Was the Las Vegas attack done by an ISIS Muslim terrorist ?

@topffer (30772)
France
October 3, 2017 1:29am CST
I just heard a radio interview of a searcher at the Political Sciences Institute of Paris, and he had a few good arguments going in this direction : 1) ISIS claimed very quickly this attack, giving the Arabic name of this «soldier of the Caliphate», «Abu Abdelberr the American». 2) ISIS has never claimed until now an attack that was not a Muslim attack. 3) He concluded that the «baroque» (his word) recruiting made by ISIS through Internet could not permit to eliminate the hypothesis. Thinking at it, it is not far to what happened in the Bataclan in Paris in 2015 (another attack during a public concert), and like Paris, Las Vegas represents everything these guys are hating. I thought first that it could not be anything else than a mad man attack, I have a serious doubt now.
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@vandana7 (57528)
• India
3 Oct
May be International traveling needs to stop.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
I do not see what it would change. ISIS does not send anybody, they recruit locally through Internet.: quite all ISIS terrorists in France were French, the ones in UK British, etc.
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@LadyDuck (122576)
• Switzerland
3 Oct
Vanny this man did not travel at all, he was a local. This makes no sense.
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@vandana7 (57528)
• India
3 Oct
@LadyDuck .. how can people be so influenced across net and telephonic conversations...that too when they know what photoshop is capable of. At 60+..beats me.
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@TRBRocks420 (62431)
• Banks, Oregon
3 Oct
I wouldn't be surprised by it.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
The argument telling that they never claimed until today an attack not done by a Muslim is a strong one...
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@TRBRocks420 (62431)
• Banks, Oregon
3 Oct
@topffer Yes, also from appearances, it seems he was mentally deranged or possessed by the devil.
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@kepweng (6444)
3 Oct
No my friend according to the news i read its done of a heavy gambler who have a lot of money hes addicted in casino and lost a lot of money
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
It is too early to conclude. For the moment, the FBI said that he had no link with terrorism "for now". I will trust their final conclusions.
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@avi256 (4032)
• Pune, India
3 Oct
Oh....this angle could be a trigger for a person doing such cruel mad thing.
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@jstory07 (58102)
• Roseburg, Oregon
3 Oct
I hope it comes out who was behind the latest attack in Las Vegas.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
I hope that they will be able to clarify that.
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@yugocean (4691)
• India
3 Oct
First thing is, not only refugee, but even locals cannot be trusted. IS is recruiting everywhere. Even in India Hindus, Christian, even Buddhists are recruited first and converted later. IS use 'love jihad' as major operation.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
Refugees fleeing ISIS are not a threat at all, as long as they are screened enough to be sure that they are not ISIS fighters. The searcher said this morning that their way of recruiting was "baroque". It is true : a part of the people they have recruited in France were Christians that they converted, so it is difficult to tell if their claim is true or not.
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@yugocean (4691)
• India
4 Oct
@topffer this isn't a valid point now, althrough I agree situation in Europe is different. But truth is that not even ISIS but also other hardcore criminals and terrorists are entering as refugee in different countries. Once they are out of order, nobody will be safe. They enter as refugee, and convert people , this says so much.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
5 Oct
@yugocean Make a count yourself and tell me how many refugees have done a terrorist attack, anywhere in the world ? It is a bias : Muslim refugees who fled because of ISIS are the best people to dissuade other Muslims to join.
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@much2say (35427)
• United States
6 Oct
I haven't read much on the updates of this man though I do recall reading that the FBI rules out any ISIS links, but hmmmm, some things you just can't rule out completely, right? Hard to believe this one guy could make such preparations and had all those weapons.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
6 Oct
Still difficult to tell, the FBI has not released its conclusions yet. I can hardly believe that a man alone has been able to organize that, but I do not want to enter in a plot theory about this, and I will trust the FBI.
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6 Oct
@topffer From what I am hearing on the news now it was extremely well organized. It seems like he must have gotten someone to help with the planning? Will just have to wait for the FBI conclusions as they search for facts.
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7 Oct
@topffer Oh yes, I agree with that view!
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@JudyEv (101183)
• Bunbury, Australia
4 Oct
We haven't watched much news lately but this is an interesting theory.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
5 Oct
I was in Paris yesterday, and I have not followed the news. I do not know if the FBI has made some update about the motives of this man.
