Is organic always better?

United States
April 3, 2013 6:32pm CST
I feel so stupid. I never buy organic foods because the stores like to charge an arm and a leg for them. Well, today like a fool I go and buy organic carrots. They are long skinny azz things instead of nice plump ones. They have the long green grassy stems on them that is just wasted. I asked my Mama Joe if she thought I could use them in a soup and she said no it would give the soup a bitter taste. So I feel that part is wasted. Now the price. It was nearly $3 for 5 skinny carrots. The carrots in the bag look lots nicer and plumper and don't have the worthless stems on them. I bought 2 bunches that won't go very far. I cut up one bunch and out them in the crockpot with my corned beef, potatoes, onions and cabbage. I have one more bunch left for when I make it again. I really feel that I should have not been swayed by the word organic. Your thoughts? Did I get poor value for my money?
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@celticeagle (158958)
• Boise, Idaho
4 Apr 13
I always buy the baby carrots in the bag. They are tasty and just what we like for salads, soups,-- whatever. The price you mention is about what we pay for a large bag of these. Organic is supposed to mean that it is grown organically. Maybe they need to look at their methods a little closer or who they are buying from. I would talk to the manager and tell him/her how disappointed you were.
@celticeagle (158958)
• Boise, Idaho
4 Apr 13
You should let them know. I figure if you don't let people know there is never any change. Ya, I like the baby ones best. And I don't mind paying a little extra for them to clean them up for me.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
We shop at Ingles all the time. They know us. I think I will do as you said the next time I go and I see him there. I got them cooking in the crockpot now with the corned beef. If they taste good I won't complain too much. They have huge bags of carrots but I wouldn't have room for all of them. I can get done fairly big bags though. I like those baby carrots too. Maybe I will get a couple of big bags if them. They are already peeled, cut and shaped. I looked at them but just didn't get them.
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@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
7 Apr 13
oh no poor PQ. I dont buy the organic stuff much as its too expensive and as you say they look measly too. Recently I went to the supermarket close to work to get me a healthy snack and I got me a packet of carrots. I just compared what was there and the organic ones this time looked better, fresher and were only cents more expensive than the others so I got them. I dont like carrots that much but had about half the container (roughly 1 pound) of them over the work day snacking on and off. They were so good that I bought more of them next day put them in the backpack and carried them home..... LOL
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• United States
21 Apr 13
Hi RitterSport, I bought two big bags of baby carrots the other day. I put a couple of handfuls of them in my soup. It's probably done by now, but I have it still on low in the crockpot. When my other soup is gone tomorrow, I will wash out that big container and store this soup in there. It will last me for at least 3 days. I can't wait to get my new set of 3 crockpots for my birthday. I will have my vegetarian soup in all of them and then freeze the soups, so all I have to do is take some out of the freezer when I want it.
• United States
7 Apr 13
I love to buy those baby carrots to eat with salads and stuff. That was a great snack for you RitterSport.
• Lippstadt, Germany
9 Apr 13
hi dear PQ I love these baby carrots too but they are really expensive so I wont get them often.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Apr 13
What you got was a product that didn't have pesticides sprayed on them. They were grown probably by a small farmer, not by some big corporation that is taking over our food supply, reducing biodiversity, driving small farmers out of business, making gene-mod products that will have heaven who knows what effect on our bodies, etc. Yes, organic is more expensive, but are some of those cheaper products really worth it in the long run? And don't get me started on meat and dairy products that aren't organic.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Apr 13
No, you can't, but I'm just saying there are benefits. cost isn't the only factor. But in the case of these carrots, I agree, too expensive.
