The reasons for Islamophobia

@vandana7 (98787)
India
May 2, 2018 1:07pm CST
Difficult to address the elephant in the room, eh? But I have done before, and continue to do so. 1. Most of the large scale terrorist activities involve Muslims. 2. Most of them never voice their disapproval of such terrorism, which is read as acquiescence by silence 3. Most of them bring religion into normal conversations forcing others to become silent out of politeness. On the flip side 1. There are other communities too that are into terrorism. It is a different issue that they have not succeeded as often. 2. I would think by nature, a "normal" person desires safety, security, prosperity, love, and peace. Therefore, they too must be feeling bad that somebody from their religion was responsible for July 7, and September 11. But they are afraid to voice such feelings fearing fatwah and other isolation. 3. They sound funny and immature when they do. May be my weird sense of humor. So do I fear Muslims. Nope. My neighbor has great maids, they are Muslims and damn honest. I also have good Muslim friends with whom I have never had any disagreements.Some are more honest than the others, but that is true for people from all religions. I however wish the Muslims would move with times, instead of going back to middle ages. I also wish they would be willing to listen for the sake of peace.
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
2 May 18
@vandana7 @thehousewife The Muslims Germans know are mainly Turks who live in Germany. The first Turks came in the 1960s to help rebuild Germany after the war and to work in coal mines and factories. We now have the fourth generation of Turks living here. I think one can say that the Turks living in Germany can't be compared to Muslims living in India and Pakistan. The Muslims there may think that the Turks aren't strict enough.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
2 May 18
This is true. The muslims here are pretty much converts of Hindus so they have same traits only fanaticism towards different religion. Make no mistake, there are fanatic Hindus as well.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
11 Jul 18
@Daljinder They became more fanatic because once they were converted forcibly they were treated like outcasts...sort of excommunicated. Fault of religious leaders.
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@Daljinder (23231)
• Bangalore, India
11 Jul 18
@vandana7 And majority of those conversions were forced, under coercion or due to fear. Not a good base for a religion to stand on in terms of new generation.
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@sabtraversa (12914)
• Italy
2 May 18
I've always had good personal experiences with Muslims. Except some men, but men can always be crap, religion doesn't matter. The problem is within those who want their religion to be state law, and obviously, that is not everyone. I tolerate who tolerates me, I don't support the religion, but, as long as there's mutual respect, it's fine.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
2 May 18
Right attitude. :)
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@topffer (42156)
• France
2 May 18
"The problem is within those who want their religion to be state law, and obviously, that is not everyone." I would like that to be true. There is only 1 country with a majority of Muslims where Islam is not inscribed as the state religion in the Constitution, it is Syria (Lebanon also, but Lebanon is half Christian). Something like a lay state putting all the religions at the same level seems inconceivable for a Muslim.
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@sabtraversa (12914)
• Italy
2 May 18
@topffer Everyone, including those who are minorities in non-Islamic countries. Then yes, most states with a majority of Muslims tend to be 'theocratic', and that's the concern, the secular Western countries don't see that positively.
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@AKRao24 (27424)
• India
2 May 18
I would rather say that instead of talking about Muslims I will be more interested in talking about the Muslim leaders who are sacrificing their own people for the sake of money so that they can have a comfortable life in places like Europe and US! Thanks @vandana7!
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
2 May 18
I was annoyed about that child being hurt with stone. The father, a muslim must hate that stone pelter. Muslim leaders like Owaisi, and Gulab Nabi Azad should have come vociferously. But they are playing politics. If they voice their opinion, the BJP can voice it more strongly, and then they will not win upcoming elections. So they are playing their cards close to chest. Sad, no concern for the little boy. So much for love for Kashmiri brothers.
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@AKRao24 (27424)
• India
2 May 18
@vandana7 , That is the Hippocratic behavior of the leaders ...they will call that as Qurbaniy it time comes!
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@LadyDuck (457918)
• Switzerland
3 May 18
There are the good, the bad and the fanatics in any religion. I have known very good Muslims in the south of France. They never caused problems. You surely know that others in the same country, killed people.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
3 May 18
Yeah..that bombing was bad. I do not recall many getting up to condemn it though. It is natural for people from other religions to do so. But if it comes from within, it feels good, and helps to differentiate between good and bad muslims. All those Muslim leaders of the world should have conveyed apology.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
3 May 18
@LadyDuck That is precisely the reason for Islamophobia. If they all condemn the bad as bad, fear does not surface. It is difficult to identify who is bad and who is good. Even those who seem to be good, may at times, show different colors.
