A Question For Muslims!

@owlwings (39626)
Cambridge, England
November 14, 2015 7:02am CST
There are, I know, quite a few Muslim members here. I have seen many condemnations of the recent attacks in Paris from members but I cannot recall seeing any from a member I know to be Muslim. Is this because such horrific killings are justified according to the Koran? Is it because, whether justified or not, you are not allowed to speak ill of those who profess to be Muslims? Or is it because you are scared of the so-called 'Islamic State' (or, perhaps, scared of what non-Muslim members here might say) and afraid of reprisals? I would like to hear a Muslim view of what happened in Paris on Friday evening. I would like an honest opinion, please, and if you feel it necessary to justify it or condone the actions, then you should say so! This is an open discussion forum and people should be allowed to say what they feel, as long as they observe proper decorum.
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23 responses
@amnabas (10317)
• Karachi, Pakistan
14 Nov 15
My dear i am from Pakistan and a muslim i am condemning and sharing the grief and mourn in various posts since morning.
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
14 Nov 15
Thank you, Amnabas. I cannot see how any sensible human would not do the same.
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• Greece
23 Nov 15
I have a Muslim friend from your country who would say exactly the same thing as you. I am sorry that your religion has been deliberately brought into disrepute by these killers.
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@LadyDuck (171623)
• Switzerland
14 Nov 15
I found a comment on my discussion by a Muslim and it was so outrageous that I have deleted it. I hope it was only an isolated case, because this one wrote that we are all corrupted and this is what we deserve.
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
14 Nov 15
I, too, hope that it was only an isolated case. The alternative is disturbing.
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@marguicha (100518)
• Chile
15 Nov 15
I want to add that yesterday I read a post that all muslims should be killed. If that is not terrorism, I donĀ“t know what it is.
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
15 Nov 15
@marguicha Which post was that? If it still exists, it should be reported if it really said that.
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@TheHorse (71293)
• Pleasant Hill, California
14 Nov 15
I hope we hear from some Muslims. My Muslim co-workers are just folks. But I do wonder if some Muslims are afraid to speak out against Jihadists because of the level of violence perpetrated by these so-called "Muslim" terrorists.
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@norcal (3214)
• Nevada City, California
15 Nov 15
I wonder if they are worried about being targeted by Muslims and non-Muslims as well.
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• Greece
23 Nov 15
It isn't just that people are afraid for themselves, they are afraid even to show their faces in case they are recognised and someone hurts their family.
@thesids (22358)
• Bhubaneswar, India
14 Nov 15
I am not a muslim. I have no religion that I believe in except one - Love and Humanity. Whatever happened in Paris (and in other parts of the world - the acts of Terrorism) - I am sure, no religion teaches hate and killing innocent and unarmed helpless people. It is just that some brainless people are following Morons who call them the Guardians of Law. Whatever be the reasons cited by those who do these Terror things, these can never be justified on any ground - even an eye for an eye thing - as if we all start believing in this, the world would have been blind by now.
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• India
14 Nov 15
@owlwings, Well I am still not against any community.You can say I belong to no religious community. Though school/college form consists of a mandatory option to be filled as Religion. If you haven't listened to any of the speech then I will request you to listen one. When you listen them talking you will laugh at their speeches. I don't know why they bring god-allah in their speeches . Well none of gods whoever it is ,god- allah-jesus-krishna, has said to kill people and while killing others if they die then they will get place in heaven. Heaven ? Seriously ? Never mind. I still wish if weapons were not invented and there was no word like kill-killing-Murder in dictionary.
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@yugocean (8799)
• India
16 Nov 15
Well Krishna never said that, but there is Zero tolerance for evil doers. Duryodhan was a great devotee of Lakshmi Narayan, but his devotion was not worth his action
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• India
16 Nov 15
@yugocean Indeed, it's our karma which will decide in the end.
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@salonga (27957)
• Philippines
18 Nov 15
I hate it when they generalize Muslims. Not all Muslims are terrorists. I am not a Muslim but I used to have Muslim officemates and they are very friendly and peace loving.
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@jstory07 (69353)
• Roseburg, Oregon
19 Nov 15
It takes just a few bad ones to ruin it for everyone else.
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• Greece
23 Nov 15
The Muslim communities should stand up to those among them who are teaching or being taught a corrupted version of their religion.
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@salonga (27957)
• Philippines
23 Nov 15
@41CombedaleRoad That is the best thing they could ever do.
@DWDavis (13108)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Nov 15
I have studied Islam and the Qu'ran and nowhere in its past or its teachings does Islam condone the kind of killing that took place in Paris or Friday nor the methods of ISIS anywhere they operate. ISIS is a gangrenous growth that must be amputated from the body of humanity.
