A step towards genders equality

@topffer (34616)
France
June 21, 2017 3:46am CST
Each time we have a cold or a heat wave, we see some new protests in France. Yesterday was the day of glory for buses and trams drivers in Nantes. Since 2013 they claim the right to wear shorts or bermuda shorts during heat waves, but their employer refuses it. Yesterday several drivers from the same professional union came to work with a skirt, skirts being authorized to drive a bus. Well, usually, people have to go to work with decent clothes, and it is not sure that a man wearing a skirt is decent, but they tell that nobody can see what they are wearing when they are sat, and that authorizing skirts and not shorts for a bus driver is discriminating between genders. Difficult to tell what will be the next move of their direction, to authorize shorts or to forbid skirts. Kudos, guys, you are making a sacrifice for a worthwhile cause.
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@SIMPLYD (80362)
• Philippines
21 Jun 17
They look funny in those skirts actually. But not with girls wearing pants though.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
The picture is an official one made by their professional union. It would have certainly be funny to have a few women bus drivers wearing pants around, but not good for their cause.
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@SIMPLYD (80362)
• Philippines
21 Jun 17
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@Sreekala (23402)
• India
21 Jun 17
Skirts for gents something odd and funny. But I really appreciate the courage of that gents who become ready to wear skirts. In India, I don't think any gents will ready to wear the dress meant for ladies.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
I find it more ridiculous than courageous, but it has the advantage to raise awareness of their cause for shorts, so it is not a stupid move.
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@prashu228 (25808)
• India
21 Jun 17
Lol.. well said..no one will be ready
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@jstory07 (68289)
• Roseburg, Oregon
21 Jun 17
They should keep wearing skirts until they can wear shorts to see who will win.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
Train drivers in Sweden did it during weeks in 2013 and they did not won, although their direction did not told anything to those wearing a woman's uniform with a skirt.
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@alberello75 (17982)
• Genova, Italy
21 Jun 17
The worker should be agevolated. We have to work for living. A few sacrifices are needed. But rights must always be respected !!
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
What do you mean by "agevolated" ? I think than to wear a skirt to be authorized to wear shorts is courageous somewhere. But I doubt that they will win.
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@alberello75 (17982)
• Genova, Italy
21 Jun 17
@topffer I said this because, from my part, two bus drivers have had an accident because of the too hot and lack of air conditioning.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
@alberello75 Yes, they say that they have often 50° C behind the windshield. Their working conditions during a heat wave are difficult, and wearing shorts would probably help to support the heat.
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@Inlemay (16656)
• South Africa
22 Jun 17
ha ha ha those skirts look very strange. luckily the boys have the legs for them - My friend in Belgium says they has dying of the heat at the moment - Why cant the Europeans just enjoy the hot weather for the week? really if you want to feel hot - come down to SA and feel 41*C on a mild day. Our winters have 25*C which is cold to us.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
22 Jun 17
They have the same heat wave in Belgium actually. Living in Southern France, I have more often the thermometer above 30° C than them, but it is not far from 40° C since a few days, and it is very hard. I would enjoy your South African winters
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@Inlemay (16656)
• South Africa
22 Jun 17
@topffer our winters are just a change of clothing really - nothing very drastic except in the central regions - that gets lots of snow
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@topffer (34616)
• France
22 Jun 17
@Inlemay I have not seen really snow since 2012 in my place, but we had a very cold week in February, under 0° C. I would prefer 20/25° .
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@shaynas (5528)
• India
21 Jun 17
They look funny :) But for a cause.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
Yes, they look a bit ridiculous but they are fighting for something.
@shaynas (5528)
• India
21 Jun 17
@topffer right. When you have to get noticed, you have to do something different.
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@Shavkat (63449)
• Philippines
21 Jun 17
I think it looks funny but they tend to gender sensitive that could lead to equality. Men can think of wearing a kilt in Scotland.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
Lol, France is not Scotland and men are not wearing skirts here. I do not know if they will win, but it is funny.
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@Shavkat (63449)
• Philippines
22 Jun 17
@topffer It was really funny.
@prashu228 (25808)
• India
21 Jun 17
Lol..i don't think we get gender equality if men wear women s dresses.... well it's a good step if it works
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
I doubt that they will skirts often, but it was a smart way to make people aware of their desideratum to be allowed to wear shorts.
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• Pamplona, Spain
23 Jun 17
That´s right. Men in Scotland can wear kilts and that is a kind of skirt too. I think that they should be allowed to wear shorts as long as they are not too short say about knee length? It does get really hot in a bus too so I hope they get listened to.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
23 Jun 17
I doubt about that, shorts being usually not authorized in a work environment in France. But they can wear skirts as long as they are authorized by their company.
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• Pamplona, Spain
23 Jun 17
@topffer Who the men or the women? Because a girl here got fired for wearing a skirt at her Job. Seems like we cannot win sometimes.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
24 Jun 17
@lovinangelsinstead21 In France an employer cannot discriminate : if skirts are authorized in a company they are authorized for both genders... at least in theory.
