You are either for Jesus or against Jesus? Really?

United States
February 18, 2013 7:52am CST
I have never thought about it This way! Is this viewpoint the reason some Christians hate non Christians? They think they hate Jesus? Wow! I thought non Christians were just people who didn't follow Jesus, period.I thought they either just don't believe in Jesus or , like me, believe in His works and that who He was/is but cannot follow Him. I ask you, do you believe a person Has to be for Jesus or against Him?
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@matersfish (6311)
• United States
19 Feb 13
There are plenty of people who identify themselves as Christians holding this stance. Plenty. My guess is they (more like the people who taught them, who taught them, etc) grabbed something out of the Bible to stick with. This is often the case. It's all a very pick-and-choose thing with any religion. And what gets me to no end is the people who say "Well, they're not really Christians if they do X and Y," when those Christians doing X and Y will come back and say, "Well, you're not really a Christian unless you're doing Z." So, who wins? Who's the real Christian? Who's really righteous and who's just flat-out wrong? None of that in particular matters to me. But the people who do use their interpretation of religion as an excuse to be bigots and to stand in the way of people's freedoms, etc, are most certainly disgraceful. The with-us-or-against-us bit has led to a lot of drama throughout history. That's a given. And I think it survives in part because people who do hold that stance and whose lives revolve around their interpretation of religion just cannot fathom how other people do not accept their truth. For these people, Jesus is an undeniable fact of life, so obvious that everyone knows he exists. So since everyone knows Jesus exists and thus believe in Jesus, the choice to not be a Christian--the choice to reject Jesus--means that you obviously hate Jesus. Also, as in politics, it's just a lot easier to believe (not only state, but actually believe) that someone hates what you stand for if they don't stand for it. It's easier on the mind. Assuming a person only gave him or herself two options, as logically seems a lot of people have, then it becomes a simplistic matter. Option A: Listen to and understand why someone doesn't agree with you. Consider for a moment taking them seriously and researching their beliefs to see if they have any validity. Challenge what you believe personally and see if it can hold up to the scrutiny of other beliefs and facts which may contradict those beliefs. Be an open-minded person, unafraid to examine the unknown, while admitting that you really don't know much of anything. Option B: Stomp your feet, proclaim what you believe is absolutely certainty, call everyone else a hater, remind them that they'll have to face judgment when they die (the one "FU" that's wholly untouchable).
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• United States
19 Feb 13
Assuming makes and A$4 out of U and Me! that's it, these people assume Everyone will see And agree with their truth. And when someone like me says no Jesus is your G-d but not mine, they freak out! Then they assume I said I hated Him . wrong All I said was He isn't my G-d. I have been told I'm going to hell so many times I welcome the trip. If the people who are saying this are the ones in heaven, Heaven would be a hell for me. thanks for your response. Now I Fully understand.
@mythociate (16298)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
19 Feb 13
Good thing the Bible isn't about 'going to Heaven.'
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@owlwings (40437)
• Cambridge, England
18 Feb 13
My immediate question is, If 'some Christians hate non Christians' (and I agree that there are those who really do 'hate' people, not just their views and opinions), can those people really be called Christian themselves? Jesus himself was unconcerned about those who hated him. He was very secure in his beliefs and teaching and knew (or had faith) that they could not harm his ministry. I think that those who hate or despise people for not believing what they claim to believe are actually deep down afraid that what they believe may not be true after all. They cannot (or will not) see the shakiness of their own faith and so they transfer it onto others in the form of personal anger. The same thing can also occasionally be observed to happen the other way, though their anger is often directed at 'the Church and the fools [in general] who believe in it'.
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@1hopefulman (38706)
• Canada
19 Feb 13
Real Christians cannot hate anyone. Christianity is about love and hope that all people become better. How I understand Matthew 12:30 KJV) 30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad. Jesus is stating the obvious, that if we do not work with him than we are not helping his cause and therefore are not supporting him in his work. I see nothing about hating here.
