Is this Hypocrisy..?

@Naseem00 (1998)
Pakistan
September 20, 2012 6:48pm CST
Very often I see Muslims being condemned for not speaking loudly against their fellows who are considered extremists. It is said that all Muslims are considered extremists because they do not speak loudly against those who are involved in acts of terrorism. After the recent violence in several Muslim countries which is a result of the movie some fanatics in USA have made, there is lot of talk against the protesters and particularly against the unfortunate killings of the 4 US civilians in Libya who had nothing to do with making of the movie. There are lot of people condemning the killers and the protesters (and I have no objection on that or any sympathy with the killers) but I have seen very few non-Muslims who speak against the makers of the movie. Mostly I see people telling me the US law allows Freedom of Speech hence the movie makers are innocent!! My point is when all Muslims are considered terrorists because they (according to you) do not part themselves from the terrorists. Are we Muslims correct to consider you non-Muslims partners of those who made the movie since you also fail to openly condemn their acts. On the contrary I see support for them.
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@urbandekay (18312)
21 Sep 12
Here is the hypocrisy and it lies in you: you compare Muslims lack of condemnation of those that murder with the West's lack of condemnation of those that made an insult. The two are not comparable all the best urban
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
21 Sep 12
Muslims have not only condemned but arrested those who killed the 4 Americans in BinGhazi. You being a Christian are being hypocrite failing to even condemn the makers of that movie who caused all this uproar just because they belong to your faith.
@urbandekay (18312)
21 Sep 12
I am heartened to hear they have been arrested, I wait to hear what sentence they receive in a country that has tortured Muslims that have converted to Christianity 1. I don't believe they do belong to my faith 2. I am not hypocritical, since I hold consistent values; were Christian extremists to murder people I would speak out, likewise I say nothing about those cartoons that have appeared in Islamic publications ridiculing and being of offensive nature to Christians. 3. What is wrong is for Muslims to murder in response to a film all the best urban
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@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
21 Sep 12
Still your continuously avoiding to speak against the maker of the movie shows your double standards.
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@vandana7 (69047)
• India
5 Oct 12
Naseem..I think I am a non-muslim, not yet an atheist, but somewhere close to that at times. :) And as far as I remember, I have condemned the making of that clipping and so has Lamby. And a few others have too. To me, such ridiculing is like the HIV infection. You cant expect it not to reach the AIDS stage.
@vandana7 (69047)
• India
5 Oct 12
Having said that..I must say the muslims within my country didnt show as much concern for the landslides in the North Eastern parts of the country, or the periodic skirmishes between Tamil Srilankans and Sinhalese, but wanted us to do something about Burma killing muslims on humanitarian grounds. Such clannishness and selective support creates apathy towards a group.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
5 Oct 12
Hi Vandana, I want to thank you and everybody else who have condemned the making of the movie in question. My concern are those who fail to speak a single word and keep on complaining that Muslims are being violent. Please look at the poster right above you and also take a look here http://www.i4u.com/2012/09/andrew-lloyd-webber/rostov-christ-superstar-russias-jesus-banned Do you see some double standards ?? As far as your other concern the way Muslims reaction to Burma and local incidents in your country. Perhaps this is due to the fact Muslims in Burma have close ties with some of the Muslims in India specially those living in Gujrat. Apart from that, I must say Islam is a binding force, the prophet said that all Muslims are like a body, if one part of the body is at pain, the whole body will be uneasy. Please don't take it as an offence.
@vandana7 (69047)
• India
5 Oct 12
I dont agree on that Naseem. If the help is asked on humanitarian grounds then humanitarian consideration needs to be shown even for people in North Eatern region. There are muslims in that part of the country as well. For me, charity begins at home. As to those living in Gujarat and Burma..I think that is far fetched. Burma has been virtually incommunicado with India so people traveling to Burma is rare thing. Second thing is my colleagues wanted a war waged. I felt that is a wrong way to go about it. That is because we were not sure whether the genocide was indeed genuine. They also said they didnt have enough monies to go there, nor did they have required equipment, meaning arms. I said no we dont need that much money. We go there to save a fellow muslim instead of going to mecca this year. We go in peace and first confirm whether those were stray incidents or genuine genocide events. If they are genuine genocide events, rest of us including other muslims will join there and take out peace rally like Gandhians. If they kill, we will be prepared for that. But it would be enough to create a news and draw the world's attention. Guess, they didnt like my solution..
