The unspoken prejudice: Ageism

@JohnRoberts (109857)
Los Angeles, California
March 24, 2019 10:59am CST
Awhile back here on myLot, a millennial member posted a political discussion and became engaged in a heated back and forth exchange with another member expressing opposing viewpoints. Subject matter isn’t the issue but the manner in which the discussion essentially climaxed with the millennial stating “You must be an old person.” I could “hear” a snarling contemptuous tone that symbolized growing disregard verging on hostility toward the older crowd never seen before in society. It is ageism, the unacknowledged “ism.” It does exist from blatant in your face rudeness to the more subtle. Age discrimination has become very real. There’s always been generation gaps. It’s natural. There’s always been the young set referring to elders as old geezers and squares. Again, natural. We’ve all gone through that phase. The difference is we used to mature into adults leaving that attitude behind. Today, the “old people” are being thrown under the bus in a variety of ways. This “ism” has exploded during the past 10 years beginning with the recession sending 1000s of laid off mature workers to the unemployment line. A grim reality developed. Over age 50 workers were not wanted or considered. It was revealed that some employers simply deleted and dumped resumes of those over 50 or thought to be over 50. This was reported. I have read such stories over the years. The Age Discrimination Act of 1967 is nearly impossible to enforce. The result was a flood of forced retirees applying for early Social Security to government dismay. The millennial reaction: vocal harsh resentment that money is taken from their paychecks to support Social Security and Medicare for “old people.” Ignorance. Retirees are basically receiving back money taken from a lifetime of paychecks. Blame the government for mismanaging its Social Security Ponzi scheme. The media and Hollywood pander to the youth demographic as if only that one matters. Adult programming is slowly becoming a niche product. Old black and white movies are sneered at and one film professor reported his class refused to watch them. Advertising and corporations also pander to that demographic to the point you get the feeling a young dollar is somehow more valuable than an old dollar. Millennials like to rant that “old people” are the cause of social injustice and ruining the environment. A fair argument if they were capable of engaging in reasonable debate rather than raging and screaming you better be with them or else. There’s a big but. If you point out to a millennial their own environmental pollution or social prejudices, the response tends to either be silence or anger. They don’t handle criticism or debate well. Of course not all young people are purveyors of ageism and hostility. The vast majority are not. However, there is a segment operating in the media, tech industry and politics that are fostering age discrimination. It’s more of a generalized social attitude. We exist in a politically correct era where retribution is swift for the slightest perceived discrimination against race, gender, sexual preference, religion plus the issues of body shaming, sexism and climate change. What’s missing from the list of don’ts: age. There’s a difference between a snarky “You must be an old person” and meant in jest “You must be an old person” where you kid back “You must must be a young person.” One is nasty and the other humorous. The former is offensive. Substitute another word for old from the don’t list and it’s grounds for moral outrage and being kicked off a site. But it’s open season on the old. The rude awakening will come when millennials are the old people. This is an observation from the perspective of an “old person” not meant to offend anyone of any age. This isn’t a dissertation filled with footnotes to back up statements. Just a voice from the unspoken discriminated. Have a laugh at the clip from “The Office” about ageism.
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61 responses
@andriaperry (116860)
• Anniston, Alabama
24 Mar 19
Yes, the cell phone zombies do have a rude awaking, I have often thought about this, if the grid went down how would they survive? They know nothing but plastic, food grows in the grocery store, I cannot see any of them killing a cow for steak! I was raised to say yes sir/ma`am and no with the title sir and ma`am no matter the age or color, but especially when an elder was asking. While most/some people rally for animals and children, me and my little sister have always took up for the elderly. I do not know why we just have.
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@akalinus (40432)
• United States
24 Mar 19
I grew up with yes sir/ma'am, also. In China, old people were revered for their wisdom. When they spoke, it was the end of the argument. In the US, they are pushed aside, ignored, and mostly irrelevant.
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@TheHorse (205250)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 May 19
Yeppers. See my comment above (or below). I call it "entitlement." They WOULLD be lost if the grid went down!
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@LindaOHio (155562)
• United States
24 Mar 19
I'm glad someone respects the elderly!...since I'm a part of that group.
@akalinus (40432)
• United States
24 Mar 19
I am an older person. I earn money for doing activities online. Most surveys disqualify me the second I enter my age. They presume that I do not buy anything or spend money in other ways. My opinion is not wanted. Apparently, my dollars are inferior to a younger person's dollars. That is only one aggravation of being older. There are many other examples I could cite.
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@akalinus (40432)
• United States
25 Mar 19
@JohnRoberts It is hardly fair and it might even be illegal. I have also been excluded because I am not Hispanic or Latina.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
25 Mar 19
I know the feeling. I have been disqualified for numerous surveys due to age.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
25 Mar 19
@akalinus I have run into the issue that not speaking Spanish or being Hispanic disqualifies me from consideration.
