Leaks from the French police ? Are you kidding ?

@topffer (42156)
France
May 25, 2017 9:02am CST
After the leaks of information about the attack in Manchester in the New York Times, I read this morning a comment in another discussion : «It makes one wonder whether we should share sensitive information with opposite numbers in other countries, especially the US and France.» Well, the CIA is an opened book compared to the French DGSE. According to Wikipedia, the last known operation of the DGSE was in January 2013 in Somalia. We would like to know a bit more, especially when President Hollande tells in a book that he has ordered 4 operations to murder terrorists... And the French police and gendarmerie ? They have an old culture of secret, and they never leak anything, except officially or voluntarily. I have been convoked only once during my life, in 1990. I found in my mailbox a letter from the gendarmerie telling me to go as soon as possible to the gendarmerie «for a case concerning you». The letter had been brought by the gendarmerie itself which was at a few hundreds meters from my home. I made a quick examination of conscience, and I did not remembered to have assassinated or robbed a bank lately. The day was sunny and I walked to the gendarmerie. I was sent to a woman in uniform who asked me where my car was parked. «It is near my home. You wrote that the case was concerning me, not my car. I can be back with it in 10 mn if you want.» -- Please do. I want to see it. At this time, my car was a red 205 GTI. I asked myself if I was searched for speeding ? They would probably not convoke for that, I would have received a ticket. What crime was I supposed to have done ? Once back at the gendarmerie, she went to look at the car and said : --Oh ! It is a GTI. «Yes, it is obvious, no ?» -- It is a mistake. I am searching a red 205, but not a GTI, you are not concerned. Sorry for the inconvenience. «Can you tell me for what reason you are searching it ?» --You have not to know. Alright. The gendarmerie is part of the army, and the army like secrets. And the state police ? They are worse if you ask me. I have never had a return on any complaint I lodged, I don’t even know if they even investigated. I found one day a word on the windscreen of my car asking me to go the police station. The car had been seriously damaged during the night by the car of a neighbor, himself pushed on mine by a car which was running at high speed and fled. My neighbor’s car was completely broken. When I came to the police station they gave me... the name and the address of my neighbor to feel an accident statement form. «Wait a moment, I also want to lodge a complaint against the car that broke the car of my neighbor!» -- It is useless, the insurance of your neighbor will pay. «But I want to lodge this complaint! You certainly found the car, due to the amount of damages?» -- Yes. «Then, I lodge my complaint against this person.» -- I will not give you the name. You have not to know. You neighbor found an agreement with him. I will not take your complaint. That was completely illegal, but they were the police. My neighbor got a fresh new car and gave me all the details : a service car which should have never circulated during the night, a driver who fled because he was probably drunk. Probably, because the police found the car on a tow truck an hour later, but the driver only during the morning. He offered to pay a new car to my neighbor if he was not lodging a complaint. Good deal, that would have been questioned by another complaint. The police closed the eyes on the hit-and-run : less they have complaints, better are their stats. I can tell you another anecdote of the same kind. You would hardly believe it, but I have been paid for 2 tires without knowing the name of the author of the damage. Explanation of the policeman : «The damage has been done by a group of underage children. They are minors, I cannot give you their names, but their parents have money, change your tires and you will be refunded.» I received 1 year later a check from a lawyer... Can you imagine a leak from the French police or gendarmerie ? Not me. It does not mean that we have no leaks. They do not come from the police, but from the justice. Our courts are a bit like the CIA, they should better put their confidential/secret data directly on Wikileaks. Due to the number of possible sources for these leaks (judges, clerks, lawyers, etc) the authors are quite never caught. Last minute : it looks like Britain is really angry after new leaks, and stops sharing information with US about the Manchester attack.
Theresa May will tell Donald Trump shared intelligence "must be secure" after US leaks about the Manchester bomb - as the Queen visits victims.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 May 17
That's quite different from here. If you give someone enough money or enough promises of votes and they'll tell you anything. They don't care about the consequences to anyone as long as they get whatever it is that they want. We could certainly use some people like yours!
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 May 17
@topffer Many of our leaks come from the media who get the info from politicians. When info is leaked it reflects badly on another politician or a public office and changes public opinion. There is an intense campaign--always is--between our two parties right now to make each other look bad and if they have to leak secrets from other countries they will. Anything to win the next election. They don't care about the country, only their own pockets.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
25 May 17
@dragon54u We had that during our presidential election ; it was a tough campaign, but the information leaked/revealed were only about the candidates, and were not endangering the country or any other country. I am following the Russia/Trump team links series, although it is a bit boring now.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
25 May 17
I would not have thought at that. Our policemen are not elected, so they do not care about votes. They can have some political pressures, but they cannot be fired, only sent to another place with an avancement. Corrupted policemen exist, but newspapers are not rich enough to pay them to get the information they would like to have.