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@Daljinder (19934)
• India
3 Oct
I can agree with the point that Islamic State has never claimed an attack which they did not sponsor. ALthough, I still want to wait for the investigations to be over.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
I follow you here. It is just an opinion from an expert, it has to be confirmed or overturned by the FBI now.
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@NJChicaa (29902)
• United States
3 Oct
They are saying there is no indication the guy had any connection to ISIS
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
They said the same when they started to investigate on the Orlando and San Bernardino attacks. I just wanted to share the opinion of a specialist of ISIS terrorism, who thinks that the claim is credible.
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@nomus24g (16482)
• India
3 Oct
But some say the ISIS claim is a fake one...
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
ISIS says 3 things in its claim that came very quickly after the attack : that he converted to Islam, that the attack was well prepared and they give his Muslim name. It seems credible, and until now ISIS has never claimed an attack that was not a Muslim attack. The FBI says only that there is no link proven actually. They did at first the same for the Orlando and San Bernardino attacks.
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@franxav (3741)
3 Oct
They might claim responsibility for the attack but it's less likely to be an IS act.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
It would be the first time that they would have done that.
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@YrNemo (8765)
5 Oct
I was away from my laptop for a while, and it seems as I missed out quite a lot of news, especially this. Strange that a wealthy US citizen suddenly decided to sympathise with some fanatics' cause, and chose to bring others with him to the other world like this.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
5 Oct
I do not know if the investigations about his motives have progressed. He is certainly not the typical Muslim terrorist, but I think this hypothesis cannot be excluded.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
5 Oct
@YrNemo I read that he sent $100000 to the Philippines the week before. That she was in a foreign country when it happened does not prove that she was not aware of anything. If I was an US policeman, I would adopt the same attitude than them and would tell that she was not involved... to encourage her to come back in order to be questioned.
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@YrNemo (8765)
8 Oct
@topffer Just to show you how different things could be among the wealthy mad and the poor mad when both get depressed .
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@kiran8 (15289)
• Mangalore, India
3 Oct
It is impossible to completely eradicate terror groups. ISIS has no agenda except rule through terror and violence. However, they would take credit even if the gunman is not one of their own because they are losing power and grip on territories .
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
Nothing impossible, but they have never claimed until now an attack not committed by a Muslim.
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@kiran8 (15289)
• Mangalore, India
3 Oct
@topffer Would they be getting desperate ?
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@topffer (30772)
• France
3 Oct
@kiran8 I read that. Nothing impossible, but I am not convinced. I think that they would lose their credibility if it was proven that they claimed an attack having nothing to do with them, and they know it.
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@allen0187 (27600)
• Philippines
4 Oct
ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack but so far this has been disputed by authorities. They continue to say that the shooter is a lone wolf but they are unsure of his motives.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
4 Oct
The FBI had the same attitude when they started to investigate on the San Bernardino and Orlando attacks and disputed that they were related to terrorism. We have to wait for their conclusions.
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@allen0187 (27600)
• Philippines
7 Oct
@topffer true but thing is, one cannot completely trust these type of investigations.
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@wongchoiyee (6586)
• Malaysia
4 Oct
Not sure it was ISIS attack plan, but never say never.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
4 Oct
It is a credible option, we will have to wait the end of the investigations to know more.
• Malaysia
4 Oct
@topffer yes sure.
@avi256 (4032)
• Pune, India
3 Oct
This is really sad and anytime innocent people die for no fault of theirs, it is always painful.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
4 Oct
It is a human drama. It is hardly believable that this monster hurt so many people.
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@avi256 (4032)
• Pune, India
4 Oct
@topffer These kind of insane people always amazed as to what should be going in their mind when they do such things. Is their mind conditioned for long time is it just instinct
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@LeaPea2417 (15448)
• Toccoa, Georgia
4 Oct
I really think this guy had links to ISIS.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
4 Oct
Difficult to tell, but after hearing this specialist I thought that it would be interesting to share his opinion.
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• Pamplona, Spain
3 Oct
Whatever he was he has wrecked the lives of so many people in such a short time. My condolences to all of them. I´m not very good in responses about this kind of thing except seeing what happens is so very sad wherever it happens.
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@topffer (30772)
• France
4 Oct
It is for sure an incredible drama. I just wanted here to share the opinion of a specialist that I heard on the radio yesterday morning.
• Mombasa, Kenya
10 Oct
I doubted ISIS from the word go, the guy must have been insane