Oh Indian men, stand up for women ...

@vandana7 (67720)
India
July 31, 2016 11:04am CST
If you all don't, you all put yourself in danger. Think about it. The ratio of men or boys raping girls or other boys is much higher than the ratio of girls or women raping men or boys or girls. 57 percent of rapes of school going male children are ...by their seniors! Recent high court decision to award 3 lakhs to the raped minor boy is striking example where we are going. Future? If rapes and gang rapes are not severely punished, more people would drop their female child, or desert her. The ratio of male to female will continue to be lopsided and there will a time when women will be too few for so many men, and so rapes would be common, and crimes against men with wives would increase only to capture the women. And of course, crimes against male children. Time things were seen in perspective. Agreed, there are only pockets of such backwardness in the country. But if laws are passed for specific time frame, we can check their effectiveness in bringing down such crimes.
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@skysnap (18039)
31 Jul 16
Is there any NCRB data that supports this or just another feminist stats from the net? And i'd stand up for indian women the day they'd stand up for men. So far it's always one way. I have never seen indian women standing up against women criminals do they?
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
31 Jul 16
I watched it on TV...I suppose there is data to support this, but I will locate the data as well as the relevant file and come back to you.
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@skysnap (18039)
31 Jul 16
@vandana7 Nope. data on TV doesn't have to be correct. There is a lot of exaggerated data online and also on TV. For example scoopwhoop and vagabomb websites which are funded by feminist UN, are spreading the data that 19 women get raped per hour in india. by that logic within 10 year half of each state in the country has to get raped, no? I am not denying rape but some stats are inflated for god knows for what reasons.
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
31 Jul 16
The case referred was and I will come up with data on male children sexually abused as well.
The plea filed in the court stated the child had undergone severe mental and physical trauma, while his family suffered financial hardships
@Jessicalynnt (47880)
• Centralia, Missouri
1 Aug 16
I read the news, and the way females are treated in some places makes me fear for them
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@antonbunot (9673)
• Calgary, Alberta
31 Jul 16
@vandana7 This is what I believe - - there are men born to rape. There are men born to kill. There men born to scam. I thank the Heavens, I am born not to do these horrific things. I am born to love and to entertain by my uniquely funny looks, writings, and drawings! But sometimes I am thinking to find out why men (and some women) rape!
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
1 Aug 16
I think very few would not rob the bank if laws were not as serious. Ditto about rapes - EITHER WAY.
@Drosophila (16699)
• Ireland
1 Aug 16
It is a scary world
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
1 Aug 16
Unless the men take it on war footing, they are now putting little boys ...the future men of the country...at risk of sodomy. Time they woke up...and stopped putting spokes in laws that are being enacted. Misuse is inevitable. But loopholes can be plugged now that we accept the possibility of misuse.. better set of laws can be framed, and their effectiveness as well as usefulness can be reviewed periodically...they can be implemented for a limited period! If only men would be open to the idea..
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@Drosophila (16699)
• Ireland
2 Aug 16
@vandana7 That sounds very alarming
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@Drosophila (16699)
• Ireland
3 Aug 16
@vandana7 It sounds like a mindset thing.. and may take generations to change it
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• India
7 Aug 16
It is so freaking true. There must be genuine grievances of men, I am sure, but people tend to overlook the fact that women have always been marginalized in society since time immemorial, hence their tolerance, submission and good will are taken for granted. W can only bring about a change if the mindset changes, not only of women but also men. Men also have to stand by us, not out of sympathy, but out of the realization that women also possess dignity thus have to be treated with utmost respect.
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
7 Aug 16
And also the fact that acid attacks are only on women. Be it because of wrong bringing up of boy or because women are often shorter so easier to throw acid on. The attacks are invariably linked to spurned love. If men can't stand being spurned, it is something wrong in their upbringing!
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• India
7 Aug 16
@vandana7 There won't be any dearth of such wrong doings. It is the patriarchal society which has placed men on the altar of God and vested with them undue supremacy. Infanticide and marital rapes victimize the females. We have never heard of a killing of a infant baby boy, on the other hand, female infanticides and foeticides are still common in rural areas of India. This is not to say baby boys deserve something so horrific, point is no life should be destroyed that ruthlessly, irrespective of gender.