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@LadyDuck (457412)
• Switzerland
24 Mar 19
There is an increasing discrimination toward "old people", at least here in Europe. It's like we are stealing young people money to pay our pensions, that is ridiculous because WE paid for this. Young age does not last forever, they will face the rude reality.
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@LadyDuck (457412)
• Switzerland
24 Mar 19
@JohnRoberts European WERE more reverent, there are still a percentage of young people who respect the elders, but it's changing.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
I did not know that is also happening in European. I thought Europeans were more reverent toward the aged.
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@TheHorse (205250)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 May 19
Today's older people are among those who fought for civil rights, women's rights, workers' rights, etc.
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@Tampa_girl7 (48890)
• United States
24 Mar 19
Yes, they're in for a very rude awakening.
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@TheHorse (205250)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 May 19
When will that awakening occur?
@NJChicaa (115920)
• United States
24 Mar 19
I was brought up to respect my elders, not be contemptuous of them.
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@FourWalls (61951)
• United States
24 Mar 19
But you were brought up in an era of manners. They don’t exist today.
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@NJChicaa (115920)
• United States
24 Mar 19
@FourWalls very true
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@TheHorse (205250)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 May 19
I still respect my elders. They helped make me what I am, in spite of myself.
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@Sojourn (13829)
• India
24 Mar 19
Really sad state of affairs,but I fully believe your words that " The rude awakening will come when millennials are the old people" will come back to haunt the so called 'cool' millenials hard.BTW, I am born in the 1990's.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
You are from India where society has an appreciation for their elders.
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• Valdosta, Georgia
24 Mar 19
Unfortunately, not everyone follows treat others as you want to be treated. But they should... One day we will all be older, and we all want to be treated nicely so we should give the same treatment. All are equal in God's eyes, none better than another in any way.
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• Valdosta, Georgia
24 Mar 19
@JohnRoberts Well thank you! I have been criticized by all generations actually, but it's okay. =)
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
You and your family are most definitely in the nice millennial group! You treat everyone equally. In fact, you may have been a criticized victim by your own generation.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
@LovingMyBabies Stick to your convictions and beliefs.
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• Preston, England
25 Mar 19
At 57 though 8 years short of the standard retirement age I see many employers turning me down already as too old
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
25 Mar 19
That's the reality these days. Experience counts for nothing.
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• Preston, England
25 Mar 19
@JohnRoberts not at all these days sadly
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@norcal (4890)
• Franklinton, North Carolina
25 Mar 19
I experienced the same sort of thing. I think that, with every job attracting so many applicants, employers assumed that the younger people would be more energetic and could "think outside the box." Also, maybe they thought a more experienced candidate would expect a higher salary. Many jobs require different skill than some of us have. Even from people who have worked in tech industries, things are moving so fast that there is a perception that younger people's skill will be more cutting edge.
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@FourWalls (61951)
• United States
24 Mar 19
I want it known that I do not discriminate against individuals who didn’t grow up buying 45s, watching a black & white TV with three channels, and an AM transistor radio for an iPod. Seriously, though, I think there’s long been ageism in society, but we don’t want to talk about it. There are two options in life: get old, or die before you do. You’re correct about the entertainment industry, too. Remember what a novelty The Golden Girls was? They said “nobody” would watch a TV show where the average age of the star was 50. Ha. Thanks to the MTV age (a good thing about being old is you can remember when the M stood for music, not manure), music stars today have to be young and pretty. People like Phil Collins, Tom Petty, Steve Miller, and Bob Dylan would never have become “stars” in an era where their looks mattered to the exclusion of everything else. This is one of the most important things I’ve ever seen on myLot. Everyone needs to read this. Then re-read it. Then read it again.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
MTV era videos with its jump cutting and editing and emphasis on blitzkrieg images rather than content is responsible for the decline of film. So many current directors cut their teeth making videos and incapable of depth. Several generations have grown with those vapid images and they cannot comprehend anything of substance and depth.
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@Hate2Iron (15730)
• Canada
24 Mar 19
I was taught respect too. I STILL refer to my aunts and uncles by Aunt something or Uncle something. I even have an uncle who is just 10 years older than I am... I wouldn't dream of calling him anything but Uncle Mark... and then there are friends that I grew up with. They have always been addressed as Mr. or Mrs surname... It didn't matter how old you were, you respected anyone older than you!
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• Gate City, Virginia
16 May 19
And/or *seemed* to do when they *seemed* older...it started in high school, where sophomores could patronize and cutesipate freshmen, and I know some people who still just love being able to get away with doing it in middle age. Sometimes I fantasize about yelling, "You only LOOK more than ten years older than I am! You're not even FIVE years older!" But the consensus of local opinion would be that three years is still "older" and these people certainly look less healthy...
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@1creekgirl (40411)
• United States
24 Mar 19
John, what an excellent post! Very articulate, wise, and totally relevant. Thank you. This should be required reading for everyone under the age of 40.
