Greater than Less than or Equal

@lokisdad (4264)
United States
February 7, 2017 10:13am CST
Does Equal Pay for Equal Work mean Gender Equality? So this is the new heated topic of discussion.Which in all honesty I am not sure why this should have never even been a thing. It should have been equal from the beginning. A few days ago a woman posted on Facebook basically supporting that there shouldn't be equal pay. She said something to the effect of this is a stupid we want pusssy power thing. The woman went to school longer than her husband and makes about 20k less and she is okay with it. He supposedly works very hard you couldn't pay her to do what he does. Guess what there are woman who you can pay to do a job requiring brut strength and in my opinion they deserve to get paid the same. I mean they are producing the same amount of work so why should they get paid less? I am not on the short end of this debate because I am a man but this doesn't mean that it doesn't affect me it does. I have a mother, wife ,sister and daughter and they are affected by this so it affects me. We have children of both genders and its funny because in my house that doesn't make a difference. She plays sports watches sports and likes her dresses and makeup. My son can cook and clean and keep a house as well as his mother. I don't think that it is fair that both my children do the same job side by side and one gets paid more simply because of their gender. If they are both doing the same exact thing they should get paid exactly the same. We should all strive for a world where everyone has the ability to be well rounded self sufficient and with someone because they can't do anything for themselves. I think it is time for a man to not marry a woman to have someone to cook and clean for him and for woman to not have to marry a man because they need to be financially supported or can't do any manual labor due to lack of knowledge or strength. The very fact that we can't reproduce on our own without the other should be proof enough that we are different but equally important and that the only way to ensure our own survival is to come together and work together. Neither gender is better. You couldn't pay me to birth a child I was there and I know I am strong but watching a woman give birth made me see that we are different kinds of strong. I have brut strength but my wife for sure had an endurance and tolerance for pain I couldn't muster up on my best day. They say the closest a man will ever come to knowing child birth is passing a stone. Guess what I have and I wouldn't do it again. I thought I was going to die the pain was so bad. Woman do it carry a child and passing stones(kids) the size of watermelons and then have more. That my friends is a whole different kind of strong and I feel that alone is enough to make them equal. What are your thoughts and opinions on this are you for or against it and why?
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@TheHorse (71212)
• Pleasant Hill, California
7 Feb 17
I agree that equal pay for equal work should be a given. Fortunately, it is in the professions I'm in (college teaching, early childhood education, social services, music). Overall, I expect women to make a bit less, as they tend to self-select into lower paying professions (e.g., early childhood education, teaching, etc.). But for the same work...we're getting there.
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@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
7 Feb 17
I am sure that every field pays different and it should depending on the difficulty or dangerousness of the tasks. If you are cleaning you shouldn't make $25 ph like a tech or as much as some scientist working on a cure for illnesses or a someone taking apart a bomb in a building full of people. I am not the biggest fan of the whole education for sale.Knowledge is power and we make it so expensive that most can't afford to go but we have proven that these days even degrees don't really ensure more earning power anymore. There are self made millionaires that haven't even finished high school. So I am willing to accept that we keep finding ways to separate ourselves always trying to make some worth more than others but I think that dividing us up that way is better than because of the gender. However we have to start somewhere right. I'm not sure if that makes any sense but it made sense in my head when I was thinking it although sometimes what you are trying to convey doesn't come out on paper the same way.
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@vandana7 (66879)
• India
7 Feb 17
Ah but there are reasons for that! Many jobs here require people to extend their working hours! Even men in police force and government jobs do their jobs with great deal of dissatisfaction! Can't have irritating bosses...kinda..the self limiting jobs at least ensure that such harassment is not there.
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@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
@vandana7 we are not just talking about its like only mothers who are making less because maybe they don't have the open availability or flexibility in schedule change. I am talking about all women. Another thing is that equal pay should be the same for two people competing for it. I have known guys who both go for a position and one of them gets told it pays one thing and the other guy gets offered more and they are both equal in the experience department and quality of work. I know that this world is far from everyone getting to a place in time where we all feel we are equals but it would be nice to get the ball rolling.
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@sabtraversa (13334)
• Italy
7 Feb 17
Equal pay for equal work, if you pay for results and not for hours. I agree no gender is better, men and women are different but that's the difference that makes us stronger. In fact, to make a baby you need both.
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@TheHorse (71212)
• Pleasant Hill, California
8 Feb 17
You sure do! Some of the differences between men and women seem tied in with traditional roles around earning v. nurturring babies.
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@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
@TheHorse Yes and even when you are modern those gender roles still affect you.
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@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
Piece work sucks if you aren't fast enough to keep a study pace you wouldn't get very much money.
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@marguicha (100473)
• Chile
7 Feb 17
I agree with you. Equal pay for equal job sounds good to me. But that also means that some jobs are usually done better by men and others by women. If the work is a qualified job, then they have to be paid the same.
