Please give me a tip.

@dpk262006 (56217)
Delhi, India
September 30, 2015 11:19pm CST
Hello everyone! Many of us visit restaurants and hotels to enjoy lunch or dinner, if not regularly once in a while. We finish your lunch/dinner and we ask for bill. When the waiter brings the bill, do you give him some extra money as a tip for his services? Now a days in many countries (including India) there is a concept of adding a component of ‘service charges’ (it is different from service tax/any other tax). The service charges are included in the bill as extra charges and this is a kind of tip in other words but it is distributed among the entire staff. The point is if any restaurant includes service charges in its bill and we pay the entire bill, should we give a separate tip to the waiter? It is possible that you do not notice whether any service charge has been included in the bill and you just pay the entire amount mentioned in the bill and push off. Do you mind paying a tip or do you feel that it is not required as waiter is paid salary for his job by his employer? Your thoughts please.
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@vandana7 (66110)
• India
1 Oct 15
The restaurant owner is making cool money at the cost of poor waiter or waitress. They collect those charges and pay them their pay, while such charges are also included in the food charges. I think that is rotten. But if you go there, you haven't got a choice. Do not deny the poor man his pay. But if you can, make others aware of such things so that they do not frequent that restaurant.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
Yes, everyone tries to exploit the poor waiters. If service charges are included in the bill they are distributed among entire restaurant staff not only among waiters. However, the tip (in cash) goes into the pocket of the waiter.
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• Udaipur, India
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 what is wrong if it is distributed among all the staff? After all they are also serving you in some way or the other. If you want you can pay the waiter separately.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
@Shyamalaa - There is nothing wrong if the service charges are distributed among the entire staff. However, only the cashier knows how much service charge has been collected in a day and others cannot come to know, so there are chances of manipulation in distributing the amount. Secondly, if a restaurant is levying service charge then paying a separate tip does not make much sense, provided you have ample money and you go to that particular restaurant again and again.
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@owlwings (39391)
• Cambridge, England
1 Oct 15
In the UK, very few restaurants automatically add a service charge to the bill (and if any tax, such as Value Added Tax, is due, it is automatically included in the total but stated as a separate amount for those who are able to claim it back, as some companies can. I believe that every worker should be paid a fair wage, agreed beforehand when he/she takes the employment. This may not, of course, be a 'living wage' but it should not be lower than the statutory amount set by the Government. I know that, in some countries, there is no 'minimum wage' agreement as there is here, but that is a separate issue. I don't think that it is right that any worker should be forced to rely on gratuities from the customer. They are not employed by the customer and it is up to their employers, not the customer, to see that they are paid fairly. That being said, I do nearly always leave a tip (usually no more than 10% of the bill) and I hope that it will go to the person concerned and not be shared out between all the workers (some of whom may well not have given as good a service as my waiter). A problem with tips in cash is that they should be declared as income though I know that they very often are not. It is illegal to not declare income and so I am sometimes reluctant to leave a tip because I don't want to feel that I am encouraging fraud in this way. If I ever come across any bill with a service charge automatically added without my previous consent, I immediately cross it out and refuse to pay it. If I ever met with any objection to this (and I don't think I ever have), I would dispute the entire bill and the owner would have to take me to court to recover the amount owed.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
It means there are some restaurants in UK which add the component of service charges but not all. Yes, I fully agree with you that every worker (read waiter) should be paid a minimum amount of wage so that he could at least survive. However, sadly waiters are paid low salary because the restaurant/hotel owners presume that they will get some part of their salary through tips and the total would be suffice. We as a customer pay the tip for their services because it has become some sort of tradition. I would also give some tip if I find that the service was excellent. I am in agreement with you that it should not be obligatory on our part to pay service charges if the service was not up to the mark. Service charges are understandably distributed among the entire staff rather than waiter/waitress only. Thanks for your views and wonderful response.
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@vandana7 (66110)
• India
2 Oct 15
That is a good analysis. But declaration of it as income would come into picture if the waiter or waitress is earning enough to be taxable. Right? Present taxation system does not consider many such possibilities. We in India can't do what you do to unacceptable service charges. Actually, you are right. Mercantile law requires that both be aware of what is to be paid and received. But service charges are cleverly included after the person has finished eating.
