people. That is our gross domestic product. By producing something we prevent dependence on other nations, we also manage to export somethings. However, with films, that is not true. It is like a gangster collecting small small hafta (weekly payment) and giving shares to his goons (actors, directors, etc.), and passing something to the central government as taxes. Taxes can be collected even through other form of production, why use this non-productive route? Beats me.. If a foreign film is shown in my country, why cant we have subtitles on it? It is their brain, their actors, their storyline, so why do we copy them like monkeys? And to top it all, call it ours!!! And feel proud of our language based on that. I would understand if stories of Rabindranath Tagore were made in regional language, or Sarathchandra, and many other local writers. But we dont read our writers. We dont want to make movies based on our writers. Many of whom have written very original stories mind you. We only bring in what is in the west, and remake it, and then add a few songs here and there, like salt and pepper, and feel proud of it as our film. I dont think that is the right way to go about it. Others dont do it. Germans dont do it the Sound of Music, or Where Eagles Dare, right? Are those film producers trying to say that we dont have brains to understand English movies in English version, that we cant relate to them that they have to be rehashed in that way? That is my contention. Movie industry, in my opinion needs to be cut in size. That can only happen if we dont allow copying of stories and wastage of resources. Effectively, if people want to watch an English story, let them watch it in English and not expect it to be reconcocted in local language. Get what I mean?
@jennyze (7048)
• Indonesia
11 Sep 12
Didn't we all speak of one language long long long centuries ago? What was the language? Was it Latin? Well, some people are so proud of their own language so they would not learn another language. Just the same as some religion are so proud of their's that they don't think/respect another religion. What should we do? Have you watched dramas/movies at a certain site? The site allows each nationalities to subtitle the dramas or movies in their own language. I guess that is better than copying the dramas/ movies.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Jenn..we have had the Sound of Music copied in Hindi ..Parichay, agreed it has been modified slightly to avoid plagiarism. But then it has been copied in many other languages also..with different actors, and actresses ...why the same story has to be retold so many times? I can understand remaking Predators. Technology has changed since first Predator. So it can make some difference. But same story told in different languages in India ..we have more than 15 languages out here..lol
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Latin didnt become universal because we were so very divided like species of individuals with different cultures in different parts of the world. We still are the same, but we have something common holding us together, that is called Internet. So why dont we find another factor that holds us together? A common language may be?
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@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Ok..:) Not seeking it as a right, seeking it as practical solution? lol.. If we accepted Apple and Microsoft in English, why do we have to translate it down to our languages. Has it not become duplication of work?
@ElicBxn (60884)
• United States
9 Sep 12
When so many people are trying to "save" rare languages, just like rare animals and plants, I think trying to make everyone speak the same language might be hard. And really, all they do after they make a movie, is have native speakers come in and "dub" the other language to the movie. It would be hard for a blind person to go to a movie if they couldn't read subtitles... just as its hard for a deaf person to enjoy one without them. Just consider it job security for those people dubbing the other language tracks...
@ElicBxn (60884)
• United States
11 Sep 12
And Esperanto wouldn't be fair to those who's native language is a Germanic one now would it? Since Esperanto is a Latin basis hybrid... YUK! I saw a book with it back in the 1970's, good riddance to a BAD idea!
@ElicBxn (60884)
• United States
11 Sep 12
actually, I totally agree... while it would make my life easier if everyone spoke English, I don't expect it to become the "universal" language...
@ElicBxn (60884)
• United States
11 Sep 12
Nahhh, then we'd end up with something weird like Navaho...
@dpk262006 (56170)
• Delhi, India
9 Sep 12
Hi Vandana! Your idea per se is not bad, however it is practically difficult to implement it. In our country my belief is Hindi could be the common language across the length and breadth of the country and English sub-titles could be given so as make the scene more clear and understandable.