• United States
4 Apr 13
I can't spend a thousand dollars a month on food for the month. As it was it was over $500. My daughter panicked when she saw how much it was. I like corned beef. One was over $15 and the other was $17 and change. They are big though and I can get 2 meals out if 1 and make a crockpot full of soup which will last a few days. That one price for meat can be stretched to make several meals. We ran out of food in March and we spent about $400 last month. Stuff is real expensive here. The cost of a jar of store brand of tomato juice is over $2. I bought 3 of them. A pack of onions is almost $4. Ground beef is about $3.49 a pound. I got a lot of ground beef.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
4 Apr 13
Organic foods are the biggest scam out there right now. There's a lot that's wrong with the "organic" industry. First and foremost, organic farming goes against everything we've accomplished in agriculture. We're able to feed far more people with better crops due to our scientific advancements, herb and pesticides, etc. "Organic" farming is all about growing the way stuff naturally grows. Well, how well did that work out for the Irish? How well does it work in parts of the world where hunger is a huge issue? Then there's the fact that there isn't any hard science which suggests organic is better for you. If anything, it could potentially be more dangerous for you. If there's some disease in the crop or a deadly bug, you're done for. And if a disease settles in the crop, the crop is history. This is a cost passed on to the consumer quite regularly. Organic food also costs a lot more money because it takes more land, more time and more effort to grow organic crops. In a wide assortment of blind taste tastes, organic foods consistently lose out. 50% would suggest chance, which would suggest a guess, which would suggest the food items taste similar. But they never do. More people always go with nonorganic. Organic foods are for those individuals who believe recycling plastic is actually making a difference, or that purchasing carbon credits is helping to heal the planet. There also aren't any regulations in place which demand honesty from organic distributors. You can be buying something "organic" that was grown in China instead of at a local farm. It's an industry surviving off of the guilt of human beings and our desire to inherently do what's best.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
4 Apr 13
There's a lot that's wrong with everything we've accomplished in agriculture also. Pesticides being just one issue. Genemod corn, soybeans, wheat, etc., are wiping out biodiversity. Think of the Irish, and what might happen when Monsanto's soybeans that are resistant to Roundup prove not to be resistant to some natural scourge, for example. On the other hand, a lot of organic companies are owned by the very same big food companies that produce most of our other food. There are issues on both sides of the fence...
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• United States
4 Apr 13
I wouldn't suggest that today's agriculture is the picture of perfection. Unfortunately we never advance far in this world without some things going badly. A lot of animals had to die in the quest to perfect heart surgery. And still it isn't a "perfect" science. It's very risky. Thousands of people die every year from heart surgery. And, of course, without the surgeries hearts aren't going to heal themselves. So it comes down, in my opinion, to the necessary risks and potential hazards of advancement vs. the faith-based approach of letting the natural state decide your outcome. Chance vs. choice. Genetically modified crops are, in many instances, resistant to common disease, do not require a lot of space or water to grow, grow more quickly, and have literally saved the lives of billions of people. That some bugs may suffer or that they still aren't "perfect" or a host of other potential hazards -- it's still the right risks for the proven outcome without the crops: Starvation. And higher prices, more farmlands required, more water required, etc.
• United States
4 Apr 13
Hi Materfish and Dawn. I hear what you both are saying. I had not ever thought about it going against the mass production of crops, bit I think you are right. I'm learning something here.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
4 Apr 13
Generally no. Most people who buy into the "organic" (which makes me laugh, because show me the inorganic carrot) stuff, often claim it's better for you because they don't use chemicals. This is actually not true. 'organic' farmers use chemicals just as much as 'inorganic' farmers. The difference is, the traditional farmer uses man-made chemicals, and 'organic' farmers use natural chemicals. As you well know, there are many natural chemicals in this world that are a thousand times more toxic than anything we can come up with. But the 'organic' people assume that man-made is bad. In reality, man made sprays are designed to degrade, and evaporate over time. For example sprays used on Apples, are designed to degrade just before being shipped. By the time the Apple reaches your supermarket, the pesticides are gone. On the other hand, 'organic' farms have been known to use highly toxic tree sap. Of course tree sap doesn't degrade over time. After all, we dig up tree sap from thousands of years ago, and find insects trapped in it. Obviously it didn't naturally degrade did it? Now I'm not suggesting that after you clean, wash, and cook your carrots, you'll die. But I am suggesting that 'organic' is more a fad, than something factually good for you. It's more a way to get you to pay a lot, to get a little, and make you feel good about not using man made chemicals in the process.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
Thanks for this clarification. I didn't know that man made chemicals degrade like that. That's good news.