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• United States
20 Feb 13
Neither do I! I guess many seeing being Against something or someone means they are out to destroy them. No! It just means it or the person is not for them. They are not apart of the movement. They are neutral.
@1hopefulman (38706)
• Canada
22 Feb 13
An illustration: I have a thriving business. I offer you a job. If you come to work for me then you are contributing to my business and helping it to grow. If you refuse to work for me then you are not helping my business. When it comes top pay-time. Will you get paid? True Christianity will one day be the only religion. Nobody hates anybody. However I can't stop Jesus on who he gives everlasting life and who he doesn't.
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@1hopefulman (38706)
• Canada
22 Feb 13
The comment is based on Matthew 25:31-46.
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@andy77e (5163)
• United States
19 Feb 13
Well.... Jesus really didn't give people many options. Jesus speaking in Matthew Chapter 10, starting at verse 32. [b]So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.[/b] Not a whole lot of interpretation possible there. If you deny Jesus... He will deny you at judgement. If you accept him, He will accept you. If you love your parents or your children, more Jesus, you are not worthy. It's either Jesus is number one, or not at all. These are teaching of Jesus Christ. It's pretty much either for him, or against him. Not a whole lot of in between. I mean he did claim to be G-d. So either he was lying, or he insane... or pretty much He's G-d of all creation, and you owe him everything. Not a whole of middle ground with Jesus, by his own words. I'm for him by the way. He's either G-d, and I'm going to heaven, or he's not and I'm doomed. I say he's G-d, and He is coming back. :)
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• United States
20 Feb 13
So Only Single Orphans will get to heaven? Wow! And we Don't See Jesus as a cult leader? Isn't that most cults want you to do, give Everything to them ? If this is exactly what He is saying No wonder I'm not Christian! Silly me I love my guy and my family and friends. Silly me , My g-d is the reason I can love them. He isn't so insecure He needs All my love so He can feel worthy. So Sorry but this makes Jesus sound like a selfish , spoiled little tyrant! I Know that isn't true! It can't be.
@redredrose (1107)
• United States
19 Feb 13
If you do not believe in Jesus that doesn't mean you are against him. just because you may believe in him doesn't mean you are for him either. If you hate him then you are against him. What i don't like is that people who are non christian such as myself(Jewish) they say will go to he$$ because they don't believe in Jesus as their savor. Well not everyone believes the same thing or has the same beliefs. I don't like it that people say you are either against him or for him when you may not be either one you just don't believe in him. A lot of non christians just don't follow him like the christians do that's all. Doesn't mean they are against him at all.
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• United States
19 Feb 13
I'm Jewish too. I converted when I was 17. I have heard so many times that i'm hell bound I welcome the trip . I see it this way. If Only Christians get in , I don't want to go. I'll be so out of place it Would be hell. I agree with you. That is why I was shocked a person would believe this. Thanks for your Response. Have a happy Passover.
• China
19 Feb 13
I agree with you.I don't believe in Jesus but it doesn't mean I hate him.Why should it be either this or that? Now that so many people take Christianity as their anchors,there is surely something in it.
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@derek_a (10898)
19 Feb 13
My view on this is that it is written that God is everything and everywhere and this can extend to all knowledge and whatever there is that can be perceived and known. This writing is talking about the universe and we can all experience for ourselves that this exists. How can there be a single entity that controls all things? There can't be if he is everything. He can also be she as many religions believe. But there is nothing that is not part of everything else. This is what I believed Jesus taught, as did Buddha and other enlightened masters. It is available to us all, yet one followers of one master will fight against another, splitting up the whole natural universe in fragments, which is an illusions, because all is one. I have not read where any master ever claimed to be the only son of God, that was man's claim, and the source of conflict - just my opinion as a practitioner of Zen. It is my view that we discover the truth within ourselves in meditation. _Derek
• United States
19 Feb 13
Good point there. And if there's a Bible-believing Christian reading this who can set it right, please do. Because as I remember it, Jesus never made the claims that he himself was a god. Other people telling the story gave him that distinction. It wasn't even agreed upon yet as the early Bible was put together. There was still much dissent. But, of course, no religion is complete without casting the dissenters out and hammering the new religion into everyone's skull -- sometimes literally. I agree with you that we're all one, but perhaps for different reasons. We're all made of the exact same stuff. And it's been proven that even separated atoms can share information and a connection.