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@owlwings (39391)
• Cambridge, England
2 Oct 15
@vandana7 In Britain it will usually state on the menu (or elsewhere) that a service charge (usually 10%) will be added to the bill. This is not very common in restaurants but more common for hotels (when booking accommodation). If I am told about it in advance, I would usually accept it (though I believe it is not a legal requirement to do so) but if it were added to the bill without warning, I would certainly query it and refuse to pay.
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@celticeagle (118609)
• Boise, Idaho
1 Oct 15
That is up to you. I wouldn't. And I don't like it when they do that. I only give a tip if it is warranted. If they do good service.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
So you do not mind giving a tip, if the service is good? But will you still give a tip, even if there is service charge in the bill?
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@DaddyEvil (25145)
• Aurora, Missouri
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 Ah, I wondered if that is what you meant! In the U.S. (at least in my part of the U.S.) it is not normal practice to add a service charge to the bill. Since I have never come up against this, I am not sure what I would do. I can tell you my gut reaction to a service charge being added to my bill, though. I would ask that it be removed. I choose whether to tip or not and the amount I tip. That should always be my choice, or I won't eat in that restaurant again... I would make that very clear to the management! Another thing the management would learn is how quickly I can post practices I dislike on the internet and make sure it is seen by MANY people!
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
@DaddyEvil - It is not normal practice to add service charge in the bill in all the countries. Yes, you are very right that if you don't like the service or you are not satisfied with it, you could always ask to deduct the service charge from your bill and I am sure it is done at your place. Giving a tip is entirely your choice and if you do not give it, there is nothing wrong in it.
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@thesids (22358)
• Bhubaneswar, India
1 Oct 15
I dont go to posh restaurants - the Three+ Star ones. I go out to smaller eateries. And we know how things are at these places. Service tax or no No Service Tax, I do give the waiters some tip only when I am satisfied with their service and how they attend me. There have been instances when I have simply walked out because the food was not tasty or even the service (attending) was not satisfactory.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
I understand that you do not mind paying tip to a waiter if you are satisfied with service. However, service tax is different from service charges, which now a days many reputed restaurants have started levying.
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@thesids (22358)
• Bhubaneswar, India
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 Yes, and there was also another incident. Whilst travelling via Shatabdi Exrpess which includes the fooding, and mentions Do not Pay tips to the waiters and attendants, these people still ask for tips - indirectly - and I refused to pay as neither the food nor the service was anywhere good. I saw some others paying 100 INR as tips to them.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
16 Oct 15
@thesids - Yes, what you have observed is very right that in such trains, waiters expect tips despite poor service and food. But I inquired from one of them and I came to know that they are paid a low salary and therefore, they expect tips to survive and their duties are very taxing. (sorry for the delayed comments)
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@besweet (7227)
• Greece
1 Oct 15
I always leave a tip that is proportional to the total amount. I am also checking what I am paying for so I would definitely notice. About the tip included in the bill, I'm afraid that if it becomes compulsory the salary of the waiters will be decreased and the tips will become part of it. I like it the way it works now, with seperate tips that are additional eanings for the person who provides the service.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
It is some sort of matter of our acknowledgment if we give a tip beyond the bill amount. It seems that you are okay with the current system of paying tip, so that waiter could get something extra? Do you give tip to other service providers also? (e.g. Plumber/carpenter or your car driver etc.)
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@Marcyaz (35651)
• United States
1 Oct 15
I do not like being told to pay a certain amount, it is my money and I will decide how much to leave.
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@besweet (7227)
• Greece
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 I don't leave tip to service providers, they are already too expensive. I give tips to people who deliver food at home as well. I think that they deserve to be tipped because they will bring the food even if it's raining or snowing outside. It is also very common to leave tips to hair salons here. If the tip is compulsory then it's not a tip. It could be named "service tax" or something similar. I agree with @Marcyaz too about the amount of money we can leave for the service provided.
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@cahaya1983 (10043)
• Malaysia
1 Oct 15
If the service is good, why not. It's just a sign of gratitude, I guess. I don't do it because I feel like I have to or because it's a custom.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
It is not clear whether you give tip or not if the service is good? Do you mind paying the tip, even if bill has a component of service charge?