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
15 Nov 15
It bothers me that Muslim countries aren't seen to be doing more to ostracise these people.
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• India
15 Nov 15
I have nothing against the community. However, I wonder why they leave it on others to be their advocates... Everyone says "those don't represent us" but then who does? You are so silent about your views and prefer to put a stop on any attempt.... then can you really complain your (non-existent) voice was not heard? I'm really concerned now. And my friend, even you don't represent them...
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• Preston, England
15 Nov 15
@owlwings Morocco has openly condemned the attackers and Morocco is a predominantly Muslim state - the vast majority of Muslims are as outraged and disgusted by the attacks as the rest of us
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@amadeo (70857)
• United States
14 Nov 15
Same here.Love to hear from them.Why is this happening.
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@babaraimc (1323)
• Pakistan
20 Nov 15
I am a Muslim and i condemn this, so does every other Muslim i dont that you Media doesn't cover it or you people just dont listen Here in Pakistan, everybody condemned it many prayers are done for Paris, Facebook members turned their profile picture into Flag of France, walks to support them, our Prime Minister,President condemn this i think you People should think a bit before starting a blame game
• China
16 Nov 15
I am an atheist,but I have the impression that they all persuade people to practise philanthropy in various creeds.It is beyond me why those who claimed to be Muslims would create Paris' incident where so many defenceless people were slaughtered.I agree with you ,the real Muslims should come to their Muslims' defence and uphold justice at the moment .
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@babaraimc (1323)
• Pakistan
20 Nov 15
I am a Muslim and I strongly condemn this shameful act of brutality, So does everyone else Islam never allows any sort of Killing of Innocents Terrorsts are using the name of Islam to defame Islam we dont consider any of them as Muslim they are not even human
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• China
20 Nov 15
@babaraimc I agree with you.IS is an enemy of people from all over the world, including real Muslims .They are nothing but extremists and inhuman mobs in the garb of religion .
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@babaraimc (1323)
• Pakistan
20 Nov 15
@changjiangzhibin89 thanks for understanding, they are a real threat for us we our trying our best to keep IS out of our country they should be dealt with iron-hand
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• Ambala, India
14 Nov 15
See it's never like a caste is bad .It's created by humans .It just separates us .So don't go on caste.
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
15 Nov 15
I am not sure what caste has to do with this discussion, however, I certainly agree that the caste system is not acceptable in the modern world and causes many problems with Human Rights.
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• Greece
23 Nov 15
@owlwings Even in England we have a concealed caste system, we call it working/middle/upper class. The difference is that one can go up a step or two with hardwork and helpful circumstances.
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@Bluedoll (17054)
• Canada
17 Nov 15
I'm Christian @Owlwings. A complication that exists with many Muslim's is that religion becomes a integral part of everyday life, family, even dress. Politics and commerce are all part of being Muslim. I don't agree @Asylum in your well thought out comment as my view is that all men should judge what others do and be prepared to be judged. Religion in the history of mankind has always been misused and so not to mention God is leaving religion out of religious actions. Belief's should not be left out if it is a purely religious question. In this case, I think religion is very much a part of it. Men have declared "a holy war." The words of Mohammed are being misused to fuel animosity in this war. "isis the infidel" is presenting to the world that Allah is only about their hatred. It is therefore not enough to condemn attacks but to condemn the men that are offending Allah to make such a declaration. Therefore Muslim's can not only condemn attacks but also condemn isis for disrespecting Allah. They can honour Allah this way in public or in prayer. It is their faith that should allow them to do so.
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
17 Nov 15
If it were possible to give more than one 'like', I would have done so here. You have argued my reason for posting this discussion so well that I don't think I have anything to add to it.
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@hora_fugit (5439)
• India
14 Nov 15
You might not have seen me condemning the attack... I find it of no use now. This is an open discussion forum and people should be allowed to say what they feel, as long as they observe proper decorum. Big ! Though my decorum includes being highly agitated.
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
14 Nov 15
I haven't seen your responses yet, @hora_fugit. I'm sure that you have said all that you had to say already, and that I understand.
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@yugocean (8799)
• India
14 Nov 15
It was just Religion of Peace acted as peaceful activity, nothing else. They will do, they will condemn, nothing new.
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• India
14 Nov 15
We can say whatever we like, but the need of hour is what @owlwings has asked - a direct view. Don't agree with the "keep shut but I will not judge you" opinion.