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@jaiho2009 (39019)
• Philippines
21 Jun 17
I thought the question is, to authorized shorts or no shorts (just kidding) Talking about men in skirts, I can't imagine men wearing skirts here in my country ( I mean real men and not the other kind of men). Men wearing skirts in Europe looks fine, maybe because it's a traditional outfit. But, what if the international fashion world will come up with skirts for men, will it be a hit?
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
A skirt is not a traditional cloth for a man in France, but due to our laws against discrimination, if skirts are authorized in a company, the company cannot forbid to a man to wear a skirt. It was a smart way to make people aware of their wish to wear shorts.
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@jaiho2009 (39019)
• Philippines
21 Jun 17
@topffer At least they still have option for a fresher outfit
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
@jaiho2009 I doubt that they will use this option often.
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@Corbin5 (109535)
• United States
21 Jun 17
Well, I think it perfectly fine for the men to wear those skirts while on the job. The skirts seem to be in good taste and in style. Well done, fellows.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
It is not forbidden by the dress code of their company, but they would prefer to be allowed to wear shorts.
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@Corbin5 (109535)
• United States
21 Jun 17
@topffer For some strange reason, I kind of like them in skirts!!
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@paigea (22421)
• Canada
23 Jun 17
I think they chose the right sort of skirts to make this protest. They amost looked like shorts when I first glanced at the picture.
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@paigea (22421)
• Canada
21 Jun 17
They look fine in those skirts actually. I think they have a point. They should be able to wear Bermuda shorts when it is hot. They could be uniform ones like some other companies have. Still professional.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
Shorts are rarely admitted in a working environment in France, but they can wear skirts if they want, due to our laws against discrimination. It was not a bad idea to make people aware of their desideratum to be allowed to wear shorts, but I doubt that they will obtain it : I do not know any city where bus drivers are allowed to wear shorts.
@paigea (22421)
• Canada
21 Jun 17
@topffer I don't know about bus drivers in the cities here.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
21 Jun 17
There way of protest seems interesting. Hope they are able to get their demands fulfilled.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
It helps to make people aware of what they want, but I doubt of the final result : train drivers wore a woman uniform during weeks in 2013 in Sweden for the same reason, without obtaining the right to wear shorts from their direction.
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@dpk262006 (56217)
• Delhi, India
21 Jun 17
@topffer Yes, at least general public become aware of their demand and it does not matter whether they would succeed in their motive or not but they are trying.
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@kepweng (16794)
• Waikoloa, Hawaii
5 Oct
nice the man is brave to wear that but i think they cannot wear a islamic dress right? cause its gonna be a protest of all muslim in france
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@topffer (34616)
• France
5 Oct
Only the burka is forbidden in France, not because it is an islamic dress, but because it masks the face, and wearing masks has always been forbidden in France for security reasons. Wearing any religious sign of religion in an administration or public school is also forbidden because France is a lay state. Some Muslims protested against that, but the law is the same for any religion, and has never targeted a specific one.
@much2say (39718)
• United States
1 Jul 17
Hmmm, that is a good design dilemma - I wonder if there is any way to fashion a skirt to make it look more masculine? A zillion dollar idea ? Can a kilt possibly be improved (kilts seem to be hot to me)? Well heck . . . if rules are rules and the rules do not state that a man cannot wear skirts . . . then they did not do anything wrong . It's not about the fashion anyway - they just want to cool down!
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@JESSY3236 (6764)
• United States
23 Jun 17
lol They should carry bagpipes with them.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
23 Jun 17
I do not think it would be authorized for a bus driver.
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@YrNemo (13402)
21 Jun 17
Bravo! At first I thought they wanted to mimic the Scots.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
22 Jun 17
It is a serious fight for shorts, not for Scots.
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@pgntwo (21749)
• Derry, Northern Ireland
21 Jun 17
Bravo to the male drivers, such chutzpah.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
Yup, it is the union fight of their life.
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@KrauseHome (35299)
• United States
21 Jun 17
Interesting. .. Even men having to wear a skirt to drive a bus. Or a Kilt as many call them. But considering this is the dress code this is interesting. I guess they have no option and opinions on this. Don't think it would ever even be an option here in the US
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
They are wearing skirts to protest. The dress code of their company forbids shorts but authorizes skirts, and our laws would not authorize an employer to tell to a man that he should not wear a skirt, it would be considered like a discrimination.
@Fleura (7195)
• United Kingdom
21 Jun 17
I can't understand why nowadays organisations of all sorts seem to be going to ridiculous lengths to make life comfortable and easy for transsexuals and all sorts of other minorities so why can't they allow what is already acceptable men's attire in many places (such as a kilt or kurta) for ordinary men? It does seem to be blatant discrimination especially when women are allowed to wear trousers or to have the choice.
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@topffer (34616)
• France
21 Jun 17
It is true somewhere : they can wear a skirt, but not shorts. Like I told you in another comment, shorts are usually not authorized during working hours in France. It is most of the time not authorized for building workers even with the 30° C+ we have actually, for supposed security reasons. Each company has a dressing code, and I do not know any city where shorts are authorized for bus drivers, but I may be wrong.
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