Failing to Indict Hillary

@moffittjc (38437)
Gainesville, Florida
July 6, 2016 6:50am CST
The news was released on July 5th that the FBI won't be indicting Hillary Clinton for laws that were broken when she used a private email server to handle State business, information and secrets. For the millions of people who thinks Hillary walks on water, does this exonerate her? And for the millions that hate her, does this prove that she's above the law? I had a chance yesterday to read the FBI's report on the matter, and interestingly, throughout the document it basically says that she was guilty of several crimes for her use of a private email server while she was serving as Secretary of State. So my question is this: is Hillary so powerful that she can manipulate the Justice system? Or if the FBI chose to pursue indictment, would it have drug Obama into the fold as well, causing the FBI to expose a deep-rooted system of corruption? Or is our system inherently set up to benefit the rich and powerful? Do we not only have a broken political system, but do we also have a broken justice system? Or does this all go to show how corrupt our entire system of government actually is? I don't know the answers to these questions, but based on appearances alone, it seems that our system is either completely broken or the Clintons are more powerful than anyone wants to admit! I'm not condemning Hillary, but just asking questions that many may have on their minds. It just appears to me that the rich and powerful get to play by a completely different set of rules than us common folks. Your thoughts?
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16 responses
• United States
6 Jul 16
In reading the Investigation it seems clear to me that several things are at play. 1. The Clinton's are able to manipulate the system. 2. The President is in it up to his neck. 3. Crimes were committed and the FBI was 'silenced' 4. All of your points are accurate. Here is something I take away from the way that Mr. Comey addressed the situation. He said that no charges were going to be recommended but also listed out an indictment path. This may have been done to send a message to those who would not indict that the evidence is there but it is now your call. This would reveal their malfeasance. It also sends a signal that he may resign if Hillary is elected and make new recommendations if she is not (that follow the evidence). While his lack of a recommendation to indict may seem a bit out of place with what he said, it may be a message that keeps them aware of the consequences. Once he resigns he becomes a private citizen and can speak his mind without the threat of violating the law. By not sending it to a grand jury or suggesting an indictment it also makes all of the material public much sooner. It may well be that his actions are a form of conscientious objection.
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@JohnRoberts (45068)
• Los Angeles, California
6 Jul 16
It's just another liberal government administration cover up/fix just like it all just happenstance that the IRS pursued all Tea Party and conservative groups just prior to the 2012 election. Or that Holder refused to prosecute the Black Panthers captured on video harassing and verbally abusing older white voters arriving to vote. No, no this administration so beloved by many of you is all about equality and justice and being fair.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
8 Jul 16
@JohnRoberts I'm a conservative, but to be fair, Republicans in Washington are just as crooked and dirty as the Democrats. But yes, that Black Panthers video really upset me, and sadly, I feel this sort of action is going to be tolerated and accepted more and more as time goes by. We used to be a nation that prided itself on ethics and rule of law and making morally correct decisions, but not anymore. Corruption, crime and unethical practices are the new norm in Washington.
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@JohnRoberts (45068)
• Los Angeles, California
8 Jul 16
@moffittjc I agree with you. I am extremely displeased with the Republicans whom I consider almost as responsible as the Dems for the current environment we live in. In fact, Republican behavior in DC is is many ways more appalling the Dems whom at least you understand where they are coming from.
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@JudyEv (108320)
• Bunbury, Australia
6 Jul 16
It certainly sounds like she is powerful enough to get away with some wrongdoing. There really has to be one rule for all. I don't see how any country can operate any other way.
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• United States
7 Jul 16
I agree. One rule for all. Several Secretaries of State besides Clinton did the exact same thing. They had private servers and did business on them. This was no deep dark secret, and no one complained at the time, because it was legal, and still is.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
It should be one rule for all, but the reality of our corrupt and evil world is that the rich will do anything to keep themselves in power, including changing the laws to benefit them, or in this case, displaying that they are above the law. It happens in nations all over the world. I used to naively think that in the United States, a system of checks and balances in our government and political systems kept everyone honest. However, I'm now convinced that the entire system is rigged in favor of the rich and powerful.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
@ElizabethWallace But the difference in this case was that she was handling classified information on a private server. In the FBI report, it acknowledged that she had broken several federal laws, but yet they still chose not to indict her. It is what it is, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over the issue. Regardless of whether she was guilty or not of any law violations, our legal system chose not to pursue prosecution. Whether we like it or not, we have to live with the decision.
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@irishidid (8523)
• United States
6 Jul 16
Probably doesn't want to end up on the Clinton kill list.
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@Wordly1 (479)
• Kingston, New Hampshire
6 Jul 16
This one deserves an A+!
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@JohnRoberts (45068)
• Los Angeles, California
6 Jul 16
There was no question the fix was in from the top down and nothing was ever going to happen to Clinton. People hate Trump and those haters overlook his constant criticism of a biased corrupt government ruled by arrogant elitists from both parties and this is yet another example proving his point. But of course those same haters believe in "justice" for only one side and as long as their darlings go unscathed and their enemies crucified they don't care.