@thesids (22358)
• Bhubaneswar, India
9 Sep 12
Hindi would be a disaster... the south and north are divided dear dpk... go to interiors of any southern state, you would find many who understand english but know nothing about Hindi. I faced that personally when I was touring interiors of Andhra during the 6 month of association with Alliance.
@else22 (4319)
• India
10 Sep 12
It is not Hindi or any other Indian language that would divide our country along North and South lines,it is our petty,corrupt,vote monger leaders who are potent enough to divide our country in various parts.What's happening in Maharashtra?And what Karunanidhi and co. is capable to do?Why blame Hindi or any other language who have been silently serving as the medium of expression for centuries?If Hindi had been a disaster,then our country would have been split into hundreds of parts by now.It is nothing less than a miracle that our country has been united in spite of these petty,so called leaders.
@thesids (22358)
• Bhubaneswar, India
10 Sep 12
#Else: You got me completely wrong here. What I meant was - Hindi as the language for dubbing the movies. Not the language as we speak.
• India
13 Sep 12
Hello my friend vandana7 Ji, Well, I totally differ on this acount. Anything, one wants to learn and enjoy needs original. Today, I feel why I did not learn Urdu. It is by Nature taht things are all different in all round ways, so why not we have different languages. Your example of subtitles may not suit to people like me, who miss as it changes very quickly from the screen. Let original remain in its orginal. You eat and prefer Chilli more, as you are from that palce where chilli is grown much more, but why at all I should eat chilli, where sugar-canes atre in abundance. I will eat sugar. Let all seven natural colors remain and it should not be changed to one color. May God bless You and have a great time
• India
15 Sep 12
Hello my friend vandana7 Ji, Well, I totally decend, I would like to give helping hand for anything to improve life and live longer, even if it is mere local language, because local languages are diminishing, our all rituals are also dying and one day religeon also will die. No , we must prserve them try and find out some means so taht they remain. May God bless You and have a great time
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
15 Sep 12
Ok..here are the choices.. You have 1000000 ..would you use it to help the language survive, or would you use it build an operation room in a rural hospital? Your time starts now..
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• India
11 Sep 12
Hi friend, i agree with you, there is no need to dub the same movie in various language, if we saw the movie with the sub titles in a common language like English we will understand it easily, even though the movie is not in our mother tongue as well as it is from an unknown strange language, surely we need common language to understand the unknown language easily
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Yes, dubbing is waste of resources, remaking is waste of resources, if we can have subtitles in one language, it should do. In this context, I also feel that though governments encourage it, people come into acting profession because of the monetary and fame attraction. If we reduce production, it will become difficult for people to get into this profession, and more productive professions such as farming will not suffer. As things stand, people spend a lifetime trying to make a grade in acting profession, which has little or nothing to contribute to GDP.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
No..actually it helps to understand the language better. Stine if the same movie is remade in my language and another language and I am forced to watch it oh so many times not because it is telecast many times in English because it is telecast Thrice in English, and thrice in Telugu which is my language, and Thrice in Hindi, which is a language I follow well, you are limiting my choices honey.. And as I said..such activity is non-productive. It may fetch the government some revenues, but it does not add to the GDP. Therefore, it is waste of resources.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Stine..you accept that one language can solve the problems of my country? Great.. So wouldnt one common language solve the problems of the world?
@thanks1961 (7049)
• India
10 Sep 12
There are movies made in such a way and it is already popular with many movies. Also, the main reason for this is for business and make more money. Once they release one movie in any of the language, say Tamil, it will either remake or do dubbing for the same. The same dubbing can be done with any language (loses the originality), but the practice is there with copy-right facilities. Anyway, as you said, if a film is directed (by a Tamil film director) and the language used for the same is in English, do you think how many Tamilians will go for the movie? So, it is not practically possible for to make a regional film in the commonly accepted language on a commercial basis. Also, if they make the film in Tamil and when it going for different languages, the produces make a huge lot of profit when it is published in Hindi or any other languages.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Thanks for asking that stine..people want to make monies stine.. Now suppose Sound of music succeeds in the US. If it is shown here, it will succeed if it is not remade in local languages. So people who make such movies would earn more. What such people do is ..they do the middleman's job. They make the movie with different set of actors, at times with slight modification to the story. And earn the profits..some share of profit effectively moves their way.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Dubbing wont fetch profits to different set of people..right? :) So if you made a movie and released it..and it was successful, I would remake it in my language, and earn profits on it. Your movie would lose an audience out here and so will it lose profits, while I would have cleverly earned some making dent on ur profits..capish?