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
4 Apr 13
I've lived on whole organic fresh produce all my life & have been 100% vegan raw since August 2011. The pesticide arguement is just one of more than 20 long arguements in favour of buying organic. Check the website in your country, as I won't bore you with them now. Organic plant produce is actually cheaper to produce than the other stuff. Most of the cost is due to covering the rather costly & comprehensive certification costs, in an attempt to ensure grower accountability & traceability. There are many individual growers however who have done the wrong thing, are doing the wrong thing & deliberately trying to exploit the system. This hurts consumer confidence in the industry. I'm not going to comment on your specific case, but I'd rather have a couple of bunches of carrots that look skinny, than eat something that has potentially been "beefed up" with God-knows-what hormones, pesticides, GMO's etc, etc just to look good for you. After eating organic fresh produce for a time, the supermarket fruit & veg tastes really terrible.
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• Adelaide, Australia
6 Apr 13
With all due respect, these arguements in this discussion are rubbish! Money buys facts, buys studies skewed to a pre-determind outcome & "rubbishes" the truth of the matter by independent analysis. Monsanto deliberatly & repeatedly targets the organic industry as a whole as well as individual growers. Just look at the outcomes of every single court case they've been in & make up your own mind on the matter. Washing does not get rid of pesticides - plenty of studies show it. GMO's continue to produce pesticides whilst in your body - they are designed to do just that. Check the patents. There is a lot, lot more involved in the value of organic fresh plant produce than meets the eye that consumers cannot tell just by looking at the stuff. I'm not going to ram all the facts down your throat because this is a collosal & wide-reaching arguement, but invite you to look into the matter for yourself. There are two sides to any arguement & people should be informed as to exactly what they are consuming. Labelling laws are deliberately very lax so consumers are totally dumbed down in this regard. I will never vote for the ghastly, under-handed practices of non-organic fresh plant produce with my purchasing dollar nor the blatant lies & mis-information that stems from the desire of a government-backed US GMO company to dominate the world's food supply & obliterate all existing competition by the most foul means that they think they can get away with. Many countries have complete & permanent bans on the stuff. Before the second world war here, everything was grown organically & there was no need for such a label. For more than two thousand years before, organic permaculture has been the only means of growing the world's food supply, owned by the individual farmer & biodiversity flourished, yields were massive & nutritional content - both measurable & not - were awe-inspiring. How many varieties of apples did we have just 200 years ago? Over 200... today just a few. And potatoes? Today just a few. Are we better off for all US agricultural advances? No. We're worse off than we've ever been before at any point in history with the highest cancer & heart disease rates ever, not to mention infectious & non-infectious fatal diseases.