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@LadyDuck (458006)
• Switzerland
25 May 17
I have always considered the French police, as well the gendarmerie, two serious entities and I do not doubt that they would not share secrets with the media or other countries. The CIA seems to be a strainer. Too many times they have spread news, names and facts that should have been kept secrets. While they are very good in keeping secrets what is good for them. Right now I fear that they cannot be trusted.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
25 May 17
The police and gendarmerie give to the media only what they want to give. When I was a kid they were giving daily a sum up of the complaints they received, there is a long time that they do not even give that to the media. For the CIA, it is worrying, due to the number of info leaked. They really need to do something to stop that.
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@LadyDuck (458006)
• Switzerland
25 May 17
@topffer I agree, because they are putting all the other countries in danger.
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• Pamplona, Spain
25 May 17
Loved reading all this detail and it has made me smile for the first time today. I remember a lovely man a Gendarmerie got on the bus whilst going through France and he had an Alsation Dog just like the one we have at the moment. He was very serious and asking for Passports he was very polite to me but not to the one behind me. Have a great respect for them really do and the same as I have for the English Police. Dog sat guarding the person behind me and did not move an inch at the move of the Gendarmes hand he was off the bus and at the back of the person they made get off the bus for some reason or another. He was very discreet the Policeman I mean and a very much a matter of fact. We were all impressed to say the least no messing around with him or the dog either. I could not imagine that man letting out any secrets of any kind either. I think I have spelled the Gendarme thing wrong but very tired but very amused by your Story although it must have had you worried. Its also good to know that they are like that I salute them.
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• Pamplona, Spain
26 May 17
@topffer Love the description you give of them. Its just how I imagine them to be. Thank you and so for the next time I will know more or less what they are thinking about. Policemen over here are much better than the Women Policemen they tend to be quite maricmacho too much like men. One reckons to my husband does she know anything and I said straight back to her "yes she knows more than what you think". They searched our car for over an hour which I spent talking to the men who were not half intent on finding something in the car as what she was whatever that was supposed to be. Glad they treated you well though. They treated a French woman very badly and I hope she complained too as I would have done such callous treatment. Policewomen here tend to act like they are Rambo type beings.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
25 May 17
The French police is not so friendly than the English police, but they do their job without leaking information. In a terrorist case only somebody from the Home Ministry or an attorney would speak to the media, not a policeman. You spelled "Gendarme" correctly They are usually very polite. When you get arrested on a road and should receive a ticket, if they become angry you know that they do not intend to give the ticket but just a warning. Indeed you can help them to become angry by responding politely but stupidly to their questions. If they keep quiet and polite, it is not a good sign. I have a good memory of the Spanish police. My clothes and the things and I had bought during the journey were stolen in the car in Sevilla (it was during the World Fair in 1992), and I lodged a complaint in a police station : they offered me a coffee, were very nice, and I received about 2 years later a letter telling that they found nothing and were stopping their investigations. I would like to receive a letter like this from the French police each time I lodge a complaint.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
26 May 17
@lovinangelsinstead21 They usually cannot search a car in France, or only when they have something else against you. However, they can search cars actually because of the state of emergency which gives them more powers, but it is temporary (but this "temporary" will last until next November... and perhaps later if we have new terrorist attacks before) and they do not abuse it. At least not with me. I do not look like a "good" client for a policeman : I have been controlled in the streets only twice during my life. I would not tell the same about customs officers. And customs can always search a car. I was a victim in Sevilla, and I think that they were pleased because I was a tourist speaking Spanish enough to lodge the complaint. What I was not liking was the "guardia civil" in the past. I have not faced any Rambo female for the moment in Spain. But I would tell the same about many of our policewomen that are looking more male than a policeman
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@much2say (53959)
• Los Angeles, California
25 May 17
There must be a reason why they keep the old culture of secrecy - the French police or gendarmerie seem to craft this quite well. But here it is quite pathetic - whatever anyone has to gain from it, they will make the holes where needed so anything can leak out. It doesn't help with the President himself just shoots his mouth out at will. It's pretty apparent that secrets cannot be kept here - so I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to share such information with the US either. Oh reading your experiences here made me sweat . . . I didn't know what to expect next !
