You Can Almost Feel Sorry For The GOP

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@DWDavis (11542)
Pikeville, North Carolina
June 15, 2016 8:21am CST
but not quite. Once again the presumptive nominee for the GOP has sent the party leadership scurrying for cover as they try to distance themselves from his anti-Muslim rhetoric and his insinuation that President Obama might be on the side of the Daesh Death Cult (aka ISIL) and other radical terrorist groups. All I could do when I saw this in the news was shake my head sadly and utter a mirthless laugh. Why are any of them surprised that Mr. Trump would say the things he said? He's never made a secret of his feeling about this issue. Could it be the GOP leadership was naïve enough to think Mr. Trump meant it when he said he would try to behave in a more professional, Presidential manner. As I've said often, Trump is one leopard who cannot change his spots. His true nature will always trump (pardon the pun) any façade he attempt to create. Considering that the American born Orlando attacker who killed 49 at Pulse probably did so as a manifestation of his own conflicted homosexuality more so than because of any true allegiance to the Daesh Death Cult or other extremist cause, Mr. Trump's hasty words seem even more indefensible. While many Americans agree with Mr. Trump, I put this question to them - Once you've banned all Muslims from entering the US, what are you going to do to combat the home grown radicals like the Fort Hood shooter, the San Bernardino shooters, the Chattanooga shooter, and yes,even the Orlando shooter as his affinity for radical Islamist groups appears to have played a role in his decision to stage the attack? I am honestly curious to know what extreme measures you are willing to take to prevent attacks like these because no one wants such attacks to happen again.
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@JohnRoberts (59743)
• Los Angeles, California
15 Jun 16
Most of those shooters you mention were on watch lists and known to authorities. Trump has stated the FBI etc take harder more in depth looks and investigations. There's nothing that could have been done to the Orlando shooter as he was a US citizen so he couldn't be deported. It's case by case but as in the case of Boston, they knew they were bad apples and did nothing more. Trump is just asking for stronger looks. The same effort as taken with with the intense "watching" of the Mafia. You keep stating Trump wants a ban on Muslims period and they are to never, ever be allowed to enter. Not true. A "temp" ban for the purposes of improving vetting and screening. Don't you agree to have a better system to alert possible criminals entering rather than the current y'all come! I ask you, what has the Muslim community around the world done lately to make us disagree with Trump's view? You are a teacher. You know history. There is a pattern of forcing a certain way of life through violence dating back to the Crusades. These days peaceful exploitation is a new tact as evidenced by the newly elected Muslim mayor of London taking the first baby step in imposing Sharia Law on all citizens. Did you know that deportations for expired visa decreased 80% under Obama? The problem is Trump doesn't articulate well. What he probably means is Obama is a Muslim sympathizer. His biological father was Muslim, his stepfather was Muslim, he grew up and was educated in a Muslim country and that Obama expresses more empathy for Muslims than Christians whom his side is waging war upon. Obama asks we bend over backwards to accommodate and assimilate to Islam rather than Islam adapting and respecting the country they were graciously allowed to enter.
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• Dallas, Texas
15 Jun 16
You are always on point, John.
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@Corbin5 (109184)
• United States
15 Jun 16
Thank you for this, John.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Jun 16
@lookatdesktop John loves to defend Mr. Trump, but this time he actually missed the point. The real question is, suppose we do impose such a ban as Mr. Trump wants, what do we do then to stop the radicalization of American youth? We have to defeat the ideology, or we will never stop the problem.
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@Dena91 (4364)
• United States
15 Jun 16
I'm not really sure what the answer is, but I will say I found myself agreeing more with Mr Trump's reaction to the senseless killings than President Obama's. One thing that bothers me about the killer is that he was on the FBI and CIA watch list and yet was able to buy that semiautomatic weapon. My question is why? Have a blessed day
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@Dena91 (4364)
• United States
16 Jun 16
@DWDavis Thank you. I did not know some of this information. I'm not sure what the proper answer is but I do know as long as there is hate in a persons heart, tragedies like this will never stop. Cain used a rock to kill his brother Abel and there has been hate in people's hearts since.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
@Dena91 Humanity has always been a clannish/tribal species. Any peace among gatherings of diverse groups has always been enforced by the threat of violence from the strongest among us. We are not, by nature, a humane and compassionate creature. We have learned to be so to enable us to live in large, civilized groups, but the veneer of civilization is a thin one.
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• United States
15 Jun 16
@DWDavis While It seems that people are failing to note "Temporary" in their reference to Mr. Trump's call for a ban, it is true that we cannot stop all Terrorism. Having talked to several friends over the years who are Muslim here is what I would ask you to consider: Each of the Attacks you mention are first generation Americans, Their parents were Refugees/ Immigrants from areas where Terrorist Groups are active. My friends have said they know some of the 'Radicals' in their faith focus on getting to America and working to train their children to carry out these acts as a way to keep from raising suspicion. It is a difficult process to find 'Homegrown' terrorists as they blend into American fabric. One other aspect is that 'Homegrown' terrorists have been around for the entire life of America. These are points I was told by my Muslim friends when I argued your very point with them several years ago. I said that I did not want them to be discriminated against because of their beliefs as I knew them to be good people. They told me that it is part of the reason the different 'Tribes' are fighting in their homeland. They expect nothing less here because we have to keep everyone safe. (This was after 9/11).
