Creation

United States
March 14, 2013 1:55pm CST
While studying the Bible this morning on the topic of creation it was brought out the fact that nothing was really said about the earth coming into existence. It just said it was without form and was void. It was not included in the 7 day week of having been created. It could have been a million years old before God decided to put living things on it. Water was all over it so he had to create mountains and islands for dry land and deep ocean beds to contain the water. It would have been nice if God had just fixed the earth so Satan and his angels could have been put here all by themselves and then confined him here. I wonder how long they would have lasted under Satan's rule?
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@1hopefulman (27591)
• Canada
18 Mar 13
HiHopefull90, are we related? How do you understand Genesis 1:1?
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• United States
19 Mar 13
I wondered how Mylot let me have the same name when I saw your name. I guess it is enough different that they let it pass. I used it because I am hopeful in living until I am at least 90ty. My mother did. I am not too excited about living pasted that as I probably will be very forgetful as I am already forgetful now. As far as Gen. 1:1 goes. The one Bible I read from said: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. Here it sounds like the mass of what we call earth was already here. I do believe that if it were already here that God did create it. He then separated the heavens from the earth. He divided the water and the land. The land he called earth. The question I have is this. If God didn't create the sun until the 4th day what was the earth rotating around? The article I read said there could have been a mass out there waiting for God to put energy into it so it would shine upon the earth. What do you think about that?
@1hopefulman (27591)
• Canada
20 Mar 13
There is more than one hopeful person in this world and it is an encouraging name. I'm happy that you also like it! Many translations put it this way: Genesis 1:1 Amplified Bible 1 In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth. I have always understood the word "heavens" as meaning all the universe beside the earth. Since the heavens were created first and the earth came after I don't see any problem. From Genesis verse two onward it is describing the earth being prepared so that man could live in it. What may have happened on the 4th day was that the atmosphere around the earth was modified in a way that the sun, the stars, and the moon were now visible from the earth. That's the way I understand it. Of course there is no way to know for sure. As we live for eternity, God will reveal more and we will know more. In Mark 10:27, Jesus explained that with God all things are possible. God's ways are way higher than our ways and so there is nothing that God cannot do. He can even see the future and as far as we know, it has not happened yet. Solomon, in Ecclesiastes 1:9 says that there is nothing new under the sun. Who knows exactly what that means? We have so much to learn and if have faith and are patient God will teach us so much.
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@Fatcat44 (1142)
• United States
14 Mar 13
Created can also mean to organize. Can any actually create anything when we say create in everyday verbage. No one organizes the matter he/she has into something. I believe the matter in the universe always existed and he only formed it into what we have today.
• United States
15 Mar 13
That is an interesting idea. Don't think I have heard that theory before but then I have never really studied how the world came about. I just read what the Bible says and I think there might be a lot that wasn't included into the scriptures.
@Fatcat44 (1142)
• United States
15 Mar 13
Especially, from my understanding, the greek and hebrew version, it uses words more like planning and organize.
• Indonesia
3 Apr 13
I would love to know very precisely how it all begin when it was the creation time, but seems like we don't know what exactly happened then. The bible do explain about it but doesn't seem very clear about it.
• United States
3 Apr 13
I think it would be like trying to explain such things to me as trigonometry. My brother who taught me Algebra and Geometry would say, "Forget it" because he knows I would not be able to understand it no matter how easy he made it for me. Creation most likely would be understandable completely by God and no other no matter how simple he tried to make it for us.
15 Mar 13
Hi there Hopefull90, greetings. You have just presented an interesting discussion. Allow me to give my point of view on this matter which I personally believed will contributes more to your enlightenment (I hope). First we should understand that "time lapse(s)" is being employed in the Bible. In other words, the next bible verse does not necessarily mean the continuation of the story flow of the previous verse. Take for example Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth". Then the "time lapse" of how many million/billion/ions of years is not revealed before the succeeding verse Gen. 2:2, which described already the condition of the earth, a cause and effect for that matter. But the initial creation of the earth (and all other creation of God for that matter) is beautifully made (Ecc.3:11, please read to verify) and ready for habitation (Isaiah 45:18, please read to verify). This can be verified also by the word "it was very good" (Gen: 1:31, please read to verify) speaking of the first six days of creation. It only proves that God is a creator of beauty, very good and perfect and not of WITHOUT FORM AND VOID or WASTE AND EMPTY. What happened then to the earth as described in Gen,2:2 is the result of a cause and effect. What could it be? The earth WAS or became without form and void because of angelic rebellion (cf. Isaiah 14:12 and Rev. 12:9 please read to verify). As a matter of fact, what is being described after Gen.2:2 is just a renewal of the face of the earth which was destroyed and became waste and empty. Psalms 104:30, "You send forth your Spirit, they are created; and you renew the face of the earth". For then your observation is right, you need only to get all the biblical facts and everything become clearer (I hope)... All the best mangtony.
• United States
15 Mar 13
Thank you for your input. More question are to follow if the earth was here for a length of time before God started putting life on it.
@Celanith (2334)
• United States
15 Mar 13
The bible is very condensed and does not tell every little detail or time yes the earth was already in existence. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Satan was on the earth prior to this war in heaven and the war caused planets to be destroyed and earth did become without form and void. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more. The earth was first given to satan to prepare for mankind and to be it's ruler of humanity he became rebellious and so Christ came to replace him. The earth existed before God made the things on the earth. It was without form and void. We don't know when it began. We know that God says Isa 9:7 - Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. (l) The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. There are some things we cannot understand or know yet we are given a glimpse it is like a surprise God has for us when it is time to reveal everything.
• United States
15 Mar 13
Thank you for your input. You did provide me with the text that talked about the precious stones. I was pretty sure that somewhere in the Bible it talked about these being on the earth. Since they are buried now deep in the earth that tells me that there had to be a flood which helped to age the earth.
@robspeakman (1705)
14 Mar 13
Sooooooo - Are we to take it this is the only explanation we are accepting?
• United States
15 Mar 13
Most likely not.
@peavey (16487)
• United States
14 Mar 13
The earth was without form and was void... but God's Spirit moved upon the face of the waters and God created light and dark and divided one from the other... and "And the evening and the morning were the first day." Granted, there could have been a period of time between "In the beginning..." and the first day, but the Bible isn't specific about it, so we just don't know and there is no way of finding out. How long would satan's angels have lasted under his rule? They're still here and so is he, so I'd guess they would make it for quite some time.
• United States
15 Mar 13
They might have I certainly can't say but I think if God had left them to their own devices that they might have destroyed themselves. Just a thought.
@dlr297 (5386)
• United States
14 Mar 13
1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. The first 31 Verses explains the creation Perfectly.....Looks like you stopped reading after the second one
• United States
15 Mar 13
I believe that he created those things on each day of the week. It is that the heavens and earth seem to be out of the 7 day creation period. It sounded like the earth could have been there already. I know the earth didn't come from an explosion off the sun because the sun was created until the fourth day.
@natliegleb (5186)
• India
15 Mar 13
ya that is really great including water and all forms of life on earth,i am amazed