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
19 Feb 13
"To those who dare to say and teach that our Lord Jesus Christ did not descend to earth, but only seemed to; or that He did not descend to the earth and become incarnate only once, but many times, and who likewise deny that the true Wisdom of the Father is His only-begotten Son, Anathema!" It`s not my intention to curse anyone, i just wanted to ask you, how can you not understand in the age of computer games and stupid 3D movies like Avatar that Jesus was an AVATAR.How come simple people living eons back understood this but you can`t ? I am not talking about the reality of the existence of God, but of the very simple act of reading a book and understanding what you read.
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• United States
19 Feb 13
So said someone. So it shall be. But what said the avatar.
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@Bluedoll (16985)
• Canada
18 Feb 13
Don’t worry about it. This is how I interrupt that scripture anyway...when the apostles were questioning how a certain man who was telling everyone about the teachings, they thought he was getting a lot of it wrong and wondered if they stop him. That is when Jesus said, “don’t worry about it” he is either with us or against us. If someone is kindly delivering a message of goodness, I think they are following the right road regardless of what they say. But if someone is spreading lies or hate then I think it is better not to join them in that.
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• United States
18 Feb 13
The sad part is many lies are spread and others believe and either walk away Or worse start to hate because of these lies. This goes for more than Christianity.It is so sad.
@Bluedoll (16985)
• Canada
18 Feb 13
Finding the truth about something is not always easy. We hear, see and read so much that sometimes it can be overwhelming. And there are things we can never be sure about or find irrefutable answers to.
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• United States
18 Feb 13
That's when faith comes in. I am just saying it Doesn't have to be in Jesus. There are many paths. Pick one and be faithful!
@artemeis (4076)
• China
18 Feb 13
I think if you refer to the Bible, there's a mention in the New Testament where it is found in Matthew 12:30 and Luke 11:23 "Anyone who isn't with me opposes me, and anyone who isn't working with me is actually working against me" and "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters" respectively. So, I believe this is where Christians draw the line with non Christians where an individual is either with God or not. If not, then it would deemed that the person has chosen to be against God. I don't think Christians should hate non Christians when they (Christians) should be forgiving in the first place. Forgiving because they have been forgiven, taught to forgive, told to forgive and now forgive both Christians and non Christians alike. I hope that any Christians would not reach or even hate which is unchristian like.
• United States
18 Feb 13
The problem with this passage is that there are many who are not with Or for G-d in any form. they are not working against Jesus, they just don't want to join Him.I would hope that Everyone wouldn't hate a person Just for being different.
@artemeis (4076)
• China
18 Feb 13
Actually. it is really very straightforward where since the beginning of times if you do not believe in God then you are on the other side of the bank which is Satan. It is even mentioned in the Bible "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other" Matthew 6:24. I think it is very true about love where there is nothing short of a 100% commitment and no two ways about it. We cannot be in the middle which is so much about the world today where everything is so about and done half heartedly. I mean look around to see where that has got us. Endless struggles in relationships, escalating divorce rates and no stopping to look elsewhere when things get tough when it should be looking for ways to fix it. I believe this part of the passage is not about getting Christians to hate non Christians but to be aware of the line to walk. In the first place, Christianity has been about for non believers, non Christians, imperfects, infidels or criminals even. I am sure the One up there, is not giving anything short of 100% to theirs, so the returns should be no lesser on those who stand on His side.
