Same-gender Marriages

@laydee (12814)
Philippines
February 8, 2013 4:33pm CST
I am reading a lot about the topic and was wondering mylotter's thoughts on the matter. I know there'll be a lot of tongue-slashing with this one but one thing people seems to be trying to convey is the fact that it's everyone's right to be married to someone they love. But my thought is - sooner or later someone would be marrying their pet. They claim that marriage is something that the church should no longer decide or stop because it's part of the government function - but why do they want to get married in church? What are your thoughts on the matter mylotter?
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13 responses
@cttolledo (5056)
• Philippines
9 Feb 13
I think the reason why they wanted to be married in church is because like those others.. they wanted that their relationship be blessed.. If people involved in same- gender relationship wants RESPECT with their happiness I think they should also show respect with the rules of the Catholic church why they are not allowed to get married in church.
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@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
10 Feb 13
I think generally, most gays and lesbians do have respect with the church rules. They have accepted that they are not allowed to get married. There's just a few who'd like to stir the boat and want to be treated higher. Yes, we all would like to be blessed in church. But we don't force someone to do what we want just because we want them to, right? We have no choice if the person or the entity wouldn't allow our wishes. Thanks for the thoughts. Have a great mylot experience ahead!
@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
15 Feb 13
There are gay people who'd like their Churches to marry them even if those Churches wouldn't want to. They scream out stating their rights are not given to them just because their Churches don't have the same beliefs as them. It would be a lot less confusing if we just stay away from people or institutions that don't want us, right? Not everything needs a debate. Not everything needs to draw anger. We must always remember that not everyone will agree to us.
@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
21 Feb 13
In the same LilyLoretta that you are taking too much nerve on a topic that supposed to give us knowledge, not everyone would agree with you but it doesn't give them the right to use insulting words. Your choice of words shows deep hate and sadness.
@jenny1015 (13389)
• Philippines
9 Feb 13
The church clearly defies marriage between the same gender. And being in a country which is predominated with Catholics, one aspire to get married in a church. Unfortunately, I don't see this coming in the near future or will it ever be implemented. I respect people who may have chosen to love someone of the same gender as they have however, I think that getting married in the church is no longer an option for them. It is just so sad that even if we want to express our their with as much freedom as others, they really could not. Their option is either to be united with the blessings from a different sect or just remain together even without having to get married.
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@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
10 Feb 13
In the same way, I think it's not right to change what have been done for the last hundred centuries just to give way to what is happening now. These are opposing decisions that will change our beliefs and culture. We can't all have what we want. It just sad that people have to go through such confusions. Have a great mylot experience ahead!
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
14 Feb 13
It's not right to change what has been done for the last hundred centuries? Look at all the changes in just the last say 40 years. From black and white tv only to huge HD flat screens. No cars at all to solar powered clean vehicles. Wind up turn tables and 8 tracks to iPods. Crappy VHS beta to streaming on netflix - on your tablet and internet enabled smartphone. Cooking on an open fire to all digital temp set cooking microwaves. Thanks just a FEW things. Of course it's right to change things - if sticking to the old way is just a way to sit in the past because you don't like something. There are lots of things I don't like but I'm not AGAINST THEM existing or being choices for other people because they are right for other people. It's very small minded of people to want to remove choices for others just because THEY don't like the choice.
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• United States
15 Feb 13
Perhaps this is a cultural thing, but in the US the church does not define marriage - the government decides what is accepted as a legal marriage. Currently, each state has the right to decide, and some states even recognize "common law" marriages, which is when two people live together as a couple for a stated number of years, even if they do not consciously make an effort to obtain a legal marriage. In addition, many couples do not choose to be married in a religious ceremony, even if they are able to do so.
• India
9 Feb 13
Marriage is a holy thing that can happen in life if it place truely and with true perfect partner...otherwise better to not marry at all.... I wish I was unmarried because of getting wrong one...
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
14 Feb 13
Kids of gay couples are no worse off or messed up than kids of traditional couples. Kids of EITHER type of couple are much better off if they see a loving committed relationship of the two most important and central adults in their lives, if they were wanted and loved from the time they were born, if they know they are secure and important within the family unit, and they spend time as a family. It does not matter what gender. Kids of EITHER type of couple are worse off and confused if they see a dysfunctional relationship where the two most important adults are not getting along, do not like each other much less love each other, where they may have been 'unexpected blessings' and not hoped and longed for, where they feel insecure and unimportant. These situations can and do happen within any type of family, so one is not better than the other. The love and stability is what's important.
