How would you know a pedophile?
By vanny
@vandana7 (98826)
India
September 9, 2017 2:51am CST
So a 7 year old student had his throat slit by a pedophile, who happened to be the school bus driver.
Even if the school had availed the services of a detective agency, chances of discovering such dark secrets are remote.
Me says, schools use police services, have each and every candidate they want to recruit whether as teacher, or bus driver, or helper, etc., who is to work on the premises, and make these people go through
a. Lie detector tests;
b. Truth serum tests; AND
c. Hypnotism.
All the three should indicate that the person does not have such tendencies. If that is done, it may be deemed that the person can be recruited, and the school has taken adequate precautions to ensure that the children are safe.
In fact, I have been asking for all three such tests, in other cases as well for faster resolution of the cases, because it does not make sense that people accused of 1993 blasts be convicted only in 2017. That is plain injustice to say the least.
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14 responses
@topffer (42156)
• France
9 Sep 17
We have had a case of a bus driver sentenced in the early 2000's for crimes committed in the 1970's (he had murdered several children).
I think you should add brutal interrogation and torture to your list.
Seriously, it is already difficult to recruit teachers because the wages are relatively low, if you ask them to go through your a/b/c process, they would all resign in my country where the use of lie detectors and truth serums are forbidden because they are considered like harming human dignity. For hypnosis, it is impossible to mesmerize somebody not wanting to be mesmerized.
Actually, as soon as a teacher or somebody in contact with children is suspected to be a pedophile, he/she is suspended from duty until the end of the investigation, and fired if the investigation confirms it (30 teachers in 2016 in France). Besides nobody sentenced for something related to children can be allowed to work with children. I think it is difficult to do more.
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brutal interrogation and torture would surely prevent any good person to apply for that work.@vandana7 (98826)
• India
9 Sep 17
That can't be reason not to make children safe..I mean their wages problem. If government is spending more on legal systems, relating to such crime (hey that premises where court is there, costs, as do judges, infrastructure, services of attorneys, transportation, holding the alleged criminal in prison, nabbing the alleged criminal, time costs of police force for identifying the alleged criminal, reagents costs at forensics and records maintenance, etc., for all of which tax payers pay something).
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
9 Sep 17
Are you serious? I have nothing to hide but I would never applied if I was requested to go through all those ridiculous tests, not to mention that the lie detector is not at all a sure test, stressed people fail, criminals pass it with flying colors.
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
9 Sep 17
@LadyDuck .. But we do agree to go through those metal detectors for proving that we are not terrorists!!! Be it at airport, or malls, we do that, don't we? So does that make us potential criminals..?
As I see it, this to me is safety of the child vs. my perceived dignity/indignity. Nobody will remember that I went through that. But a child will be scarred for life. Even if not mine, I would still want to offer him or her a fair chance for healthy and safe life.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
9 Sep 17
@vandana7 I am sorry, but I do not agree at all on this.Humans are not all criminals and doing something like this is pretending that they are ALL potential criminals and must be screened. We must not suffer for a minority. Severe punishments and an accurate selection are important, not harassment.
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@rosedust82 (2066)
• Philippines
9 Sep 17
It's really hard to find out if a person is like that. You can have a completely normal looking person but when he is in the confines of his home, he becomes a different person. I'd also think that for a lot of tests that we have, these people will find ways to bypass the results and come out with something normal.
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@rosedust82 (2066)
• Philippines
10 Sep 17
@vandana7 That's true. Do you have those things where you live?
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
10 Sep 17
@rosedust82 .. We have those ways to filter pedophiles, but we do not have legal sanction to make it mandatory.
@garymarsh6 (23393)
• United Kingdom
9 Sep 17
Sadly it is hard to find these people unless they are caught in the act or some brave child actually reports it and is believed. These people who prey on children do not deserve to breathe the same air as anyone else! They will plead for their human rights but no one considers the human rights of their victims. A single bullet to the back of the head is the answer to those caught!
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
9 Sep 17
@garymarsh6 .. Exactly. That is a lifetime punishment. It deserves correspondingly lifetime punishment.
On a serious note, if a child suffers it, and whatever is the guilt associated with it, thanks to our moral environment, does he or she not want to hit out at adults for making him or her uncomfortable? Will he follow the same path as a way to imitate adult? Or will he or she set out on revenge with adults, defiant in attitude? Let us just say, we just destroyed the brain of a child who could have given us cure to cancers or hurricanes. All because some pedophile could not control his urge.
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@garymarsh6 (23393)
• United Kingdom
9 Sep 17
@vandana7 Any child who experiences such horrific crime will have that on their minds until they reach the grave. It is horrible.
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
9 Sep 17
It is so hard to say that to parents of children. :( They feel school could have done something quite forgetting that these wolves are right around their own homes, as friends, family, neighbors, or even other people. Just that the child happened to be at school on that unfortunate day.
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@yugocean (9965)
• India
9 Sep 17
I don't think such process is going to happen because there is already too much corruption and yes Reservation for certain where honesty and hardworking is not counted.
It will require system change before all this. A teacher must be like a Guru who teach truth and bring out beat. But this is now hardly happening. We have to change the system back.
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
9 Sep 17
I think much of teaching should come at home. Like teacher teaches in the classroom, but student sees it in laptop. No worry about the child being hurt, no worry about the child getting into bad company or falling in drain, or getting infections, or fighting. No tension about transporting either.
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@poehere (15126)
• French Polynesia
10 Sep 17
I really don't think there is a way to weed out these people. People can hide who they are for so long. it is only in extreme cases such as this that the truth comes out. There are many recorded cases of school teachers and what they did to their students. Students were afraid to report the abuse. Years later it comes out in public and now they can do something about it.
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
10 Sep 17
@poehere ..Agreed that my ways are barbaric. But if a person is behaving barbarically (and I do believe sodomizing a 7 year old is barbaric), the question becomes like deserves like.
Ok...suppose I said ...it is up to you all, do you all want students to trust you? If you all want students to trust you, go through with these. If not, there is 50:50 chance that the student would not trust you.
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@thelme55 (76476)
• Germany
9 Sep 17
It is hard to know if a man is a paedophile. I don't think paedophiles will apply for a job that need the 3 tests you mentioned above. For all we know, it is just an uncle, a friend, a neighbour or a gardener that we know is a good and kind person.
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@vandana7 (98826)
• India
10 Sep 17
So I feel all those who enter the school premises should be made to go through such tests, and those who have not gone through such tests, like sales persons or whoever, should have their finger prints, pictures, etc., taken and there should be record, physical as well as digital, of their movements in the premises, such as somebody accompanying them all over in the premises, wherever they want to go.
@vandana7 (98826)
• India
9 Sep 17
@spaceseed .. I don't think anybody is superior or inferior. We all have different exposures that is all. So if thinking out of box is needed, we should be willing to do so, and check what it brings about ..does it make our world a safer place? If so, why not make it a permanent thing. Children are vulnerable. There is enough percentage of them being abused at home by drunkard and gambler parents. Enough of them running away from poverty and becoming victims in every way to those on streets and railway platforms. Enough of them in orphanages with similar stuff but unable to tell it to anybody. If we let the luckier few also suffer, we have done nothing in our lives.
@spaceseed (2843)
• India
9 Sep 17
@vandana7 Yet you are writing about it and doing your job as a good human, which makes us feel good
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