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@much2say (53959)
• Los Angeles, California
28 May 17
@topffer I think the mysteriousness of the conduct of it all makes one fearful - yes, you don't know what you've done nor and how they will "get you" for it and what the outcome would be. It would keep you on your toes so you do your best to stay a law abiding citizen! This is something that is lacking here. And everything will get to the media. Certain freedoms are not a good thing because people will stretch it as far as they can take it . Oh that Trump . He has put the cherry on top for making us the laughing stock of the world!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
28 May 17
@much2say Not always, because he is unpredictable and might start a nuclear war a day where he will get up on the wrong side. I was afraid that he did it with North-Korea. He is adapting, but very slowly, to the realities of the world, and he will be perfect in a few years, if he has not resigned before.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
25 May 17
For the gendarmerie ? I was asking myself what I had done, except speeding (these cars were little bombs, running at more than 200 km/h, and I was young) and before automatic radars they had to arrest you on the road for speeding? As they could have put me in detention and questioned during 24 hours to elucidate this "case concerning me", it was certainly better for me to not own the "good" model. I learned during my college years that it was better to be detained by the gendarmerie than by the police, because the gendarmerie was forced to give you to eat and to drink, and not the state police, and 24 hours without a glass of water, OMG. I think they have the same obligations during a detention now, and today you can ask for a lawyer and to see a doctor, not in the 1990's. In theory they are not allowed to refuse to take a complaint. It is possible to send the complaint directly to an attorney or to a judge in this case. But for being secret, they are, and it has always been the case in France. The last case of leaked information to the media I remember was in the 1980's. It is why I asked myself "why not sharing with France ?" when I read this comment. Yes, I know, France and UK were old enemies in the past. For your country, there is certainly not enough secret, but it is not always bad. It is interesting to have an arrest filmed ; when it leaks to the media, everybody can make an opinion if it turned bad (it turns bad often in your country, although I understand the policemen, due to the number of people owning weapons). Not the same for the leaks coming from the CIA, especially when it concerns foreign countries that they can put in danger. And for Trump, the only documents that he will never leak are his tax returns.
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@DaddyEvil (137145)
• United States
25 May 17
Hmmm.... did you try asking your neighbor the name of the person who hit the cars? He might have told you. (I find it really difficult to believe the police would not let you file a complaint against the other driver. It makes no sense to tell you to collect from your neighbor's insurance.) I am curious why it took a year for the parents of the children who damaged your tires to pay for the damage? Something is very wrong in your police agency!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
26 May 17
My neighbor gave me the name : the driver was owning a movie theater near the police station. The police is supposed to receive any complaint. It was wrong to refuse. I could have sent the complaint to an attorney or a judge and explained that they refused, but I would perhaps have had troubles with the police later. And, yes, I have been paid by my insurance, like if it had been a "normal" accident. The insurance paid in a week, while a trial could have taken years to get a few more for the moral damage. For the tires, I think that they were sent to a judge and sentenced, and that the parents paid for the damages after the sentence (they damaged the tires of about 30 cars in 2 streets before being arrested). I don't know their age, but if they were less than 13 years old, our law is very protective : closed hearing, no publicity on the names, no public records. I should have been authorized to send a lawyer to the court, though, but I had no interest to do it : I put 2 new tires, sent the bill to the police, and the tires have been paid...
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@topffer (42156)
• France
31 May 17
@DaddyEvil I think we can also lodge a complaint in any police station, but not sure in this case, as there was already a police station working on it. It is always possible to lodge one in France by writing to the state attorney of the place or to the oldest judge (oldest by the number of years he/she is in charge), but for the judge a lawyer is needed to bring the complaint.
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@DaddyEvil (137145)
• United States
31 May 17
@topffer If police in one station here refuse to make a report you just go to a nearby different station and they will accept the report. If a city police station refuses to accept a report, you go to the Highway police station. They will always accept one refused by a city police station. They do not like each other, so always do what they can to make trouble for each other! Yes, juvenile delinquents are protected here, too. The parent's names are still reported by the newspapers, though.
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@cpefley (1926)
• San Jose, California
25 May 17
Good! Our president can't be trusted with sensitive information.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
25 May 17
I read that about something else a few days ago, but I think he is innocent here, as he does not like the New York Times and its "fake news".
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@jstory07 (134422)
• Roseburg, Oregon
29 May 17
There are a lot of strange things going on all over the world. You just helped prove it with your post about your car.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
29 May 17
I would have known more if I had the "right" model, as the police can keep people in detention for 24 hours maximum to investigate, but I preferred to not own the model of car they were looking for and to go back directly at home.
@PatZAnthony (14752)
• Charlotte, North Carolina
25 May 17
That rather surprised us at first, but then we realized they might know something we don't.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
26 May 17
It is emotional I think, due to the importance of this case for UK. The first leak, giving the name of the author, could have had some consequences on their investigations, but not the second. They want US to investigate seriously and find who is guilty.
@JudyEv (325693)
• Rockingham, Australia
26 May 17
Goodness, it seems all your police are 'secret' police.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
26 May 17
No, we know where are the police stations. In a terrorist case like Manchester, the only people who would talk would be at the Home ministry, or an anti-terrorist attorney, certainly not a policeman.
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@YrNemo (20261)
27 May 17
Now I know how funny (how secretive) the French police could be. Thanks for this article. I love it.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
27 May 17
They are not friendly and opened like the British police, but they are secretive for sure.
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