• Mexico
15 Feb 13
i am a pastor of a chorch i will marry any one who ask we we have the right to know what happens between 4 walls
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• Mexico
15 Feb 13
sorry for spelling key board shot church is what i wanted to say
@veganbliss (3901)
• Adelaide, Australia
8 Feb 13
I think all that talk about marrying one's pet or television set, as is presented in the media here, is going a bit far. Gay marriage should not leave the door open to fear mongering about marrying one's motorcycle, for example. That's just silly. We should deal with one issue at a time. The church is a powerful lobby group in both of our countries, it seems. Have you heard? Gay marriage is now legally recognised in England. Gay people here are rushing into the British Consulate offices here to get married. Problem is, they will need to set up camp there, as once they leave the grounds, we won't recognize their marriage! I think a "Let Do" (I can't recall the French wording, which sounds much better, even in my French!) approach should be adopted whereby the more progressive churches will happily marry gay couples, pressuring the more fundamental evangelical churches to review their decision. I don't think there should be any further government interference in the matter. Let the churches fight it out!
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• Adelaide, Australia
10 Feb 13
Thanks Mike! I think most of the initial "pushing" for this issue comes from gays who are also Christian & want a church wedding - or just want a church wedding anyway. I think the underlying motive is a need for acceptance in their own communities. One of my friends brothers I knew from primary school found out he was gay (had tests done?) & had to move interstate, more than 1000km away just because the local christian community (majority of the local population) would not accept this.
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@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
10 Feb 13
Thanks for the responses friends. My thoughts on this is, if we don't really have any business with the love of any person with whoever they want, then why is there a need for the community's approval (marriage)? I think the legal partnership should have been enough. However, there will be complications when these couples go in another country or state that doesn't approve it. It's actually complicated. But since the laws of our lands are based on the general majority's "acceptance" or approval. Then, I don't think it's an easy battle. But sometimes, I wonder - perhaps these groups of people just want to be treated fairly (being married to the one you love) but how does that treat the straight people who thinks it's not fair to be treating gay or lesbians with more attention and rights than that of a man and a woman? Have a great day ahead mylotters!
• Adelaide, Australia
10 Feb 13
A personal question for you, Laydee... have you ever been married? It is essential for people as couples to be accepted into their community. I see it as more than just an emotional need or as security. It is better for one's marriage to have the blessing of the community & families with which we live. I'm sure you would understand this if you have been married before, as the argument is multi-faceted. Gays have never argued for more rights or special treatment... they want equal rights & equal treatment, not at the expense of other's rights.
@lampar (7597)
• United States
15 Feb 13
You make a good point here, if any homosexual couple want to claim that marriage is something that the church should no longer decide, then they shouldn't hurry their union into taking place inside a church, but take it to the government registration office. It is the funny part of it all why they continue to do so even though certain church authority condemn them relentlessly, your guess is as well as mine; except that i am not optimistic that people will marry their pet other than love or abuse pet in the future.
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@lampar (7597)
• United States
15 Feb 13
Seriously, i can use my time in a more productive way than protesting against issue/law affecting homosexual couple in the public square, union between them is in no way erode anyone liberty and freedom or affect our national affair except their, they should have as much right as me and any heteorosexual couple.
@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
22 Feb 13
I keep wondering why you're so keen into contradicting every person that doesn't side on your beliefs? Aren't we all free to express ourselves here? Fine, if you feel I am comparing then so be it, you don't need to blow each nerve on your neck to point that out. Further, I think I have the right to state how I view things and how to react with this discussion since I started it in the first place. I am not threading all your responses to contradict your posts, please do have the respect for other people's views as well.
@mommyboo (13198)
• United States
14 Feb 13
Heh. You know something? REGARDLESS of whether I was into men or women (I am a woman and I have a husband) I would NEVER consider ANIMALS as any sort of ideal partner. I cannot even believe you or anybody goes there... as unless someone is totally mentally unbalanced, people just don't do that. I laugh whenever I see people try to say 'oh, this will lead to that'. Really? HOW? I have never EVER seen a married person - who is married to ANOTHER PERSON - decide to divorce that PERSON and then marry their CAT. I've seen all kinds of people decide to leave or divorce one PERSON and then have a relationship or marriage with another PERSON. People are people. Gender has nothing to do with anything and does not lead to people deciding their ideal partner is no longer a human. Marriage is a covenant and commitment between two people who love each other. I don't really feel it has anything to do with government or the church unless you decide you want to get married in a church. For legal purposes you have to file to get a marriage license but that's really just a piece of paper. It has nothing to do with how you feel about each other. I believe it's up to each individual couple to decide what's important to them, whether that's a big church wedding, a temple ceremony, a justice of the peace, a courthouse, or a friend who gets ordained online who can do it in your car... it's your choice and yours only. I don't decide what's important to someone else, and nobody else gets to decide what's important to me. I think EVERYONE has the right to be married to any other ONE PERSON they love, period. ONE PERSON. I think that covers it.