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Jun 16
You are correct in that I left temporary out when I referenced the ban. I believed that to be understood. It is disturbing to note how on point your Muslim friends are about first-gen Muslim Americans being radicalized. I found an article that focused on the same phenomenon. Could the problem be the incompatibility of Islam and Democracy, or of Islamic values and traditions conflicting with western, particularly American, values and traditions? I have often heard and read that for a Muslim to be true to his or her faith, he or she cannot ascribe to the western ideas of liberty, equality, and democracy, because these ideas go against Sharia and the teachings of the Qu'ran. I do not necessarily agree with this point of view but I would be interested to know what your Muslim friends might have to say on the subject.
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• United States
16 Jun 16
@DWDavis From what my friends said back then... It is a combination of parental influence and control. Remember how the information is coming out about the shooters dad being a bit over the top with his son. How the first wife was supposedly abused and the talk of him possibly being gay... Those are all ways to hide the true focus and goal while also showing adherence to Sharia Law. My friends told me of similar stories and said that the parents would publicly deny everything and voice sympathy for victims. In private they would be praising their son for what he did. Interestingly enough the daughter and or grand child would be ways to keep the process going. Does this sound familiar?
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
@Berniezeitler It sounds frighteningly familiar. As I have mentioned elsewhere, I do not believe the Qu'ran and the Constitution can live in harmony.
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@Jessicalynnt (47895)
• Centralia, Missouri
15 Jun 16
I will vote for an independent before I vote for trump or clinton
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Jun 16
You and me both, my friend.
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• Centralia, Missouri
16 Jun 16
@DWDavis I know it's like flushing our votes...but.... it's like we have the option of voting for a flat poop or a round poop, they are both poop.
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@trivia79 (7914)
• El Segundo, California
15 Jun 16
i think the end of the world is near because of Trump LOL
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
If the Rapture comes during a Trump Presidency, I trust you will all miss me, as this seat will be empty.
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• Dallas, Texas
16 Jun 16
@DWDavis , The same goes for me.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
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@pgiblett (6595)
• Canada
15 Jun 16
A long time ago a great American author, Jack London, wrote about an American president who turned the country inside out. Many people compare the story "Iron Heel" to the rule of Hitler, but I have to wonder if it related to what the world would be like under Trump.
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@JohnRoberts (59743)
• Los Angeles, California
15 Jun 16
Obama and Islam are closer to Fascism and Hitler than Trump. They are bent to subject the people to their will and beliefs.
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@pgiblett (6595)
• Canada
15 Jun 16
@JohnRoberts Certain Muslims are close to Hitler through their actions, that is true.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Jun 16
@pgiblett, I haven't read "Iron Heel" but have you read "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis. It is along the same lines. Written in the 1930s it was a cautionary tale describing how the Fascism sweeping across Europe could easily happen in the US.
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• Shillong, India
16 Jun 16
By the way what is GOP
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• United States
16 Jun 16
@psanasangma The Republican Party: GOP stands for Grand Old Party.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
@Berniezeitler Thanks, Bernie. I was about to type the same thing when I saw you already had.
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• Shillong, India
17 Jun 16
@Berniezeitler Thank you!!
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@dlr297 (5411)
• United States
15 Jun 16
First Trump said we should stop Muslims from coming here if we can not vet them properly. If we can not find out who they are they should not be allowed here. What is so wrong with that. All he wants to do is protect the American people from the unknown. and that is the Presidents main Job to defend and protect. It is not Hate but all the actions of these radicals all over the world that is making him say what he does. and why are not more people wanting the same thing. Well the place that the shooter worshiped has produced at least 2. killers. That is not Good. When the complaints about this man came in they should have been taken seriously. And trump is right about others not turning him in when they knew what was happening. His wife knew she did nothing. I know if my child or husband was planning something like this i would do everything in my power to stop it. even if that meant turning them in to law enforcement.... When my first two children one in 3rd grade the other in kindergarten stole a bag of peanuts from the store one day on their way home from school. I took them back to the store and made them tell the clerk what they did, she made them pay for them, that was all. The next day when they were at school i went to the police department and had the police show up at school and pull them out of class, take them to the jail and show them what would happen to them if they did it again. I know this does not compare to what the shooter did, but their were people that could have done something, and did nothing. This shooter and all the others that are killing and carrying out these attacks all over the world in the name of Islam are being taught this Hate, some where. Look at the Laws in muslim countries they hate and kill homosexuals all the time, did his religion teach him this. look at the laws against women they have no rights. and the rape laws are stacked against them. What we need to do is find out why and where these people are being taught this Hate against innocent people. That is all trump wants. Why do you shake your head sadly when he all he wants to do is protect Americans.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Jun 16
But why should Muslim's be the only group of people we properly vet before they come to this country. Look at Germany's history, Russia's, Japan's. Look at what China is up to these says. Shouldn't we also be properly vetting people from these countries as well? Perhaps we should put a moratorium on all immigration until we get things sorted out here at home, and then we can look at those who want to come in and investigate them on a case by case basis to make sure they are the kind of people we want coming to American.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Jun 16
@lookatdesktop I just went back and tagged you in on a reply I left to John's comment where I mention a commentator I heard today lamenting the devolution of America into groups of tribes.