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
12 Sep 12
Oh dear..I didnt mean to be rude at all sweetie..I love blonds anyway they come.. Ok..copyright is applicable if the story is taken in toto..right? What if only underlying theme is picked and amovie is created "Indianizing" or "localizing" the story..lol So as I'd mentioned Roman Holiday somewhere..the princess escapes her palace, and the journalist gives her a chance to experience the life of the commoner, right? He does it with an intention to later cash on the story. Now listen to the Indianized version of it..the rich girl escapes from her home becoz she loves somebody and her pa wont approve of it ..and the journalist gives her a chance to experience the life of the commoner, and he does it with an intention to later publish the story..sounds familiar? But where is the copyright violation here? :) Cut copy paste..lol In the original..Hepburn does not marry Gregory Peck..that would be so .. In Indian story..the heroine marries and hero and they presumably live too happily forever having half a dozen kids..to prove their point. I might sound too cynical but ..give me a break..I cant watch that stuff even once ..other than in the original.
@saphrina (31740)
• South Africa
10 Sep 12
Hello ma. English is and always be the most common language in the world. Didn't you know that?
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
10 Sep 12
Mandarin sweetie..
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
I guess I am up against an army of blonds here..
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Well, you came running to support my blondie on her blond statement..
@grkelly (1216)
• Malta
11 Sep 12
I agree with you. If only we all had the same language there would be more understanding and certain language barrier problems and misunderstandings would be avoided. Besides there would not be so many people who try to write or speak in a language and fail miserably. Mistakes would be much less as one would be practically fully conversant. However I guess it is an unachievable thing as most countries take pride of their mother tongue. Besides just imagine how difficult it would be for people who work as translators, language teachers and other jobs which would be impacted by such a change!
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
We have a strange situation out here. Those who talk in mother tongue and are educated in mother tongue are often looked down upon as "Vernacs". Indeed, we have more print wasted on same stuff translated and expressed possibly differently in different language since translation does alte the meanings slightly. People from "vernacs" tend to have more dramatic way of expressing what BBC would report with a sullen face. lol
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Oops..people from "vernac" backgrounds...
• India
15 Sep 12
That would be really a great and intellectual minded world that will have just one language that will bind the whole population of the world. But there is need to conserve other languages as well. Because it is diversity that has been inherited to us and we know ourselves by it only. If there will a single language for the world some day there will be no basis or motive left to discriminate one from other. But how will we know that what language should be used by the people throughout the world. I think if it will be English after 1000 years' Then it will remain as the world language for some 400-500 years only and then some other language will take its place say Urdu, German, Ukranian, Romanian, Hindi, Russian, Mandarin, etc. And they will also make it to 500 years only.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
15 Sep 12
I am so glad to find some support. I too think that English will be the language that will survive primarily because compared to other languages it is easier to understand and communicate in. We have different forms of you for elderly, same aged people, and youngsters dont we? But English has only one you ..nothing different to give expressions of respect or disprespect. Even grammar is simpler.
@primeaque86 (8112)
• Philippines
11 Sep 12
English has been the medium for all. Without it we cannot understand each other here in myLot. Anyway, for me, it's important to have a so called common language, or universal language! We cannot able to study and understand all tongues, without English, how can an Indian and Filipino understand each other this way?