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@LadyDuck (457918)
• Switzerland
3 May 18
@vandana7 Some apologized, some not at all, a few even praised what happened.
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@mom210 (9036)
• United States
4 May 18
there is good and bad in every group of people. People need to try to look for the good, they may just find it
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
4 May 18
Yes, that is so true. But I wish they would raise voice against the murders. They have come here too, and when others are pointing out their fears they have become silent. That is exactly why they raise those fears.
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• Eugene, Oregon
2 May 18
Religions are responsible for much bloodshed throughout history.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
2 May 18
How true...but I don't think we can point finger at religion for september 11 and what ensued.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
2 May 18
@JamesHxstatic Yes, misread their scriptures..sad...misread and mislead...sigh.
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• Eugene, Oregon
2 May 18
@vandana7 The attackers were all of that faith, though were fanatics and misread their own scriptures.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
12 May 18
Not so connected question. How many countries who express horror at "Islamophobia" have been invaded and ruled by 'Islamics' for a period which does not include now? How many of these offended countries are 'western world' by the way.... And....how many of these never had their own invading plans in the history... You accept Islamophobia as a word because you are apologetic, and you are apologetic because you have been guilty. I sure need a lesson in the history of Europan continent. Do we hear cries against Islamophobia in Africa, or in China, Japan? In South America...? And sorry to say, I consider Australia and North America just as the extensions.
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• India
16 May 18
@vandana7 Aha. The "you" is abstract!
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
16 May 18
@hora_fugit I will admit to being swayed at times ..possibly out of love or is it gratefulness towards parent, and not putting in enough effort to rationalize instantaneously. But I don't think I carry that prejudice for longer than few minutes. LOL. Basic nature is to be fair and just at all times. That causes a lot of conflict. Am I doing right? What could be their reasons? These people have reasons too to feel aggrieved. Was the action justified and all that. It is exactly on that ground that I managed to decide that Hindus erred by demolishing Babri Masjid, and Muslims erred by burning alive pilgrims. One qualifies as contempt of court, and other qualifies as mass murder. We do need constitution free from religious influences. :( And yes, I am for LGBT rights too. It will decrease population some in many cases.
@vandana7 (98787)
• India
13 May 18
Here comes the knowledgeable one. I am guilty? Perhaps. Perhaps not. I try to keep a balance. That is what I believe I do. I have a parent who is out rightly against muslims. He belongs to an era that used to say I will dip my hand in oil and then in mustard seeds. If a muslim swore that many times that he is telling truth, I would not believe him. My arguments with him are Jayachand was not muslim. He betrayed Prithviraj. And my relatives are not muslims either. So it is actually good and bad people in every religion. Then when a muslim does something wrong ...I do feel anger welling up...as was in Nirbhaya's case. But I get down to being rational again. I felt anger when pilgrims were burned alive. I felt like asking every muslim ..when Babri masjid was demolished, not a single Muslim was hurt. You could have broken down a Hindu temple. Where was the need to kill? I doubt if I qualify as a person with Islamophobia. Who knows. I might be guilty. lol
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• Philippines
3 May 18
Islam is one of the biggest religion of the world but what is shown in the bias media is all the negative things associated with Islam.You can find majority of Muslims in Malaysia, Indonesia, in middle eastern countries and minorities in other parts of the world.Some of the richest countries like Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain,and United Arab Emirates are Islamic countries and you will be amazed at how their citizens are enjoying their luxurious life style with their great architecture.In fact the highest towers being built in the world is in Islamic countries like Malaysia,U.A.E and Saudi Arabia and to label Islamic nations as backward is pure ignorance.Yes, there are still Muslims who are barbaric but it's not Islamic at all, it's human nature but when you are educated and understands well the teaching of Islam, you will become a better person.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
3 May 18
Dare to say Boko Haram as barbaric? Or many others. How many of leaders dare to say that? Ordinary people say it, but within their group or may be not. Is there a fear to vociferously condemn activities such as those? I agree all religions have good and bad. And I have condemned bad in my religion as well. But you all rarely stand up for the right across religious borders. That causes agony. This and the other reason is not realizing that more children cause more rift among families and siblings not to mention problems regarding jobs, water, housing, sanitation, air, etc. I feel glad I am not a muslim because I think you all are increasing in number because you all are having more children, not because merits of your religion are getting a thumbs up. If that changed, people would sit up read your holy scriptures. As things stand you all ask us to read your holy books, but we feel these people are so backward, why should we even bother.