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@Lolaze (3164)
• United States
15 Jun 16
The GOP is screwed. They have a candidate they can't possibly support due to his boneheaded, racist statements and no other possibilities for a candidate but him.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
They could ask me to run, but they'd have to convince me they'd kick out all the Republicans in the North Carolina legislature and governor's mansion first.
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• Bucharest, Romania
16 Jun 16
is this a question like "what we gonna do with the insiders/intruders?"? If so, then you simply try to catch the terrorists, bring them to justice and ask them which punishment they choose for their behaviour?
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
Our FBI and other agencies are working hard to identify and catch the terrorists, but cannot watch every second generation Muslim in the US who might up and decide to become a lone wolf Jihadi. With our system of laws, you can't necessarily arrest someone just because they visit Jihadi websites or read Jihadi literature. When there is enough evidence for an arrest, an arrest is made. As to asking them which punishment they choose, I'd like the choice to be between, the noose, the electric chair, the gas chamber, or a firing squad.
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• Bucharest, Romania
16 Jun 16
@DWDavis ok. so, then what exactly is wrong with banning muslims from entering the country?
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• Bucharest, Romania
17 Jun 16
@DWDavis I disagree with this. I think that it is a greater risk to allow them inside than to ban them.
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@rhpinc (1327)
• Santa Barbara, California
15 Jun 16
I love the humour to you writing. And a good subject too.
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
16 Jun 16
Thank you. I'm glad you see the humor in the way I try to approach serious subjects.
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• Dallas, Texas
19 Jun 16
@DWDavis ,This discussion has been one of the best I have participated in so far to date.
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@koopharper (6299)
• Canada
15 Jun 16
Efforts need to be made to prevent the radicalization of Muslims in the west. That has to include the willing participation of the Muslim community. The rest of the world is never going to force it on them.
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• Canada
15 Jun 16
@DWDavis We can certainly do a much better job than we're doing.
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• Dallas, Texas
15 Jun 16
I always enjoy reading your posts, DW .
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
15 Jun 16
I sure know how to stir the pot, don't I. The Trumpers are so busy defending their would-be King, they are completely ignoring the question of how do we stop home grown radicalization.
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• Dallas, Texas
15 Jun 16
@DWDavis , It sure makes me wonder what they got, inside their back packs.
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@TheSojourner (17450)
• United States
18 Jun 16
I'm surprised he isn't calling for a ban on all alligators in Florida, as well. *RME* What a buffoon. *sigh*
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@msiduri (5749)
• United States
24 Jun 16
Thanks for the grin.
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@Jotomy (6354)
• India
17 Jun 16
that was horrible one,
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@DWDavis (11542)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
17 Jun 16
Was my post horrible, or are did you mean the Orlando attack, or perhaps Trumps reaction to it?
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@allen0187 (33488)
• Philippines
17 Jun 16
Something that I already wrote in another post, we cannot protect our rights by curtailing more rights. It doesn't work that way. Let's have stricter laws and extended reviews of the current ones and more so, stricter implementation of these laws but not to the point of curtailing our liberties. If we cross that line, the 'terrorists' have already won.
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@cacay1 (33067)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
16 Jun 16
But those attackers were already killed by themselves. Let us try to observe what happens if no more Muslims to enter America.If I were to decide, Muslims must not enter United States. Trump is warrior like, never afraid.Better if he is still in his 40's 50's.
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@sugartoes (41151)
• Greencastle, Indiana
16 Jun 16
I have to say when I 1st heard trump & all he has said from the GET GO OF THE nominee for president I was HOPING he stay on top but something happen that Hilary got the upper hand but it's not over YET BUT I have to say Trump is telling it like it is that's the MAIN reason why I stand up for trump he had ALWAYS shot from the HIP he tells it like it is & that's what everyone in the background don't like & I MYSELF is saying this is WHAT we need, we NEED someone that STANDS UP for the PEOPLE ! ! ! I hope people & the GOP & bigwigs can SEE what he stands for (US) united states for america we STAND.
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@shshiju (10546)
• Cochin, India
15 Jun 16
Election campaign and real rule is different . I don't think Trump will take so iron steps. If he do it will turn to himself.
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@Bluedoll (17067)
• Canada
15 Jun 16
There are some very serious topics. Should anyone write about something as serious with the word Trump in the same paragraph/article? Way back in time when he demanded the President provide proof of citizenship I knew this businessman was a great smoke, mirror and screen master. He is good at it but politics is seriously not his strength but then he makes no claim that it is. I don't know what they were thinking to want to put him in the political spotlight. But he is now there. Not going to comment on the serious issues.
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