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• United States
18 Feb 13
If you can't serve two masters then a child most love one parent and hate the other?How does that work? I think that two masters clause was about the Church/temple and Rome. !00% commitment in your faith is important. The problem , people being bullied into a faith that isn't truly theirs out of fear. That is so sad. So it is Jesus or hell? Ok I choose hell. and so many others too. In my neighborhood , there are more children of Islam. So my at least all my friends will go with me right? Ok. See I believe G-d is G-d. And people can believe in Him or not. Just because you believe in g-d Does not mean you are heaven bond. Just like if you don't believe in G-d you are automatically going to hell.
@jujunme (2480)
• United States
18 Feb 13
Not beleiving in Jesus does not mean you're agianst him or hate him tjey are totally 2 different things He does not ridicule,punish,or judge anyone who doesn't beleive in him or follow his teachings.in fact it's just the opposite. He doesn't want robots or those who believe out of fear.and he certainly didn't force his ideology on anyone He gave us all freedom of choice and all he requires is faith in his word and the hope you will adhere to it. Any true Christian who thinks differently is actually against everything he taught.
• United States
18 Feb 13
Really? After reading all these posts I knew I Just knew I was hell bound Just for being my true self. So there is hope. See I believe Jesus is a G-d to and for Christians. My G-d is His father. Jesus Knows , and I know He knows I'm not one of His followers.So I'm still good. Thanks.
@jujunme (2480)
• United States
19 Feb 13
YW.Hell bound? i just love those who claim to be Christians and yet attempt to speak for God with intimidation ridicule and judgement. There isn't one statement in Jesus' word where he says a person will go to Hell for not believing in him and i would charge any Bible reader to show me where it's written or even implied.
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
19 Feb 13
Read John 15:1-6 I don`t want to threaten anyone, you just asked for an example.
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• Philippines
24 Feb 13
Hi Sarah! =) Please don't get too emotional just because some Christians would hate non-Christians. I am a Christian and I don't hate non-Christians. I wouldn't tell you I don't hate anyone though. Hahaha. I'm not perfect after all even if I try to. I have non-Christian friends and we don't hate each other not unless they're stabbing me from behind??? We have what we call free will. Anyways, Christians are not suppose to hate non-Christians. Those Christians who hate non-Christians may not really be true Christians. I do wish though that you would open your heart. I clearly understand that you worship a God- Jesus' God/ Father as it may seem. We also worship Him. I just think we have our own ways of worshiping God. I worship Him through Christ' teachings while you on your own way. I just hoped you wouldn't be too harsh on your previous posts because I know it hurt a lot of Christians like me. Regarding your question, I'm sorry but I do believe that if you don't believe in Jesus, you are against Him. You may be saying that you're neutral but from your posts it would seem like you are against Him. I may be just a little sensitive but that's my own opinion anyway and I am entitled to it. I don't care whether you believe in Jesus or not but I don't hate you anyway. Same thing as when I don't hate my friend just because I like a certain band and he doesn't. Black is black and white is white but people need to be open-minded at some point. You don't hate a person because of his belief.
• United States
24 Feb 13
One of mybest friends is born again. He said it saved his life and I thank Jesus for that. I started this post because I was shocked that a guy, not my friend but another, would beieve just because I am not Christian , I'm a satanist. was this post harsh? Ok, sorry. but I had to find out if other Christians feel the same. Sadly they do and I have yet other reason Not to be christian. But this does not mean I'll hate them the way they hate me. It just means I made the best choice Never be Christian. I am not welcome but that is good. If this means I'm against Jesus in some way so be it. sorry my heart is as open as it can be.
• United States
24 Feb 13
I'm sorry but I rather be happy and damned by Christians than " saved" and miserable.I have been told I'm going to hell so many times I am looking forward to the trip. What I will not agree to is that I am against Jesus. he is just not my G-d , period. Never can be . And I know He knows that I know He knows!