• United States
13 Nov 12
I love the freedom of speech (most of the time) and I support people's right to treat all subjects with criticism. In the West, we are used to seeing images mocking Jesus, God, etc. Sometimes people complain that they take it too far, and their voices are also heard. I think that most Muslim countries do not live in countries that have free speech. To them, they don't realize that the government does not condone these videos, they just don't stand in their way, just as they don't stand in the way of other videos. To me, violent protests over media really doesn't make sense. It seems like there are just some imams and other leaders who are exploiting Muslims for political gain. I would be much more impressed if they showed some sort of positive solidarity and outcry against more commonly accepted injustice, like the murder of Muslim civilians by Western security forces. Or some of the inhumane practices of the Taliban, which are not compatible with Islam! Have you seen the video that caused the uproar? Those filmmakers were lucky to be noticed, because it was complete crap! No one would have watched it if not for the uprising against it. They were just provocateurs. Many Muslim countries are facing serious social and political issues. It would be more helpful for those people if the discussion could be moved to problem-solve for their issues and create a more positive global picture for Muslims.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
13 Nov 12
I can assure you that nobody wants to take away your freedom of speech. But why must one say what they are free to say? Every freedom comes with responsibility. If one fails to show they understand the responsibility associated with that freedom they are simply misusing that freedom. I agree to the point that the reaction from Muslims is the main reason the that crappy movie getting attention.
@pgiblett (6576)
• Canada
21 Sep 12
Actually it is an untruth to state that Muslims do not speak out loudly against those that are involved in acts of terrorism. The majority of those in the Islamic faith oppose the extremists and indeed there have been many clerics that have spoken out. Part of the problem here is that many in the west are not hearing this. You must remember that this movie that has been produced is offensive to all Muslims, because the religion bans the use of any pictures showing the profit Mohammed. This is offensive to all Islamic people and this has given rise to the protests around the film. This is not the first time that pictures of Mohammed have caused friction (the Danish cartoons spring to mind) and I guarantee it will not be the last time this issue raises its head. Yet this is where the west has a different view. According to to "freedom of expression" rules in USA, Canada, UK, Europe, and other nations people have the right to use characters like Jesus or Mohammed in fictional stories and they cannot be prosecuted for it. At one time though criticising the Christian church was considered blasphemy and could lead to prosecution and imprisonment in certain European states. Here though times have moved on and films depicting Christ are taken with a pinch of salt and generally ignored. I would argue this the way we should react - ignore the film and it will be consigned to the dustbin of history. The same would have also been true of the book Satanic Verses, which the Iranian Fatwah simply served to ensure became a best seller. We should all oppose the making of such films because of the trouble they cause. Yet there are always some who simply do not care, especially if they can make money out of the situation. Personally I sit in the middle here with Christians in my family and Muslims in my wife's family. I love them both, that is a fact.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
21 Sep 12
Thank you and I appreciate your recognizing that Muslims do speak against the extremists. As for freedom of speech I am not able to understand the double standard the West is having. Holocaust denial is illegal in almost all European countries. Many countries also have broader laws that criminalize citizens who mock, criticise, riducule the Holocaust. Like France, Germany, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Romania...etc. An example, In Belgium in 2001, Roeland Raes, the ideologue and vice-president of one of the country's largest political parties, the Vlaams Belang (formerly named Vlaams Blok, Flemish Bloc), was interviewed by the Dutch TV where he questioned the scale of the the Holocaust. In response to the media assault following the interview, Raes was forced to resign his position. But when it comes to mocking Islam, these same countries become helpless against those who are spreading hate.