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@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
7 Feb 17
I agree there are somethings that one gender is better at than another. The pay differences should be reflected in that area degree of quality. Meaning if the cleaning crew position pays $8ph then that is what everyone is going to get for pushing that broom. Now the one that pushes the broom and leaves the floor looking best might have a 25 cent raise and the one who just pushed it and just left it looking okay well their raise is going to be the minimum I can give them because that is what I got the minimum effort. I will pay for what I get not more not less.
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@marguicha (100473)
• Chile
7 Feb 17
@lokisdad I always did the garden when my husband was alive as he did not distinguished grass from weed. And I did the dishes as I am picky with that chore. But he had to bring me everything to where I was washing. And he did all the driving as I´m not a good driver. We taught our daughters to divide work equally, but not with the idea that she washed a knife and he washed the other
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
@marguicha We try to help each other just as you mentioned above. The wife has things that she does mostly because she doesn't mind it like dishes. She likes splitting wood but lacks the strength so she snaps the twigs and helps carry in the split wood. If she is cooking dinner I tend to the kids which is mostly making sure they get everything done in the alloted time. We try to learn what the other knows kind of like cross training so we are a well oiled machine when it comes to the kids and their stuff.
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@DianneN (82574)
• United States
8 Feb 17
I believe that if a man and a woman are doing the exact same job, then the pay should be equal.
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
I just think its sad that we still even have these kinds of problems at all. We can figure out how to send stuff out into space and yet we can't even do something as simple as play nice together.
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@DianneN (82574)
• United States
9 Feb 17
@lokisdad It is rather senseless and easy to fix. Sheesh!
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
9 Feb 17
@DianneN If we put even half as much effort into good things we would be able to do miraculous things.
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@PainsOnSlate (20422)
• Canada
8 Feb 17
As I read this I was seeing in my head the poster of the woman showing her muscle. I think equal pay is necessary for life today, that woman who said it isn't necessary is living in a bubble. I agree with you about how strong women are - I had a couple of children and know what that is like. I also have a daughter who works and demands equal pay and gets it, and she is involved with her Union. I think we will hear less and less about not being equal. I think education is also important, a woman with a degree is stronger than one without it when it comes to getting a job.
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
I couldn't believe that she said what she said. I thought like is she hearing herself? It was insulting to woman who fight for equality and sets back the group as a whole with that kind of thinking. Good for your daughter these days getting ahead is no easy task. I agree a degree helps but because thing have become so bad money wise it seems as if these days it doesn't always seem to be beneficial as it was intended. So many students graduate and get degrees and a large amount of debt and then don't find work or work that is high paying in their fields leaving them starting out behind due to the crushing debt and pressure of not finding something suitable to make them feel like their happiness was a form or reward for the sacrifices that were made to get where they are.
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• Canada
9 Feb 17
@lokisdad Two of my children got their debt paid off in a relatively short time. my younger one liked to spend money and not return it back to the government... Finally the government came after him but gave him a deal.
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
9 Feb 17
@PainsOnSlate Debt sucks but no matter what we are always going to have some. So we have to have a little fun once in a while. Lol but we can't go spending and put ourselves in more debt.
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@shshiju (10571)
• Cochin, India
8 Feb 17
If the job is with intelligence and based on professional qualifications equal payment needed to both group. But if it is the case of basic labor or outside hardwork men news more wages or salary
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
It is a hard thing to decide. Who gets paid more. Do we pay more for hard physical labor or do we pay more for knowledge its a toss up I guess it would depend on who needs what and when. No matter what we do nothing is ever going to be completely fair to everyone.
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@shshiju (10571)
• Cochin, India
9 Feb 17
@lokisdad Yes that point is correct.
@jaboUK (54872)
• United Kingdom
9 Feb 17
It's a basic human right to have equal pay for equal work. Obviously some work is more suitable for one gender than the other, but if the opposite gender does the job well, equal pay is only fair.
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
9 Feb 17
Right that what I feel that not only is it wrong it would have been easier I think to have started out with it all paying the same.
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@1hopefulman (31696)
• Canada
8 Feb 17
If a man and a woman are working at the same job side by side, why should one get paid more than the other? Common sense says that both deserve the same pay.
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
That is how it should be but hasn't been and we are now finally getting around to trying to do something about it
@shaggin (37317)
• United States
8 Feb 17
I think if they are doing the same thing just as well then men and women should be paid equally.
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
Have to treat them like kids everyone gets treated the same no favoritism lol.
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@syeow1 (4908)
• India
7 Feb 17
I did not know that but in my country women's earn more then man..
@lokisdad (4264)
• United States
8 Feb 17
Wow lol not often you see a female powered society. Not fair but a small victory for all woman across the globe just the same.
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@tom_view (3978)
• Kolkata, India
8 Feb 17
for me same money for same work irrespective of gender
• New Delhi, India
7 Feb 17
I completely agree