• Philippines
24 Feb 13
I see.. I understand you. Here in our country, we have a certain "Christian" denomination which declares that they are the only ones who can be saved. I don't like that notion. I won't be saved because of my religion I am aware of that but they aren't I guess. You are saved because of your faith not because of the group in which you belong. As for going to heaven or hell... I fear hell but that doesn't mean that I believe Jesus because I am using Him. If you had someone you deeply care for and love, you wouldn't like him saying "I love you" back just because he knew he would get something in return. I worship God through Christ because He had saved me during those times when everything was dark and I was close to evil. You may not believe me but an early age, I often see or experience having elementals or weird creatures around. Aside from that for some reason, my family seemed like it was breaking apart and a lot was going on. However, it was through him that I knew God. I don't know if I will be saved from hell and I honestly don't care. I just love Him because He love me first. It's sad that that certain guy you are talking about is too much into religion that he is blinded by how other people should be treated. Just don't mind him. I'm sure he's going learn his lesson one way or another. (I hope not in a hard way.) We don't judge people because of his or her religion.
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@dawnald (84142)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Feb 13
I really dislike black and white thinking like that. I'm not a Christian, i don't belong to any Christian religions, and i am NOT against jesus. I had this co-worker who resented some of the things our other co-workers had done. he called them evil, and if I would point out one of their good traits, he would say I was siding with evil. Stupid....
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• United States
22 Feb 13
So sad. I bet he is the type of guy who would throw out his child if he thought they were " siding with evil."
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@dawnald (84142)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Feb 13
Probably different if it were his child, but he would no doubt give the child a good lecture about why he shouldn't do that.
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• United States
22 Feb 13
No I really believe he would be That rigid to his own child. I assume if Everything is black and white a person , it pertains to Everything and everyone in their lives.
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@mythociate (16298)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
18 Feb 13
Jesus Himself said (or was said to have said ... words 'in the red letters' in the Gospels) "If they are not against us, they are for us" ... i.e. if you're not attempting to stop His ministry, it'll get along fine without you. Someone brought this up in Bible-study class recently---that there is no Middle Way ... bringing up the last church in Revelation (the last book of the Bible), of whom it was said "you are neither hot nor cool, and so you are lukewarm--useless--and I (G*d, Glorious Jesus, whatever) will spit you out," and interpreting that to mean that 'we' (the Children of G*d) must either be on fire for Jesus or ... frozen for Jesus? I get confused there because Jesus--while His ministry was all cutting-edge & stuff--was (as shown in the quote) JUST FINE with people who didn't 'follow Him!'
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• United States
18 Feb 13
Then I'm ice cold for Jesus. Being " hot for Jesus" sounds like they want date Him! I know it is just Hollywood's version but in all the films I have seen about Jesus He never bullies people to follow Him. If they just don't get it , He Walks away. I fear it is the insecure that Have to get everyone to follow their path.
• United States
18 Feb 13
Hopefull , you heaven isn't for me. I am not willing to pay the price of having to be someone else. Besides , My heaven is here!
@mythociate (16298)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
19 Feb 13
Oh, and 'being you' for one miserable instant is worth MOUNTAINS-MORE than eternal bliss? Fine! As for Heaven (which I'm glad the Bible says NOTHING ABOUT), it's one of Buddhism's 10 'levels of existence' (I forget the words Buddhism uses for that, but they're all 'ways of thought' that every human ALWAYS has in mind). So I let the Christians follow the fairy-tale that Heaven is some magical land where angels play harps & walk on golden streets in front of your servants' mansions around your mega-mansion ... just like they may believe that marriage makes you fertile and singleness makes you infertile. Doesn't make it true to reality, but 'true to themselves' works just fine (as long as they stay out of reality's way)!
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@inertia4 (27764)
• United States
20 Feb 13
Think of christians as a radical group of people. They do not like anyone who does not believe or think as they do. There are many radical groups when it comes to religion. I even had this jewish friend of mine that could not understand the Hasidic jews ways. He once told me that they are a very radical group, much like the christians are. Though they are jewish, they do not like anyone other jew that does not believe or think as they do. And the same goes for those wacky christians. I just don't believe, thats me. Thats my right. I have no use for radicals because those are the people that create hatred and wars and murder. How could you be religious and damn everyone else for being different. Just think about what I said for a moment. I am also sure some people are going to comment on this in a negative way. Thats how you will know who is a radical or not. Hey Now!!!!