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
Yes, why waste time translating things, it slows down the speed, and we are never sure whether the translation is perfect. So it can create unnecessary misunderstandings. In the past, it was fine. But now, with the world merging through Internet, it seems we are holding on to our languages unnecessarily.
@cupkitties (7174)
• United States
10 Sep 12
Hmm well, there are people that don't know English though. That's why they do it this way so everyone has a chance to enjoy the movie.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
I think they keep the basic theme the same, and sort of change the version, which is rotten way of plagiarism if you ask me. The original story teller does not get to complain, in all probability, he or she is not even aware of existence os such a thing. :) We have some Indianised versions of taming of the shrew. :) At times, only the basic story is picked and included somewhere.
• Philippines
10 Sep 12
Yes, we need to have a common language. But we need to understand that some countries really value their own language and that they are not paying attention to learning english. And they aren't wasting money. They even earn from it because more people can people can watch movies without troubling with the language.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
11 Sep 12
I am not saying that their languages be eliminated. I am saying if they love their language, they are welcome to learn it and even converse in it. But a common language at International level would help us perform better as a community of human beings.
@cutepenguin (6457)
• Canada
10 Sep 12
I think it's important to keep languages alive. There are a lot of ideas that are expressed in other cultures that don't have words in English. Also, I think having different languages gives people different perspectives on things because the words have different connotations and thus everything is different. Even within English, different regions have different ways of speaking, different accents and different slang, I don't think we could keep everybody speaking the same anyway.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
15 Sep 12
I am not saying bury the language. I am saying have a common International language, and have your national language ..two languages to learn. Internationally, we all should be able to converse in one language. As to accents and slangs, over a period they will all become alike. I feel. There are many people who shift from different countries to the US, and over a period, their accent changes. So we will all be able to do that over a period.
@ARIES1973 (9531)
• Legaspi, Philippines
10 Sep 12
As we can see, we have English as the universal language. Although we came from different countries having our own local dialects, we can still understand each other. Having our own dialect is also one proof of our being distinct from othre country. This thing should be retained as this is an attribute to our originality. We should also have our own identity. So personally, I would go for the present set up.
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
15 Sep 12
Oh but English is not considered a universal language.. I am merely asking that we make it Universal language so that we dont have to read any other language on the Net, or can watch movies of other parts of the world with English subtitles. :)
@rambansal (576)
• India
9 Sep 12
It is too fast to go to an International language when we are stuck up with regional languages and no national language for India. no doubt, communication must be facilitated and economized, but practicability can't be ignored in a wish..
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
15 Sep 12
Yes of course, practicability is an issue but it is nice that you noticed that such a move would improve communication and result in some savings. :)
@urbandekay (18312)
9 Sep 12
Perhaps if we all spoke the same language there might be less misunderstandings and less wars, or is that hopelessly naive? all the best urban
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
15 Sep 12
Urban..same religions are inspire wars. If what happens in middle east is any indication, and we did have England and France at war, right? So having some form of uniformity may not help as much. :)
@thesids (22358)
• Bhubaneswar, India
9 Sep 12
I recently saw an advert at the theater guess what - SRK speaking Oriya and it looked horrible. same stands for any dubbed movie... if you have seen the Charlies Angels in English and also Hindi you would better understand why We simply wont find the Punch they have in the native dialogs. That said, the idea of making just one movie for all languages would also mean that much of the movie Industry would have to shut down... a national loss in terms of entertainment (maybe not, if they can compensate with 2 or 3 IPLs each year - as most of India knows Movies and Cricket for Entertainment).
@natliegleb (5186)
• India
9 Sep 12
i dont think so,but generally nowadays english is the most wide and speaken language and also a universal language without any barriers ,other languages dont match up simply because they are not widespread
@vandana7 (64874)
• India
12 Sep 12
Yes..it is so wide spread that more countries would accept it more easily than they would accept Mandarin, German, French, or Spanish..may be Spanish or French would be the next contenders. :)