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@cahaya1983 (10043)
• Malaysia
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 I meant yes I do, if the service is good. I wouldn't mind paying it even if the bill has service charge on it.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
@cahaya1983 -Thanks for clarifying, if you feel like paying a tip on account of good service, there is nothing wrong in it.
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@jstory07 (68287)
• Roseburg, Oregon
1 Oct 15
I give a separator tip since in the USA a waitress is paid less than minuem wage.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
So you feel compassion towards waitress because they are paid less and you do not mind paying them a tip.
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• Pune, India
1 Oct 15
Oh! I heard it for the first time. But I heard many students take up these jobs for earning some part time jobs at local restaurants during their graduation..
@inertia4 (27688)
• United States
1 Oct 15
I always tip the waiter or waitress. Even if the tip is included in the bill. I feel that is the right thing to do.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
2 Oct 15
You feel that even when service charges have been included in the tip, you do not mind paying the tip.
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@inertia4 (27688)
• United States
2 Oct 15
@dpk262006 No because it is the right thing to do. I have always given a tip when I go out to eat.
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• Portugal
9 Oct 16
Inertia4 it shows that you are a good person i also like to do that even though i have a low salary.i learnt that with my parents everytime we go to a restaurant we always give a tip even if is a small one :)
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@fufurinha (11518)
• Portugal
1 Oct 15
I just like to tip someone if I've really enjoyed the service. Bosses should pay enough to their waiters and waitresses and not wait for us to pay them.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
It is good that you are kind enough to pay the tip to the waiter if you are pleased with the service. You are very right that restaurant owners should pay right amount of salary to waiters and waitresses so that they may not expect tip from customers. However, in reality they are lowly paid because their employer presumes that they would earn handsome amount through tips.
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@fufurinha (11518)
• Portugal
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 Usually they receive a miserable salary. I feel bad for them. But it is true that once in a while they get amazing tips.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
2 Oct 15
@fufurinha - Yes, waiters are paid poor salaries, therefore, they expect tips and many a times they earn more amount through tips rather than their salary.
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• United States
1 Oct 15
I would leave it up to this..if you are extra pleased with your server, yes by all means, leave a bit extra if you can afford it.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
Yes, you are right that if we find that there was something special in the service, we should not mind paying some tip.
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• United States
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 If I were your server, I hope you would be very satisfied. I used to do this as a job. Loved it.
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@kiran8 (15354)
• Mangalore, India
2 Oct 15
@TiarasOceanView Thats good, I am sure yu were a very considerate server..
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• United States
1 Oct 15
Tips are expected. When you think about it tips should be given for good service, not because it's expected.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
Do you give tips for good service in a restaurant ?
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• United States
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 Yes, especially if I plan on going back LOL!
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• Pune, India
1 Oct 15
@AbbyGreenhill, Yes, your point is valid. I have a question here. Let's say, You usually go to the same restaurant very often for Lunch / Dinner. And a same waiter / waitress serves you the food you order. His/Her service and treatment is good. But One day, you noticed that natural smile is missing on his/her face. It's not because of you, but due to his/her personal problems. You don't know the fact about inactiveness. Then How to you deal with the situation? Will you offer tip as usual ??
@ria1606roy (2683)
• Kolkata, India
1 Oct 15
When service taxes are involved, I don't pay tips. Those taxes already imposes a whole lot of money on the bill, and I don't feel the need to pay any extra. However when there's no service charge, then I've no objection.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
Aa ha....it is not 'service tax', I am talking about 'service charges'. Service tax is something like VAT or sales tax. Next time when you visit a restaurant and get a bill, just check the bill to see if the restaurant has levied any 'service charge' on the bill. If they have already added service charges, then there is no need to pay any tip.
• Kolkata, India
1 Oct 15
@dpk262006 oh ok....yeah I was talking about service charges. Thanks for telling me the difference.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
@ria1606roy - I thought so that you wanted to refer to service charges rather than service tax. Now a days many restaurants levy service charges, besides service tax (e.g. VAT etc.) and sometimes we do not notice and pay the entire bill. The thumb rule is - if we are dissatisfied with service, we could ask the owner to deduct the service charge from the bill.