• Philippines
4 May 18
@vandana7 Well,I'm on my thirties and haven't have children of my own and spinsterhood problem is spreading across Islamic gulf countries by which they are decreasing the amount of dowry and giving rewards for men just get married.Islam is the fastest growing religion because of the several converts into it especially after September 11 attack which brings much attention to Islam.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
6 May 18
@kareemadivina Can you clarify my doubts in yes or no?
@suni51 (3429)
• India
3 May 18
They are not going back to middle ages but doing it all with a purpose. This is not Islamophobia but planned way of Islamization. They have a dream to bring the entire world under one umbrella. And they are fast approaching their target. By the way, we would be the first under their regime as was the case not so long ago. And finally, British won't come to our rescue this time around. Read it (not a ref link)
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
6 May 18
I don't believe they are that intelligent..LOL. It is not possible for brain not to be damaged with the kind of starvation they subject it to each year. I am going to argue with one person out here...somebody from Philippines. I am hoping he will see what others see in their religion and starts question his beliefs, not in his religion but the false stuff and interpretation around his religion. That way may be one person can be awakened, and start taking things with a pinch of salt.
@id_peace (14005)
• Singapore
12 Jul 18
Most of my muslim friends are cool. Cos in my country everyone is having a high standard of living so we don't treat religion as something to die for. No muslim friends of mine is going to go join ISIS even through we do still have some who went to the dark side.
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@just4him (305965)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
2 May 18
I'm glad you have neighbors who are good and honest Muslims.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
2 May 18
We do carry impressions for way too long. In reality, they are little different from us and some others.
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@RubyHawk (99425)
• Atlanta, Georgia
11 May 18
I have never personally known any muslims but I feel sure all do not share the same views.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
11 May 18
In a normal conversation, my god will not be brought in. In your normal conversation, you too would not bring in Christ. But a muslim will try to bring in allah, which brings in some pregnant silence. I find it amusing because they must have faced that several times, but not realized that it stops the conversation moving forward. While I am fine with god bless, it becomes a bit awkward when every opportunity is siezed to spread the religion. In the past, it may have been fine, it is a bit odd now. Second thing is there are some of them who believe using family planning is not right as per their culture. But they are fine with taking treatment for conceiving, or prolonging lives. Likewise, their scriptures ban taking interest, but there is no provision for giving interest, so why should they force their laws on others. Banks will charge interest on borrowings, and they have to be paid. As simple as that. They are not adapting to such things which the rest of the world accepts. Then again their scriptures say kill anybody who tries to hurt Islam. Killing? In these days and times? Against law? If they put religion above law then it would be war among religions. I know they do that because Hindus in our country broke Babri Masjid which I have and many other Hindus said was wrong because the matter was subjudice. People cannot take law in their hands. But politicians participated in it. It caused a lot of anguish. Corresponding action should have been demolishing a Hindu temple. Instead, they burned down live people in a train. When Masjid was demolished, not a single person lost life. But when pilgrims were returning they were burned alive. That was horrifying which led to communal riots and a lot of murders. They also do not believe in give and take sort of understanding. Therefore, if they demand something, it would be like "my way or high way" attitude. That leaves little room for negotiating peace. If anybody from their community decides to compromise some, they wouldn't hesitate in killing him also, because everything is perceived as an insult to their god Allah. Therefore, reasoning with most of them is a very difficult proposition.
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@RubyHawk (99425)
• Atlanta, Georgia
12 May 18
@vandana7 I can understand that. I've never dealt with Muslims but Christians try dragging you into their religion too. They wouldn't kill you but they are not understanding of anyone who doesn't believe in religion.
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@stapllotik (1933)
• India
3 May 18
In the Islamic world, the law itself says women are inferior to men . Any comments?
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
6 May 18
I think that is there in almost all cultures. Why is it that Sitaji was asked to prove she was pure, while Shri Ramji was not?
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
11 May 18
@stapllotik I agree, mullahs and prophets and some powerful and rich people have misinterpreted that religion, adding nonsense there, for the benefit of rich and powerful.
• India
6 May 18
@vandana7 That was in 7292 BC. Had it been in todays era , Ramji sure would have sued by sitaji. My point is there are laws which supports women , at least in Indian context. What I see in present days Islamic culture is its deadly interpretation by so called " mullahs". I respect and love Allah's Islam and not Mullahs Islam which is dangerous for every women who follows Islam.