• United States
20 Feb 13
I am religious but not radical. You are not religious and moral. Many would not belueve people like us exist. Some guy who lives morally Without a G-d? Some Jew who believe Jesus Is a G-d for Christians?! It just gos to show those with absolute views are missing out on knowing some good people.
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@inertia4 (27764)
• United States
22 Feb 13
We are original, thats for sure. You're right, there are not many of us walking around on this planet. LOL. Those radical yahoo's are a little off. And I am sure they think we are off in the head. Who cares is what I say. Always be who you are. Never change. Hey Now!!!!!
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• United States
22 Feb 13
Thanks twin.
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@Chico1793 (135)
• United States
19 Feb 13
I do believe you are either with good or evil. I want jesus to accept me. Most of my entire family is catholic. Although I am not Christian, I believe in Jesus our savior, our light, our only entrance to eternity and joy with our father. I admit I haven't been in good terms with god not do I frequently visit his houses, but is is difficult. I fear the day I die. I dot want to be dying and repenting last minute. I fear his judgement upon me, but it hard. And for those Christians who hate non Christians are ridiculous.They are not Christian at all. I dislike the fact that all other religions aside from Christianity, look up to saints and practically worship them. I have for a long time due to my family views on it but I kinda stay away from it now that I know Jesus is the only one can save us. He is the way, the truth, the life. Amen. I am not pushing religion upon you or anyone nor am i trying to. You have a free will to do as you please. I believe you have to choose either god or satan.
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• United States
20 Feb 13
Hehe well I guess we'll find out where we will really end up the day we leave the earth.
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• United States
26 Feb 13
I don't know if I am wrong for saying this but as in religion I kinda don't believe it anymore I only believe in Jesus and our father I think religions just separate everyone even more. The reasons are because I have came across Christians who are rude and very condemning towards non Christians they claim that if you are not a Christian you are not with god. Though I do not have much knowledge of the bible I am not sure if you are to be a christian to enter the peaceful home of our lord. One was a close friend of the family and would speak in a profane language with us every time he would be there and I have thought less good about that religion. Many claim Christianity as their religion but don't act in a kind way.
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• United States
26 Feb 13
It is so true. and they don't realize how they are making people turn away from Their version of Christianity. As an outsider I thought all you needed was your faith in Jesus and you are in! I think you are more close to the Christians Jesus wants! Thanks for your responses. take Care.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
18 Feb 13
Well, I don't think any true Christians hate or dislike anyone. However, there are probably 8% of true Christians in the world and a whole bunch of people who follow but don't follow the words. I think this is the viewpoint that some of the 92% of the Christians that aren't true Christians believe. I don't think it has to be either. SOME of Jesus' words were good words, but then again the former religions that are now just all classified as pagans by Christians, spoke these words or similar such as not doing to others would you wouldn't want done to you, etc. When asking yourself some of these questions remember that Christianity is a melting pot. It contains bits and pieces of other religions because that was how people in those times made Christianity more "attractive" to other religions much older than it. It is also how they kept people. No person has to be for or against Jesus unless they are insecure about dying. In which case, if you are for Jesus then you have a chance to go to a nice afterlife rather than a painful one. Life is so much simpler when people don't believe in either some sort of heaven or hell, but then again even Christians want rewards for their efforts of following the religion. Without a rewards system, I wonder how much happier they would be.
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• United States
18 Feb 13
" Christians want rewards for their efforts of following the religion"? what? Isn't Knowing your G-d is there when you need Him enough?Wow. So you believe you either believe in Jesus and go the heaven or you are going to hell? I'm hell bound if that is the Only two choices! I believe there are many paths to the Being many call G-d, other call Jesus. all you need to do is find which path and do our best and you make it.