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@DaddyEvil (25145)
• Aurora, Missouri
1 Oct 15
Well, it actually depends.... If the waiter/waitress paid attention to my needs during my meal (i.e. noticed my glass was almost empty and brought a refill, whether I actually wanted it or not, brought an extra napkin if I dropped mine) then yes, I do add a separate tip to my server because s/he went above their actual job to make sure my meal was beyond my expectations... (In the U.S. a waiter/waitress does not make minimum wage doing their job. The difference between minimum wage and what that person earns is normally made up by the tips customers give for services rendered. If you already knew this, I apologize. I am simply trying to be clear on your thread.) If I had to ask repeatedly for a refill of my drink or ask more than once for a replacement napkin if I dropped mine, then no, I would not tip the waitstaff because I can get service like that at a place that doesn't have waitstaff and does not charge for them... I do not penalize the waitstaff if my meal is under/over cooked or is not as flavorful as it should be because that is not his/her fault. As long as s/he performs their function satisfactorily, I do tip. (The better my service, the larger the tip I give to my server.)
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
Yes, you have a valid point to make the if you go to a restaurant and waiter pays extra attention to you, while giving you service, you feel inclined to pay him some tip. It is very right that waiters are not paid much because owners feel that they would get some tip from the customers and this will balance their total salary. I've heard in many restaurants/hotels waiters get more tip than their salary. You are right penalizing a waiter for poor meal may not be right because he just serves not cooks. However, the hard working cook does not get any tip from us. Thanks for your elaborate response. I loved it. Nice to meet you.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
3 Oct 15
@DaddyEvil - Yes, cooks/chefs also deserved to given the credit for preparing delicious and sumptuous meal and we acknowledge their efforts, it will motivate to do better. You do a wonderful job by writing an article on food and the chef who prepared it which not only gives wider recognition to the restaurants and by highlight the efforts of chefs also.
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@DaddyEvil (25145)
• Aurora, Missouri
4 Oct 15
@dpk262006 Thank you! BTW, do YOU also tip a chef and waitstaff extra, or do you figure that the amount added by the restaurant is enough?
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@kiran8 (15354)
• Mangalore, India
2 Oct 15
Deepak, many of these employees are paid very meager salaries , so they look forward to getting some tip from the customer.If we can afford to give them a little something without it pinching us , I guess it is ok to do so..
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
2 Oct 15
I agree that many of the waiters are paid lower salaries and owner of a restaurant knows it very well that the deficiency in their salary will get covered up by way of tips, so these waiters expect tips from customers. However, now a days service charges are included in the bill by some of the restaurants and if we are paying over and above those service charges, that will amount to give like giving a tip twice.
@kiran8 (15354)
• Mangalore, India
2 Oct 15
@dpk262006 The service charges may or may not reach the waiters here because it goes with the bill...I agree that we end up paying more if we want to tip the waiters and pay the service charges as well..
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
2 Oct 15
@kiran8 - The point is for buying a dinner which will cost say Rs.500 (should we pay Rs.600 which may include component of service charges plus cash tip to the waiter)
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@toniganzon (51693)
• Philippines
4 Oct 15
Giving a tip has never been mandatory in our country because it isn't our culture. However, due to the influence of the western culture so many years ago, it has become customary for us to give a tip. Still, not mandatory though. In my family's case, when we have enjoyed the service that was given to us, then we give a tip to the server because we believed he or she deserved that. So our gauge of giving tips depends on how nice the service is.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
4 Oct 15
Yes, it is true that if we are satisfied with service and we find that there was something extra ordinary and we were treated good, we do not mind paying tips. Paying a tip is not obligatory, still we pay it as an acknowledgement of one's efforts.