@Ntan822 (530)
• Israel
11 Jul 18
i don't really care for Muslims. most are peaceful and want to live happily just as everyone. i do care about Arabic though. because to me it's "i'm not gonna trust you and i hate you until you proven otherwise." i'm Jewish. i don't afraid of them.. i'm angry with them (until proven otherwise). if you are Arabic i hope you won't get offended. please.. you are welcome to send me a message and we'll talk about everything. peacefully
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
12 Jul 18
I am not a Muslim. But I have known Muslims who are good, and who are bad. But then, I know of Hindus (relatives) who are good, and who are bad. So for me to get prejudiced based on religion is a difficult proposition. I can condemn a person, not a community, not a religion, not a caste. At the best, I am good at condemning people from my caste and religion because I know them inside out..so to speak. I have nothing against Jews. The few I know are really great souls. Default, the person who comes in front of me, is a good person provided he is open to reasoning. The person who comes in front of me is bad, if he does not accept that in about 30 years from now, there would not be enough water in my country to clean the sh it from between the bums. I may not be around, but they and their children have to live in that era. So time up as far as population is concerned for my country.
@vandana7 (98787)
• India
12 Jul 18
@Ntan822 No...I do understand, and I did come up with a solution to the problem a few years ago, but there is no way I can get it across to the right ears. Both Arabs and Israelis cannot afford to spend another dollar on fighting because the oil resources are limited, and there will come a time in less than 50 years when they will be staring at empty coffers having spent all their resources fighting one another, instead of creating something for the future generations. So my solution though not palatable, was buy lands in adjacent countries, along with agreements that they would be helped to come up. Now, naturally buying lands from another country is not going to be easy proposition, so UN can be approached, and every country that wants this dispute to end, can agree to contribute something annually, so that development works can be undertaken. Agreed that there are backward tribes in there, and they won't understand modern ways. But that is the challenge, and better than fighting Arabs forever. Fairness and friendships like with Gabon can help. As to Jerusalem it can go under the custody of the UN as UN heritage site like our disputed Kashmir. All sides would have to stop fighting. There are islands too which can be sold off too Palestinians. The world can get together to help end this dispute by contributing something. As to Jews...I am an outsider so my views would be in the range of I admit I sought evidence about Hitler for condemning him, and did not stop till I found it. http://www.mylot.com/post/3157227/i-was-wrong-about-hitler
In retrospect I think that way. Being out of both Jewish and Christian/Catholic religions, I can be clinical in my approach. So here are my reasons why I say...
@Ntan822 (530)
• Israel
12 Jul 18
@vandana7 i don't agree with this. Israel actually still evolving. it's the Arabs that stuck with a failed government. every day we still building more and more neighborhoods and more and more inventions. we are much stronger and have the US support. the UN is 100% against Israel. no way in a gazillion years that Jerusalem will be under anyone custody but Israel. like no other country will give away their capital so do we. Israel doesn't sell anything to the Arabs. we give. but they don't want land. they want our immediate distraction. Edit: i'm not sure what you wrote about Hitler but i'm not gonna discuss it. there is nothing to discuss...
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@crossbones27 (48417)
• Mojave, California
12 Jul 18
You cool miss Vanny. I always like chatting with you and trust me more are on the same page with you than me. Does not mean they are right. Does not mean they are wrong either. I think sometimes to me it all comes down to sounds like straight hate to me. I get confused as to who really has proper beefs or complaints. Can thank the trolls of the world for that one and why we should all make sure we take care in how we write things, but me to lazy for that and know I am usually on the right side of history. That being said. Muslims need to do what I do to punk rock, which is obviously my love and passion. Call it out to make it better for everyone.
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@skysnap (20154)
2 May 18
I have seen one funny loop in EU politics though. 1. Be an atheist or agnostic if you're non-Islamic. 2. Be apologetic person and be inclusive towards Islamic community to avoid being called Islamophobic. 3. Either support radical Islam by accepting it or by accepting the set of people. 4. Keep Islamic community from being judged by other religions. 5. Accept sharia laws demanded by Islamic once they migrate into your nation. 6. Go back to step 1. Considering what is happening in Syria to Sweden and other EU nations. I'd say white population has gone pretty apologetic towards Muslim. And Muslim now gone more radical in places where they are majority and mellow where they are minority. That's what always how nature works. Red ant and Black ants.
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