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@Wordly1 (479)
• Kingston, New Hampshire
6 Jul 16
For a 'buffoon', Trump is sure scaring a lot of people, none the least, in the GOP...Just what are they trying to hide?...Hmmmmmmmm?...
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
This was just one more nail in the coffin for our corrupt government and political system. I guess the big question is...is it too late to fix our broken system of government, or are the rich elitists so firmly in control that there is no way to right the sinking ship other than watching it collapse in on itself? Trump may not be the most qualified person to lead the nation, but at least he's not afraid to call out what is going on in Washington!
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@JohnRoberts (45068)
• Los Angeles, California
7 Jul 16
@moffittjc I am afraid it is too late. Even if by some miracle Trump was elected, his every action and move will be blocked and contested by both parties.
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@LoriAMoore (4816)
• United States
6 Jul 16
It was clearly pre-decided by the way she didn't have her lawyers with her during her interview, it was done on 4th of July weekend, and she and Obama had already planned using our taxpayer funds to fly her in AirForce1 to NC for campaigning. It was a sham!
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
I agree! And I think she knew all along that she wasn't going to get indicted, because she often bragged about it during her campaign stops! This whole thing stinks to high hell, and we're stuck with her whether we like it or not!
@Susan2015 (19613)
• United States
6 Jul 16
She got away with it , that's what it seems like.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
And there's not a whole lot more we can do about it, except use the power of our vote come November. The sad thing is, I almost believe that the outcome of the November election is already a done deal, and that no matter what Hillary is going to be the next President.
@Asylum (48355)
• Manchester, England
6 Jul 16
This is a global system and the police in virtually all countries are less eager to prosecute the wealthy or the famous. I recall an incident in England where Princess Anne's husband was convicted of drink driving, which is an automatic 12 months driving ban. He claimed that he needed the licence for daily duties, so he was fined instead. Many people have lost their jobs from this same issu, but the law,makes no exceptions for the average working man.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
You are correct that this is a world-wide problem. The entire global system is rigged to benefit the rich and powerful. It's pretty much always been that way, and probably will continue to be that way long into the future. But every now and then the common people get tired of it and rise up and revolt. Not saying that we need to start a revolution (at least in the violent sense), but maybe the common, average folks need to wake up and start making smart decisions at the ballot box during election times.
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@Asylum (48355)
• Manchester, England
7 Jul 16
@moffittjc You are perfectly right, we should start a revolution. WE ARE REVOLTING.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
8 Jul 16
@Asylum You already did your part...you left the EU! That sent a very clear message throughout Europe that Britain isn't going to take this crap any longer. Now it's our turn to try, although I don't think the American voters have the guts to actually vote for any real change. We're just too apathetic and complacent.
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@Platespinner (19247)
• Winston Salem, North Carolina
6 Jul 16
I think the founding fathers are all spinning in their graves at the moment. Our government seems to have devolved into precisely the kind of institution that they were all seeking to avoid.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
I agree with you, but I also wonder if this sort of thing has always gone on in our government, but it's just becoming more public now. At least in time's past, it was easy to hide corruption because it was easy for Washington to control the media. With so much technology at everyone's fingertips these days, and the success of social media, I wonder if it's becoming harder and harder for the corruption to remain hidden?
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• Winston Salem, North Carolina
7 Jul 16
@moffittjc That's entirely possible.
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@Dena91 (3957)
• United States
6 Jul 16
Sadly it proves how corrupt our entire system of government truly is. An average citizen accused of the same would be arrested, gone to trial and jailed. Sad day once again in America. People want to put their heads in the sand. It's time to wake up. Have a blessed day friend
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
It's already happened with several of our military leaders, and some of the "lesser" officials in government. I have to say, the Obamas and Clintons and any other rich and powerful politicians should be careful about what they're doing and who they're pissing off, because we still have a very powerful military, who so far has remained silent through this whole mess, but at some point may say "enough is enough" and step in and take control. I don't know how many people have been paying attention, but Obama has slowly been removing powerful military leaders from positions of power and influence, probably in the hopes of not only silencing them, but also for the purpose of trying to weaken the powerful military grip on Washington.
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@Dena91 (3957)
• United States
7 Jul 16
@moffittjc Mike and I have been paying attention to it as we have family in the military. What is scary is that so many aren't or just don't care. The future of our country is at stake. I'm nervous about this election because so much is at stake. We're praying but I have a feeling we are going to pay a heavy price because of who gets in.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
8 Jul 16
@Dena91 I'm afraid of the same thing. I think our country is in for a rough time over the next several years or more.
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@UncleJoe (9237)
• Virginia Beach, Virginia
6 Jul 16
Don't protest so avidly or Hillary might have you killed.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
Yeah, for sure! But I'm not saying anything that millions of others haven't already said. The thing is, she doesn't care what people think of her, she's going to do whatever she wants to do, and to hell with you and me if we don't like it!
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@nanette64 (15495)
• Fairfield, Texas
6 Jul 16
The Clintons have been up to their eyeballs in bad dealing for decades @moffittjc and this is just a continuation.