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@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
15 Feb 13
Remember that there are people who leave their inheritance to their pets. You never know what humans would think of next. That's the beauty of our brains - we are unpredictable.
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@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
22 Feb 13
It's just troubling because of the way you interpret it.
@WakeUpKitty (8706)
• Netherlands
11 Feb 13
Marriage is a commitment between 2 people, no matter what kind of gender they have. I live in a country where since 1960 already churches/religion is on his way back. People are not interested in that anymore, churches are used as shops, homes, etc. I live in a country that respects others and I doubt you will find many people here who will complain about a gay couple getting married (or make a living together contract which is possible too, also for hetero couples with nearly the same right, it's just easier to divorce). The fact you start this discussion somehow give me the feeling this is an issue for you. Live and let live, respect people and treat them the way they treat you. That's all what I can say. BTW a marriage in church is in my country not a real marriage. Only a marriage by law is.
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@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
9 Mar 13
Thank you for that opinion. We all have different opinions about things, but in my country a Marriage (or Wedding) in Church is already accepted by the State as well. So I guess there's a difference there. As for Churches becoming extinct (or unused) in your area, that's just in your area. We have faith here and it's helping us have closer family ties and limited crimes and such. But yeah, to each his/her own. But the main point here is that people shouldn't start pushing Churches to marry them (because they want to) if the Church or denomination doesn't want to marry them. We must all respect that if we want to be respected as well. Have a great mylot experience ahead!
@natliegleb (5184)
• India
9 Feb 13
that is highly prohibited and infact i find it even more funny
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@silverfox09 (4727)
• United States
9 Feb 13
I saw a man on Maury show marry his horse , he was kissing the horse and everything . I see some people love kissing their dogs , I would not put it pass them that they may be involved with pet . I dont think the Government should be able to force a church to go against their belief . There are lot of other place they can get marry that wont have a problem with them .
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@jambi462 (4598)
• United States
9 Feb 13
I think that we have to separate the views of different religions from the ability to get married. We all don't believe in Christianity, Catholicism, or Buddhism, we all have different religious views and core values that drastically influence the choices that we make within life. I also think that good Christians can still be homosexual. It is more than time that we begin to accept people for who they are and what they enjoy as long as it does not violate others' rights. I think that a higher power would want us all to be accepting of one another and would want us to learn to love each other regardless of our differences. I think that acceptances and understanding are divine abilities especially when you can learn to do it to people that are polar opposites of you.
@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
10 Feb 13
I agree with your jeanneyvonne. When the State tries to do away with the Church's beliefs, it's already crossing the "separation". In the same way, what's the point with all the debate when they can't influence the decision of the church? Anyhow, thanks both for the responses. Have a great mylot experience ahead!
• United States
15 Feb 13
There should be a separation of church and state - but that separation does not mean that the church can disobey the laws of the land simply because it is a church. If the church does not want to perform a religious ceremony to marry two people, then it should not have to do so. However, those two people should still be allowed to legally marry. In addition, if the church wants to grant a religious ceremony to two people that are not allowed to be legally married, then it can, but the religious ceremony will not be recognized by the state as a legal marriage (such as in plural marriages). Similarly, the church should not try to stop the legal marriage of two individuals based on religious beliefs ... it should work both ways, but many try to use their religious beliefs to stop legal issues and then turn around and say that the state has no business interfering in religious matters.
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@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
22 Feb 13
You don't need to hang anything if you know what's right and just. Not everything man-made is good for man.
• India
14 Feb 13
Thanks for this discussion. I am not in favor of this, but in India too such cases of same gender marriage occurred, it is against law of nature, have never seen this kind of love making in animals even. HAPPY VALENTINES DAY
• United States
14 Feb 13
check out groups of feral cats some time. Believe me, they do.
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• India
15 Feb 13
Where to check about feral cats?
• India
15 Feb 13
Well we have cows and goats here, i have seen one cow riding over another as if in the act of love making, same with goats too.Thanks again.
• Poland
22 Feb 13
Getting married with a person of the same gender with a whole ceremony in the church makes no sense because the church opposes such marriages. But civil marriage is ok. People who love each other should have the right to wear a rings, share a surname, celabrate the day when they decided to be together for the rest of their lives and benefit from being marriage according to the law. Also layde, you shouldn't compare a person to a pet.
@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
22 Feb 13
Yeah you're right about not making sense to forcing churches to marry if the church is opposed to the marriage in the first place. Secondly, I didn't compare a person to a pet, but the way things are going, why shouldn't a person be allowed to marry their pets? Most people leave their estates to pets these days. Thanks for the response, have a great mylot experience ahead!
@laydee (12814)
• Philippines
9 Mar 13
Lily, don't use names or words you don't understand.
@natliegleb (5184)
• India
9 Mar 13
there are no use it and i strongly loathe them for sure and i find it bizarre also