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@yugocean (8799)
• India
14 Nov 15
Will you condemn Islamic Genocide in India also ? Massacre of Kashmiri Pandits of 1990's ? In Pakistan during Partition, it was 25% Hindus, now they are nearly extinct, any Condemn ? I will not target anyone, but these acts actually happened, and then some condemn, some praise for killers and just like it
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• India
14 Nov 15
@yugocean It's more about bringing terror in people then any religion. It is the way we looked at it. Not necessarily a group of people were targeted. It is more about creating terror. Well if you and me are in same family and I kill you then you it will be national level. If you target other nation's people it will go international one. In those serial bomb activity done by terrorist in 1993 in Mumbai, then 26/11/2008 those 10 terrorist came in India. Muslims were killed in both attacks. It's Political parties - news channels who showed us like that.
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@shellyjaneo (1091)
• United Kingdom
16 Nov 15
There have been many muslim clerics and heads of state condemning the attacks. The Imran from one of the biggest mosques in France came forward condemning the attacks as well as leaders from other Muslim countries. The problem is the media doesn't seem to cover it very much. You can find them all online though. The Q'uaran definitely does not condone this sort of behaviour. I am not Muslim but have read into the religion quite a bit in recent years and it clearly states that ' any man who kills an innocent is as though he has killed all of mankind' It is a peaceful religion but just as many religions have been before it, it is being twisted by a minority to commit atrocities. x
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@babaraimc (1323)
• Pakistan
20 Nov 15
yeah you are right, you are one of the few who read something about Islam, many dont do this and just rely on the knowledge they get from here and there i always suggest them to read into Islam then they will know that Islam certainly doesn't allow this terrorism you have quoted a single beautiful Saying there are many more... if someone use the name of the Islam to kill someone, He is definitely not representing Islam, He is using this name for his benefits
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• United Kingdom
20 Nov 15
@babaraimc The way I see it is that there have people using religion for their own evil wants and needs for years, they have done it will all religions. There have been plenty of Catholic terror groups in the past but it doesn't mean all catholics are evil. It is a dark time for Islam at the moment but it won't last forever. I treat each person as an individual and don't judge them by the acts of people from the same group as them. I think people really need to think before they judge x
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@babaraimc (1323)
• Pakistan
20 Nov 15
@shellyjaneo thank you , you are absolutely right if some people from any community do wrong we should not generalize this to whole of the community
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@tallawah (9136)
• Kingston, Jamaica
15 Nov 15
In my 4th Country there was condemnation of the Attacks from both parties and the Muslim community here. There aren't many of them...but still.
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@wiLLmaH (8236)
• Singapore, Singapore
14 Nov 15
Following this discussion...
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@rebelann (42519)
• El Paso, Texas
15 Nov 15
It always boils down to one thing, whose religion is THE ONE. There is so much history about Christians slaughtering those who were not, Muslims slaughtering those who were not, ancient Romans slaughtered Christians because they couldn't conceive of a single God, Catholics slaughtering Protestants because they dared go against papal rule and the list goes on and on. Humanity does not learn and keeps trying to force their religion on those who do not believe as they do, it's always tragic. If only we wouldn't teach children any kind of religion then let them choose when they are old enough, do you suppose that would solve the problem?
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@owlwings (39626)
• Cambridge, England
15 Nov 15
I'm not even sure that 'religion' has much to do with the events in Paris and Beirut and Mumbai. They were certainly done with the words "Allahu Akhbar" on the perpetrators' lips but what was in their hearts can only have been pure hate.
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@rebelann (42519)
• El Paso, Texas
15 Nov 15
The same as what happened in New York City in 2001 @owlwings it only takes a few misguided extremists to cause a catastrophe and gain negative reactions to the religion of their choice. I doubt they had a clue about anything they were doing. So many were so young when they were brainwashed, it's a wonder this planet still exists.
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@jstory07 (69353)
• Roseburg, Oregon
19 Nov 15
@owlwings Pure hate is hard to understand and the why behind it is hard to understand. The WHY is what will always be in the minds of the family who loss their love ones.
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@gudheart (12742)
24 Nov 15
I know many Muslims and all of them are shocked and sickened by the attacks.
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@Vivenda (588)
• Portsmouth, England
17 Nov 15
Basically, people are people! I know for a fact that there are many Muslims who are horrified by acts of terrorism, and many Muslims have become the victims of such attacks. (Remember Ahmed Merabet after the Charlie Hebdo attack?) I have heard ignorant and extremist views expressed by Christians about Muslims on many occasions. Irrationality and violence is not confined to one religion, and people interpret the Bible, as well as the Koran, to suit themselves upon occasion.
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@shshiju (10571)
• Cochin, India
19 Nov 15
We are humans first. rest are second
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@jstory07 (69353)
• Roseburg, Oregon
19 Nov 15
As humans we should all get along and love each other. We are not doing that. We are doing wrong to each other.
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