• United States
19 Feb 13
Yeah. The Bible seems a bit odd in that respect. It was constructed by committee, deciding to use the stories which were being told at the time. No matter which gospels or scrolls or whatever else one may refer to, they're all simply stories laid out by man, some of which claim that a god spoke or showed them something, and others which claim run-ins with Jesus. The 6-day creation with rest on the 7th, Adam and then Eve from a rib, a forbidden item in paradise, and on and on -- these are stories from religions which predate Judaism and Christianity by big chunks of time. But that clears a lot of stuff up. I mean, whether or not a religion is truth isn't what I'm quibbling about here. If someone believes it, have at it. But that the holiest of holy books is just a by-committee canonization of popular tales of the time is the one precursor which would suggest it is never going to change. It was interpreted from the start. Even if the Christian God and Jesus are real, the stories are still those written by man. So it's obvious that it's going to be interpreted to fit man's will. If it were written by a divine being with the power attributed to the Christian God, there would be no committee. There would be no other interpretations. There would be no confusion. It would be the greatest thing ever, as a result of coming from the greatest thing imaginable. People wouldn't have to dispute--as is happening in this very discussion--what verse X means compared to verse Y, or what Jesus demands or doesn't demand, or what it means to be Christian. There would be no arguing about which story is a metaphor, which is to be taken literally, and which should be ignored because it contradicts another verse or two. As for a rewards system: I've heard some religious people tell me that, without their religion, they would just become evil, that they might as well kill themselves, etc, because there wouldn't be any point to life. Way to hold the moral high ground. I'm a huge proponent of spirituality. But when it comes to the dogma that always trails the big religions, it gets scary. I believe many of the religious people out there, of all different faiths, especially those perverting it to commit atrocity, would be much happier to simply keep their religion personal. It's the belief that everyone must abide that has led to so much disaster.
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
19 Feb 13
Here is the real dialogue between God and Adam (before Eve was created ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Djee2jA35Gg
@Pose123 (21666)
• Canada
24 Feb 13
Hi sarahruthbeth, That statement is utter foolishness and what you say here is correct. Christians of all faiths twist the words of the Bible to make it suit what they believe. Many Muslims have more respect for Jesus than most Christians! The same is true for the followers of other religions. I was raised a Christian and it is the only religion that I still associate with, but I would rather have an audience with the Dalai Lama than any leader in any Christian Church. That doesn't mean I'm against Jesus, it just means that I have great respect his holiness, the Dalai Lama. I also think that Gandhi followed the teachings of Christ better than any other person in the twentieth century. He was certainly not against Jesus, but was not impressed by most Christians. Blessings.
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• United States
24 Feb 13
Ok! All I can say is Amen! I think the Dalai is at more peace than any other human on the planet. I'm way too shy to meet him though. But I do respect him. Thanks for your response.
• United States
25 Feb 13
Gandhi didn't end up a racist. This is like bashing St Paul about his past. As for Tibet,There has always been torture of slaves and or prisoners, even in Christian countries.
@CODYMAC (1357)
• San Diego, California
19 Feb 13
I believe that if you are for something, then you agree with what is said, and done. There is documented proof from the first century that says Jesus was who he claimed to be. If that is the case then doing what he said, and believing what he said, is serious. How can a person follow someone they do not agree with? If they do, then it is either for their own gain or loss... So what is keeping you from following Jesus...
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• United States
19 Feb 13
He wants me to be someone I'm not. He wants me to love my enemies, not seek ouit revenge. so sorry if I started doing that all the rage would turn inward and I would want to kill myself. I rather have the right to be angry with someone and hope for the proper time for the proper revenge. That way I get to be nice until it is time not to be nice. Jesus wants me to be nice even when a person hurts me. That means to Him my feelings don't count. Sorry can;t do that. All this does not mean I don't Believe He is a G-d. He is just not mine, can't be. But I know He knows I know I will never be welcome in his following. But that is ok.I'm happy.My G-d. Jesus' father has a vindictive streak and He seems to be ok with me As Is.