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
7 Aug 16
@positivesoul .. Exactly. And yet they don't raise these two issues when they are talking about false rape accusations and dowry deaths.
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@TheHorse (72523)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Aug 16
Why is the level of morality so low among some men? I experienced a "tough" childhood and never considered raping anyone, man or woman. Is there an excuse for such behavior?
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
2 Aug 16
As I see, there are many factors that are coming into play here.. a. Population - what happens is larger the population more difficult it gets to provide food, clothing, shelter, and medicines. Justice and fairness become secondary requirements. Because we are not able to get enough judiciary systems in place, we have allowed the age old panchayat raj, which is elected elders of the village deciding what is right and wrong, which is not necessarily right because they themselves are not sufficiently educated, otherwise, they would know they are entitled to better pay for justice that they impart; b. Lack of education percolation, at times even educated are unwilling to leave traditional thinking behind and go to an extent of perpetuating the traditional differences alive by denying or preventing contemporary education and thinking reaching the poor and lower classes. Another problem with following traditions is, it supports greed. So dowry is a reality thanks to traditional thinking that men are always right, and coveted, whether they are younger, less qualified, drunkards, idlers, gamblers, etc., simply because the right to light the pyre is theirs as per scriptures. So they are in demand hence the dowry. c. Lack of proper laws which are admittedly lopsided, i.e., do not consider that boys can be raped. Boys can be raped. I witnessed one when I was five and a half, the maid of the family did it to my cousin..(well I don't know if it qualifies as rape or molestation and only have a faint recollection of it but yes, it was not a good thing). This has the male gender sulking; d. Some women have been unscrupulous by using loopholes laws passed in between which has given male fraternity to label every rape as something false. e. Nepotism. If I am a judge, and my son/brother/husband/father/cousin/friend/relative of my friend/my other relative is on trial, I would not give the judgement against them, would I? At least not in India. f. Politicians feed the evil ones, because they need their services to kill somebody, (conspiracy including creating riots), or to rig the elections. Then such evil ones and their kith and kin or group members are allowed to get away with stuff. There is the caste, religion, card just like you all have racial discrimination card. g. Law process is slow and helpless because of interference and overall constraints. The next generation grows up with anger. Then of course, there is the vengeful ones, who have been hurt so bad, and society has not helped them when they suffered and sought help as kids. So they are taking it out on the society by doing what was done to them when they were young. Not an easy thing to tackle, but future looks too bleak to me. Unless some attempt is made to come up India could become the rape and human trafficking business which could become another type of Boko Harem or ISIS supporting similar things in other nations. Kids of course will suffer the most, irrespective of whether they are male or female.
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@TheHorse (72523)
• Walnut Creek, California
4 Aug 16
@vandana7 Kids will become adults, and carry that bitterness with them. Can you elaborate on d)? I did not understand it.
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@SIMPLYD (83290)
• Philippines
5 Aug 16
Oh my , 57% of children are being raped by their seniors ! How did those happened ? What are the authorities doing to stop those crimes ?
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
5 Aug 16
57 percent of the rape cases in school. I guess I expressed it wrongly. Others are girls. There is 150 percent jump in rapes of minors in the last 5 years. And authorities as usual do nothing.
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@SIMPLYD (83290)
• Philippines
5 Aug 16
@vandana7 That's bad indeed that the authorities are doing nothing . At least here the authorities dig on these cases and see to it that the culprit gets to jail.
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• Guernsey
2 Aug 16
I learnt about it at school and it's so terrible! hello from Israel tell me if I can do anything ~ I believe they should cut raper's D*** for a punishment.
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
2 Aug 16
That makes them more violent I am told. For starters, the world should refuse to give any aid to India. First it should control its population and second it should take care of its womenfolk...serious issues. Only then any aid...otherwise, no help. Can the world manage to do that? :)
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• Guernsey
2 Aug 16
@vandana7 Well for many years they do nothing and they should get violent unless nothing will start moving their way
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@LadyDuck (177154)
• Switzerland
1 Aug 16
Laws are not enough if they are not respected and enforced. There is still a lot of way to go in your country and the recent news brings no good perspective.