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@LoriAMoore (4816)
• United States
7 Jul 16
I saw this cartoon and thought of you and this post.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
I firmly believe this to be accurate! There's no doubt in my mind that she will be our next President, no matter what the outcome f the votes are.
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@CoralLevang (16309)
• United States
9 Jul 16
@moffittjc maybe our buddy, Chad, will visit us again this election! Haha
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Jul 16
@CoralLevang Hasn't the technology changed so much now on the voting machines that our friend Chad is no longer a participant?
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• United States
7 Jul 16
I do not believe that she did anything that was illegal, unknown or unusual at the time. The emails that are "questionable" were made secret years later. Also, both Condoleezza Rice and Colin Power did the exact same thing when they were in office, and no one has gone ape-poo about them. Guess if you are a member of the GOP, then it is okay. Sheesh.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
Nah, it's not okay at all, even for GOP members. What Powell and Rice did were no different, and they should have been held accountable too. I'm surprised they didn't, given how much people hated GW Bush at the end of his Presidency. I think at the end of the day, the Republicans and Democrats are all in bed together, and both will do anything they can to hold on to their grip on power. They may bicker with each other publicly, but I'm willing to bet behind closed doors they are all buddy-buddies making handshake deals that fatten their wallets and secure their grip on power.
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• United States
8 Jul 16
@moffittjc The people they are really in bed with, I think, is their campaign contributors. I really wish we could fix the unethical and obscene campaign finance laws that are making this advantageous for them.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Jul 16
@ElizabethWallace But every time they try to fix the campaign finance laws, the politicians find loopholes and other ways to get around the laws. Sometimes I think they purposefully write loopholes into the laws just so they can be exploited.
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@CoralLevang (16309)
• United States
7 Jul 16
I gave quite a lengthy response on JJ's post on Hillary. Suffice it to say that had I done the same thing when I was in the military, I would have been court-martialed most likely. The fact that she can be the next Commander in Chief makes me glad that I am far away from being in the military and having to serve under her. Thankfully, I didn't have to serve under Clinton number one.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
Have you noticed that during Obama's term in office, he has slowly been relieving are most senior military officers from their command, or at least demoting them down to lesser positions and roles. I truly think he is purposefully weakening the leadership of our military, because he knows how powerful they truly are. He (and Clinton as well) know that the direction they are taking our country is going to conflict with the powerful military-industrial machine at some point, and he wants to ensure the military doesn't step in at some point and say "enough is enough." I just wonder how long the military is going to sit back and take it before they finally reach a boiling point and start pushing back against the corrupt politicians?
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@CoralLevang (16309)
• United States
7 Jul 16
@moffittjc interesting Theory. I haven't really thought much about it. But then again the leadership that we supposedly have in the military today is not true leadership anyway. I have worked with the military for the last 10 years and have seen who comes in nowadays and who stays in nowadays and I understand how these people think. People think that having a title or rank means their leaders, when most of them are not. You don't need a title to be a leader. And those who are true leaders, are not allowed to be. The military wants a bunch of managers. And everybody is out for themselves. Few people as I see it are believing that service is something that is important today people don't serve one another order of a country, they serve themselves. It's really kind of a shame.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
8 Jul 16
@CoralLevang That is true, our military leaders aren't immune to the mess that is taking place in Washington these days. Our military leaders are just as caught up in the politics as the politicians are. It's a shame what is happening to our country at all levels. The great military leaders are all over in Iraq and Afghanistan on the front lines with their troops doing the best they can with a bad situation.
@just4him (99996)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
7 Jul 16
Friends in high places maybe? Or maybe the fact she's running for president exonerates her. Or maybe all your questions are fact not fiction. I believe we have a broken system and it needs to be fixed so it's fair for everyone, no matter how rich and powerful they are or poor and hopeless. What happens for one, should happen for all. If a person facing the same charges who isn't as rich and powerful as Mrs. Clinton gets the full extent of the law, so should she.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Jul 16
It's already set a dangerous precedent for future politicians. What goes on in Washington now makes the Nixon Watergate scandal look tame by today's standards.
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@just4him (99996)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
9 Jul 16
@moffittjc It really does. My oldest was born during the Watergate scandal.
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Jul 16
@just4him I think I was 4 or 5 when the Watergate scandal made the news. I remember even as a young child seeing the nightly news stories and how appalled everyone was that an elected official, and more specifically the President, could be involved in such sinister things!
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@Bluedoll (16836)
• Canada
7 Jul 16
On the part about the rich and powerful get to play under different rules. Well heck yeah!
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 16
I'm not naive enough to think that the rich and powerful don't have their own set of rules, but in this case it was a high-profile, highly-publicized situation. Usually, us common folk aren't made aware of all the back door deals that go on in Washington. Here, it was a total flaunting of her status as a rich and powerful person who is above the law.
@Bluedoll (16836)
• Canada
8 Jul 16
Now I'm confused. Was it improper use of technology that was at question or was it for improper deals while in Washington that the FBI was connected with? - thanks for the interaction @moffittjc
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@moffittjc (38437)
• Gainesville, Florida
8 Jul 16
@Bluedoll Probably both! lol I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out what is going on in Washington. It's a mess no matter how you look at it!
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