@CODYMAC (1357)
• San Diego, California
19 Feb 13
"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves." Confucius. Your feelings obviously count if you are a believer in GOD. But it seems to me that you are just not really wanting to follow because it just doesnt fit your life style. Vindictive streak? I dont agree, and that is only because of the point that is missed when it comes to the Old Testament. He isnt an "angry god" getting revenge on his enemies... Who are his enemies? He really has none, because if he created everything, his "enemies" are destroyed with a snap of a finger. So if you believe in him, give respect where respect is due. And for Bible study to see about this "vindictive streak" you talk about, go to www.facebook.com/YahvahsTruthRestoredMinistries?ref=tn_tnmn You can talk about anything you like there.
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• United States
20 Feb 13
Casting Eve and Adam out of the garden when it Was His fault ,The 10 plagues on the Egyptians, And the Flood are what I call His Vindictive Streak. His Enemey is His twin Brother , the Devil. You can't have G-d without the Devil. to me they are a package deal. What you call my lifestyle , I call my life. I am happy to dig both graves Just as long as I get to put my enemy into his First! It is my core. without it I wouldn't be the nice person people say I am.No need for the Bible study. See if I find my G-d isn't like what I Need Him to be , then I'll be truly G-dless. i believe whatever version of g-d you Need , He will become. Christians need Jesus, Mr Nice G-d, Me I don't.
@rosekiss (30245)
• Eugene, Oregon
18 Feb 13
I accepted jesus many years ago, and without him, i wouldn't have a thing, or be what I am. As far as believing in Jesus, we are all given free will, which means we can either choose to believe in him or not beleive in him. Christians aren't supposed to hate like the one user said. I don't hate anyone, even those that might want to do me harm. the only one I hate is the devil, and I have a right to hate hi8m, as he is nothing but evil and I want nothing to do with him. the thing of it is, if you don't choose Jesus, then you choose Satan, as there is no other choice. you are either for Jesus, or you are against him. Kesis wo;; pm;u tale tjpse tp jeavem tjat wo;; be ja[[u tjere. I can hardly wait for Jesus to come back for his church and spent eternity with him in heaven. i hope I am not stepping on any to4es, but I am stating facts, and what the bible says. No one will be forced to choose Jesus, but in the same hand, he will destroy those that don't know him or believe in him. that is in the bible. i choose to believe and not be burned in hellfire. take care, and may God bless you really good.
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• United States
18 Feb 13
So even if I believe Jesus is your G-d and in Everything He did just because I don't see Him as My G-d I am going to hell? Ok! I rather go there and be myself than have to lie to get into heaven.
• South Korea
19 Feb 13
JESUS is the way THE TRUTH and the life.... He is not a lie...HE IS THE TRUTH.....rosekiss is right we are given the free will to choose.....yet It's HE who knows who are going to hell and who are going to heaven...but for me I choose HIM... I believe in HIM....HE is THE TRUTH. Have you ever wonder who made heaven and earth???? You've mentioned that you were made by your parents but who made them? who made you grandparents and ancestors????? May God Bless you!!
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• United States
19 Feb 13
G-d made heaven and earth and through evolution my parents were created. Not Jesus , but His father. My G-d. Did you assume I was G-dlesss Just because I am not a Christian? Well I'm not. I agree Jesus is Your truth , not mine.
@AmbiePam (50953)
• United States
21 Feb 13
I have GOT to meet these Christians you're talking to. They sound fascinating. Granted, they also sound somewhat horrible, but still, fascinating.
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• United States
21 Feb 13
Quite a few of them responded to this discussion. Go meet them. I'll wait patiently to troll after the initial "hello."
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@AmbiePam (50953)
• United States
25 Feb 13
No way, Jose.
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