• United States
4 Apr 13
I think washing the fruit and veggies will balance out the organic hype that its better. If you read some if the comments here you will see they say its all a scam and that there is no way to feed the masses on puny fruits and veggies on a grand scale. They mentioned what happened in Ireland. I think it's great when oeople can grow their own food, but that's not possible for everyone. It's terribly high and not worth the money, in my humble opinion. Maybe if I saw them reasonable on a roadside stand, but even they are high.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
3 Apr 13
No matter whether you buy organic or not, you have to pay attention to how the produce looks. Three dollars isn't a bad price to pay if the carrots are good. Most organic produce is as good, if not better, looking than the rest. They will probably taste very good, though, and you can be assured you're not eating pesticides and herbicides with them.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
I always wash and scrape the peelings off them, so I don't know if in eating pesticides or not. These are so puny. They are just a little thicker than pencils. I won't buy them again I don't think.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
4 Apr 13
Pesticides and herbicides penetrate beneath the peelings, especially of root vegetables. I wouldn't buy them if they're that small, but I won't buy "conventional" carrots.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
4 Apr 13
The only time I eat organic veggies are when they are home grown by yours truly, when it comes to buying in the shops I refuse point blank to buy organic, because as you rightfully said you will get charged an arm and a leg for them. How can you be 100% per sure they are 100% organic? We always wash our vegetables anyhow, so I can't see many advantages if any of buying organic.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
I hear you Wolfie. I am on a short income and my online pay. I ended up oaying $535 for our month's supply if food yesterday. Of course there was probably a hundred or more on non food items too like dog food, detergents, cleaning stuff and bowls. I needed more mixing bowls and storage bowls and I got them.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
7 Apr 13
If a product is organic, it's my understanding that it's grown naturally with no artificial attributes like fertilisers or sprays. Ergo, organic should be cheaper but that is not the case and I think it's a rip off and I will not pay the prices they ask. At least the price you paid wasn't too bad but I will be sticking to regular carrots. I buy the smallest because I reckon they are younger and sweeter than the big ones. Your corned beef, cabbage, potatoes, carrots and onions is making me look forward to the coming winter months. Yummy
• United States
7 Apr 13
I made soup out if the broth. It was so good. The meal is gone but I still have soup for a couple of days. I won't ever buy organic again unless its better and cheaper than regular.
@lilybug (21107)
• United States
4 Apr 13
I almost always buy organic when it comes to bananas and strawberries. They taste SO much better in my opinion. I feel they are worth the price. I don't normally buy organic otherwise.
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@lilybug (21107)
• United States
4 Apr 13
I have noticed that if you wait till organic bananas are yellow to eat them they seem over ripe. I eat them when they are still slightly green.
• United States
4 Apr 13
I don't know why but SIL brought home organic bananas and they were half rotten. I wasn't impressed at all. I can't afford to spend more than I already do. I know lots of folks here talk about buying organic but I just don't think I can spend a lot more than I do.
@artemeis (4194)
• China
4 Apr 13
To me, I am more concern about this "sterilization" process which though may be good for our health is actually hurting our immune system. These organic products are another means of the hurting process where we are getting to become so clean that we would not be able to tolerate some petty infections. I prefer to go along with nature on how vegetables and livestocks are farmed and reared. It is environmental considering how the various cycles are not being disrupted, the population is increasing and we need to keep the cycle or we would be creating trouble indirectly for ourselves and the environment we live in. So, my concern is not the money issue but the entire nature itself.
• United States
4 Apr 13
You are so smart on every topic Artemis. I had not thought about our immune systems at all.
@silverfox09 (4708)
• United States
4 Apr 13
I dont like buying organic things for that same reason . I dont like paying more and getting less . I normally go for what look better and taste better and maybe eat organic once a week
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• United States
4 Apr 13
They cooked up nice, but I think I will just buy baby carrots next time.
@prashu228 (37526)
• India
4 Apr 13
Hi Good topic. Actually now a days where ever i go i only see "organic good for health tags" Now i just started believing it then one day i watched a TV programe where the experts said that people are misguided about organic products . They said organic are not so healthy they are also like other normal products. Now I am complete dilemma whether to use the organic products ,Even if i use what good or special benefits do i get. well as of now i am trying to get the proper answers for all these questions.
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• United States
7 Apr 13
That's what I am hearing too. I wish I had bought my regular brand of baby carrots.
@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
4 Apr 13
I hear most things are. But to tell you the truth I never buy anything organic at all.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
I don't think I will be doing it ant time soon. I felt like a fool afterwards paying so much for a handful of carrots.
• Mexico
4 Apr 13
I bet all that stuff costs 10x the normal ones. Good for us, not for me.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
4 Apr 13
organic means that are not sprayed with pesticides, there is a controversy on whether or not they are better for you. I don't buy organic they are too expensive for me.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
Considering that we wash the fruits and veggies it doesn't make a lot of sense. Some if my commenters said its a scam to fool the buying public. I feel like a fool spending $6 for 10 measly carrots.