• United States
1 Oct 15
I have never worked as a waitress/ as waitstaff, but i recently was chatting with a good friend of mine who is one (and loves it). She was telling me about an instance her and her fellow waitstaff ran into this past summer with a large group of teenagers/young adults who were working as counselors at a near by summer camp. This camp brings in high school/college aged kids from all over the world and kind of creates a "global community" where they can learn from each other and about each others cultures in a hands on, personal way. Anyhow, back to the topic on hand, the group would come in once a week, order a lot of food and drinks, stay and hang out for a long while, (often make a mess) and never once leave a tip. The waitstaff of this restaurant eventually got to the point where they HATED seeing the group come in, and would do anything possible to NOT be the one to have to service their table. See, here, waiters and waitresses do not even make minimal wage, as they are expected to make up the rest of their salary through tips (and the better service you provide, the better tips you make, so it is considered incentive to provide the best service you can). One night my friend "drew the short straw" and got their table. Somehow a comment was made that allowed her to tactfully question why they never left a tip. It was then that both parties were enlightened. The patrons were under the impression that the tip was already added onto their bill and/or that waitstaff was adequately paid and leaving a tip was actually insulting, as that was the normal procedure in their culture. My friend (and her staff) were enlightened that these "kids" were not just being rude, but were just not aware of this aspect of American culture. Needless to say, she got an awesome tip from the large group that night, and they also promised to bring up this information at the next staff meeting so they could inform the rest of the camp. From what i hear, the rest of the summer the waitstaff at this restaurant fought to GET this table when they came in, instead of trying to pawn it off on someone else. I guess if you are going to be traveling, looking into the issue of whether to tip/look for a service charge etc. should be on your to-do list.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
2 Oct 15
Very well said. Nice to see you here. I believe you would have taken considerable time to type your long and interesting response but it is the best one, I could say without any iota of doubt. The incident which you have narrated is an eye opener for those who travel a lot and travel to different destinations. In some of the counties, giving a tip is considered as a courtesy, while in some of the countries it could be an insult to give tip to waiter. I think the purpose of that meet/workshop to learn about different cultures would have been greatly served by this very incident. If I happen to visit any other country, I should first inquire about the customs prevailing their about giving a tip and then I should only pay a tip or otherwise. Here in India, if we dine out and find that the service is excellent, we do not mind paying tip. It is true that in most of the restaurants waiters are paid meager salaries and their survival largely depends upon the tips the get from their customers.
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@garymarsh6 (14264)
• United Kingdom
1 Oct 15
IF the restaurant owner is honest and he truly distributes the service charge to his staff that is good however we hear that many pocket this money for themselves. The staff should be paid a decent wage in the first place and if someone has served you exceptionally well they deserve a tip. I actually prefer giving it to the waiter/waitress in their hands to make sure they get it. I do not like to be reminded to tip as happens sometimes in the USA. That makes my blood boil and feel like not tipping them but offering them the verbal tip of not being so damned rude!
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• United States
1 Oct 15
I always give a tip even if they have a built in one in the bill
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
Wow! You seem to be kind enough to pay the tip, even when the restaurant has included service charges in your bill.
@SIMPLYD (80362)
• Philippines
1 Oct 15
We always take a look at the bill if there is a service charge . When there is , then we don't give a tip anymore . But we do always leave a tip when there's no indication of a service charge .
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
1 Oct 15
It means that service charges is added in your bill if you go to a restaurant to dine out? Paying a tip in addition to the service charges does not make sense. You do the right thing by not paying tip, if you have already paid the service charges.
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• Portugal
18 Mar 16
would be great if in my country we worked like that but here people only give a tip if they want and the money they want. for example i work as a receptionist and i rarely receive a tip and my salary is very low. would be great if all clients gave at least 0.50 cents. in the end of the day even i earned only like 2 or 3 dollars would be great. i receive like 15 euros payment for work 8 hours and in my country thats very low
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
21 Mar 16
It depends upon the service sector, where you have been working. Even if you wish, people won't tip you as a receptionist because they think that it is your job to attend them. They may give you some tip only when they find that you have done something out of the way for them (which they did not expect from you). I am sorry to hear that you get low salary for your work.
• Portugal
9 Oct 16
@dpk262006 thankfully sometimes i receive tips but not so often.i feel very happy not only because im in need of extra money to help my family but also because it shows that the person liked me.its very good to feel that you are working hard and people value your work
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
13 Oct 16
@sweetloveforeve - Yes, I agree with you that if you receive a tip, irrespective of the amount, it makes you feel that your efforts are being acknowledged.
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