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
2 Aug 16
Everybody is disturbed about it. Sad anna..but it is happening in our times..barbaric stuff.
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@LadyDuck (177154)
• Switzerland
2 Aug 16
@vandana7 There are so many horrible things that are happening in our times and nobody does what needed to stop them.
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@garymarsh6 (14429)
• United Kingdom
31 Jul 16
We do not understand Lakhs here so that is equivalent to 300,000 rupees which is just under $5,000 or £3398 Not much in our economy but a lot for an Indian to pay. I hope that this is a severe enough fine
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
2 Aug 16
Not really. But it is a beginning. I think three times that would have been more reasonable because the child will take a lot of time to recover from this trauma, and would be past the age when he can study. He would not be able to concentrate, will become a laggard, is likely to be ridiculed, and hurt. In the absence of girls in schools, and shortage of women folk for marriages, little boys would be the automatic victims. Right? Sodomy. I wish men realize they are hurting themselves when they hurt the other gender to this extent. Agreed some women have misused the law, but there are more cases of spurned lovers burning the girl or throwing acid on the face of the girl, than misuse of law by the girls.
@grvdubey11 (1882)
• India
31 Jul 16
Indian men do stand up for Indian women much more than Indian women standing up for Indian men. Just compare male activists fighting to stop crimes against women to female activists fighting for crimes against men. The ratio is 100 is to 1. About rapes, killing of girl child etc , women too are involved in such crimes. You will find many reports where women are found to be defending their rapist father, brother or husband. In 90 percent of dowry cases where a newly wed girl is burned , her sister in law and mother in law are found to be complicit in crime as much as her husband and father in law. Also women of the family full support(sometimes lead) in taking decision of aborting a girl child. So the problem is of mindset, blaming men wont solve this problem.
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@vandana7 (67720)
• India
1 Aug 16
True...but when a 16 year old is raped and killed, we need laws against that and swift justice, right? Unless we do that, the mindset would be, the laws in this country are not up to mark, and we can get away with it. I also agree that women too rape...women too rape...and women too rape. I have seen a girl in teen rape or molest (I can't recall what exactly it was) a boy who must have been barely 6 and a half or so. Since I was five and a half at the time, you can't be asking why you did not report or prevent. So I agree that it is not men alone who are pedophiles. But when the number of girls keeps coming down, it will become increasingly dangerous for male boys and they will be sodomized. It will also be risky for men who have wives as they might be held at gunpoint, beaten up, or killed ...that is age old ways of taking away women. Time we took firm steps in one direction...for a brief period...say five years, or so, and see if the number of such crimes come down... And for once, let the laws be fair...both men and women, boys and girls, should be considered...rapes occur both ways...merely because rapes are associated with girls does not mean boys do not face the situation. And really really serious consequences for false accusations...
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@sofssu (14447)
5 Aug 16
Laws can only punish.. Men need to respect women and understand that if not for a woman they wouldn't have come into the world.
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@crossbones27 (21403)
• Redlands, California
2 Aug 16
I sometimes think the worse people are the ones who turn their heads and look the other way.
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@shshiju (10567)
• Cochin, India
1 Aug 16
Things are going beyond control. Not reported ones are not counted yet.
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@Corbin5 (116530)
• United States
31 Jul 16
Laws, very strict laws with severe punishments that are levied, seem to be one way to stop this type of behavior. Those who break such laws must be made to pay a price.
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• Dhaka, Bangladesh
31 Jul 16
shame shame!
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• United States
31 Jul 16
It is a very sad and distressing situation Vanny. I feel the problem is rampant. The cruelty is really horrible in these cases. I pray for India.
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• India
31 Jul 16
It's shocking and shameful. It has to be curbed anyhow for the better future of the Nation.
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@sol_cee (17435)
• Saint Vincent And The Grenadines
1 Aug 16
Terrible.
• United States
31 Jul 16
what a sad state 'f affairs :( i hope that all'n yer country take a stand, get tougher laws'n place to protect all from such a violent act.