@alottodo (3056)
• Australia
4 Apr 13
I usually don't buy organic because is too expensive and the other factor is if they don't come from organic seeds then they are not organic after all! I plant my garden with vegs every year and never use pesticides but I can't say is organic because I use commercial seeds.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
I guess different farmers would define organic in different eats. Some say they don't use commercial pesticides but use natural. Then others might say they have to be natural seeds and not commercial. Some say you don't use pesticides at all. It gets rather muddled where to draw the line between organic and inorganic.
@jambi462 (4576)
• United States
4 Apr 13
I would say that organic is always better because they don't have harmful pesticides sprayed on them and you also don't have to worry about your fruits and vegetables being genetically modified when you buy organic. Many of the pesticides used in commercial farming have been shown to cause cancer and create other mutagenic problems in humans. It's pretty shocking to me that companies are still allowed to use pesticides like that when they have been proven to be linked to cancers in high doses. Now often these results are from high exposure to the chemicals but in my opinion if it can cause cancer in high doses than why eat even a little bit of it if you can avoid it. I am in the same boat as you though and can't afford to buy everything organic but I try to as much as possible. It sounds like you did get a crummy deal on the carrots that you bought but where did you buy them from? I would suggest you going to Meijer's to buy any organic produce if you are really interested in buying organic. They have really good deals on organic produce there and I would highly recommend you to buy Earthbound products. If you have a Meijer's in your town then they should carry organic mushrooms, salad mix, carrots, cauliflower, broccoli, and probably some other vegetables as well. As for the carrot greens that you are talking about they are edible and you can use the tops as salad greens if you so choose. The carrot tops are also really good for you but I don't know if I would cook with them as I think they are meant to be eaten raw. I hope that this one bad experience of buying organic produce won't cause you to shy away from organic produce. If you read up on pesticide use, genetic modifications, and what organic actually means and it's processes of production you will see that organic is the much better and healthier choice. I would also recommend you to go to some local farmer's markets as they have the best deals on any produce regardless of the methods used to create it. You can also get a wider selection of organic produce and heirloom varieties and you can ask the farmer themselves how they produce their food. Have a good day friend
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• United States
4 Apr 13
I understand where you are going with the pesticides and stuff. We don't have that store near us. We only shop at Ingles. They have lots of stuff with fairly good buys with the advantage card. The carrots cooked really pretty and maintained their pretty orange color. It seemed like the orange color was brighter than regular cooked carrots. They had lots of fresh veggies that I never buy. I may start looking closer for other organic veggies if the orice isn't too bad.
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
4 Apr 13
As much as I love organic there is no way I would have brought any type of carrots; 3 dollars for only 5 skinny carrots. All organic foods are so much more money and alot of people just can't afford them. I think its a shame that only the rich can eat organic. I'm lucky to have alot of fruits and veggies growing in my yard throughout the year; only because I live in Puerto Rico. So I could have at any given time mangos or avocados, Plaintain and banans, tomatoes, green peppers. etc...
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• United States
4 Apr 13
It was no buy at all. $6 for 10 skinny carrots because I bought 2 bunches (not even the right word-bunches). I'll not do that again.
@srisahara (4508)
• Indonesia
4 Apr 13
I often read that organic foods are better than non organic foods. I think it is right because organic foods free from pesticide that harmful for our health. But maybe in this case you just meet bad seller. It does not mean that organic foods is not good choice for our healthy.
• United States
4 Apr 13
I don't know. I wash my veggies before I prepare them. The cost is out of this world high.
@emily7339 (1337)
• Malaysia
4 Apr 13
I love to eat organic vege as it is of sweeter taste. I used to buy organic vege some years ago but no longer now as it is too costly.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
I wonder if our relatives will plant a garden this year. I would chip in and also help to tend to it.