DAMA/HAMA_

@ridingbet (66857)
Philippines
March 12, 2018 10:51pm CST
It is really disheartening to learn of some of the patients we take care of at Intermediate Medical Care Unit or IMCU, are brought home by their significant others because of the not-improving conditions despite the management of the doctors, nurses, and the other medical health care providers. A waiver is signed by the immediate member of the patient’s family which should be signed by the attending doctor and witnessed by a nurse-on-duty and other family member. DAMA is Discharged against Medical Advice, and HAMA is Home Against Medical Advice. Last Thursday, a male patient whom we handled since January was DAMA. He was on mechanical ventilator, endotracheal tube, nasogastric tube for feeding, indwelling foley catheter, and on intravenous fluids. His wife and children did not agree on tracheostomy tube insertion. The doctors said tracheostomy can be done so he will no longer use the mech.vent. (mechanical ventilator) and he can be discharged after. His wife thought having the trach (tracheostomy) tube will worsen his condition but the doctors said otherwise. A person can live with tracheostomy tube in place, either temporary or permanent. My student accompanied the patient until at the lobby of the hospital. There, the significant other pulled out the endotracheal tube and nasogastric tube, while the nurse-on-duty pulled out the indwelling foley catheter. The intravenous fluids were removed while the patient was still in his bed. The mech.vent. was also switched off in the ward. I hope our one patient yesterday won’t be DAMA/HAMA today.
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@LadyDuck (457967)
• Switzerland
13 Mar 18
I do not know the reason why his wife and children did not agree on tracheotomy tube insertion. I think it would have been better to ask for a second opinion from another doctor instead of bringing the patient home.
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@LadyDuck (457967)
• Switzerland
14 Mar 18
@thelme55 Thank you Thelma, now I understand how it works. We are lucky in our countries, we can ask as many opinions as we like and they are covered by our insurance.
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@ridingbet (66857)
• Philippines
14 Mar 18
the patient has been in IMCU for more than 2 months, including his stay at medical ward, and i heard all their savings were gone. the relatives can no longer buy medicines for the patient. that may be one reason why they wanted the patient to be DAMA.the other doctors agreed to the procedure of tracheotomy but the wife was crying when she signed the waiver. they refused.
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@thelme55 (76476)
• Germany
13 Mar 18
@LadyDuck I think that is because of money reason. Too expensive and if the PhilHealth will pay, then it is not all expenses are covered. Not all Filipinos are insured like what we have here in Germany and in Switzerland. Lucky are those who are rich and those whose family members are working abroad.
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@mydanods (6513)
• Nigeria
13 Mar 18
At least, you have done your best to render medical service. If someone thinks otherwise and wants DAMA or HAMA, the only thing you medical professionals will do is to ask him to sign a form absolving you of any complications that might result in his treatment. Some people don't just trust doctors that is why they opt for this course of action.
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@ridingbet (66857)
• Philippines
14 Mar 18
actually, the hospital has many forms or waivers for any problems the patients can disagree or agree upon, including refusal for insertion of intravenous fluids.
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@mydanods (6513)
• Nigeria
14 Mar 18
@ridingbet I think Doctors are starting to recognize that they are not always right. So, rather than force their wishes on patients, they allow patients to dictate what course of treatment they wish. Hence, why the different forms and waivers.
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@ridingbet (66857)
• Philippines
16 Mar 18
@mydanods everything should be legally documented. there are many instances that the patients sue the doctors because of malpractice. if there are patients' rights, there are also doctors' rights. even the Do Not Resuscitate, should be signed a waiver by the relatives of the patient. this will free the doctors in to getting into the court.
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@just4him (305981)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
13 Mar 18
I hope that patient survives. It doesn't sound like he will. I hope your current patient continues with your care.
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@just4him (305981)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
14 Mar 18
@ridingbet I hope he'll be all right.
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@ridingbet (66857)
• Philippines
16 Mar 18
@just4him i hope so too.
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@ridingbet (66857)
• Philippines
14 Mar 18
good evening. i have no idea if the patient is still alive, but i believe he is already prognosticated.
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@thelme55 (76476)
• Germany
13 Mar 18
Now I understand about this HAMA and DAMA shortcuts. I hope that patient will still have a long time to live.
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@ridingbet (66857)
• Philippines
14 Mar 18
i hope so too. yes, DAMA and HAMA are 2 abbreviations. there are many more, like MGH, DAT, NGT, OF, etc etc etc.
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@ridingbet (66857)
• Philippines
16 Mar 18
@thelme55 i usually give examinations to my students about abbreviations used in the hospital or nursing textbooks.
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@thelme55 (76476)
• Germany
14 Mar 18
@ridingbet Oh my. I hate abbreviations. .
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