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@DianneN (246334)
• United States
24 Mar 19
This was beautifully written, John, and you are absolutely correct. I was raised to respect my elders, and taught my children the same. Let's hope those rude millennials are lucky enough to live to old age.
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@DianneN (246334)
• United States
24 Mar 19
@JohnRoberts I agree. I must have missed something big on here.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
They need to learn anger and hostility and being so close minded is not going to accomplish anything for long term future. If you want to convince me of a point, reasonably present it and don't scream it in a you better or else manner.
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@LindaOHio (155562)
• United States
24 Mar 19
It's nice to have some respect once and a while since I am in the elderly group.
@Morleyhunt (21737)
• Canada
24 Mar 19
I can go back 15 years. I was on a mission trip with five other women (girls) the youngest being 14 and the oldest other member of the group 26...I was 48 and they were shocked that I could make pancakes without a mix of even a written recipie.
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24 Mar 19
I believe they're scared, just as we were their age. Now, we're old, we've arrived and the wiser. And they're still fumbling their way through to 'get there' to the same things we were working hard and aspiring for. Right now, these younguns' I-know-everything attitude is just a front, a facade. I just hope they're having fun while earning and working hard with their lives. Coz' I ain't gonna pay for their fun and pleasure. Eventually, they'll work it out for themselves toward the path of finding meaning and purpose as thery approach late 20s. :-D But it's my little secret that I know what's going on in their minds.
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@GardenGerty (157485)
• United States
24 Mar 19
@JohnRoberts I do think that is the key. No matter how disrespectful their inner self was, in the past people still acted and spoke appropriately. Now whatever runs through their mind spills out their mouth with no barriers or filters or even a second thought.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
Yes, but past generations didn't display this degree of unpleasantness toward elders.
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• Gate City, Virginia
16 May 19
Point. In fact that's one point where I remember being caught in a cultural gap, living on two corners of Virginia in my twenties. In the city the pressure was to speak out, assert oneself, believe in oneself, firm handshake and hard eye contact and all that, and at all costs avoid modest or "overly" deferential manners. Call your teachers by their given names! Demand to speak to the person at the top, and don't hang up or go away until you do! If you think of yourself as junior to other people, you can EXPECT them to treat you as inferior in every way! In my home town the pressure was to be modest and deferential to the older generation...and in most of Virginia, not only do the older generation expect to dominate every scene, but they don't retire, or rather this is where they retire to! People move up from being "X's little boy/girl who works at the store" to being "X's son/daughter who's taken over the store" when they're 72 and their parents die. Let's just say I don't remember feeling so frustrated by this that I shoved anyone's grandparent under a city bus. (Then again, I don't remember any grandparents being senile enough to tell me how to "be" while standing on the steps of a city bus.) Or babbled in public about any specific age being long enough for people to live. As what P.J. O'Rourke defined as a member of the Freshman Class of Baby-Boomers, I used to resent the Junior and Senior Classes for being so much bigger, but there need to be limits to everything.
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@snowy22315 (169626)
• United States
24 Mar 19
I think it has always existed, but now we have a name for it.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
24 Mar 19
There are always been conflicts between generations, I find the millennials disillusioned compared to my generation. Brel wrote "Les Bourgeois" in 1962, ageism is not that new.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
24 Mar 19
Ageism is not new. What I am commenting upon is that it has grown worse and more hostile in recent times.
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@amadeo (111948)
• United States
24 Mar 19
Same here John.This was always stress to respect the elders. But I do see the happening here on this.
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@moffittjc (118365)
• Gainesville, Florida
24 Mar 19
I see it all the time, but it's no wore now than when I was a teen. I used to make fun of old people, and then one day I grew up and realized the old people I was making fun of were the ones that stood up to Hitler and fought in WWII and sacrificed so much to ensure good overpowered evil. I think every young generation makes fun of old people. It's part of the immaturity of being young. I look at things a little differently, I see ageism in the opposite way. I see us older generations mocking millennials. And not just behind their backs, but openly mocking them in from of their face. We put them down because they graduate college with tens of thousands of dollars in debt. We laugh at them because they live at home with their parents because they can't get jobs. We mock them for being addicted to their cell phones, and tease them because they are overly sensitive and get offended at everything. But it's a mess we created. And also, I don't blame the younger generation for disliking the older generation. Do you see the state of the planet we are leaving them to inherit? Those poor millennials, I feel bad for them.
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@moffittjc (118365)
• Gainesville, Florida
29 Mar 19
@JohnRoberts The funny thing about millennials, is that they are so sensitive about everything, they literally can't take a joke. So when older people mock them, they cry and have to go to therapy. LOL
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
25 Mar 19
The millennials brought the mocking upon themselves because of their behavior and attitude. Keep attacking a group (the elderly) and expect an eventual lashing back.
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@JohnRoberts (109857)
• Los Angeles, California
29 Mar 19
@moffittjc I remember that a college set up a "safe" zone with hot chocolate and puppies for distraught students driven to hysteria over a MAGA hat.
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@CarolDM (203454)
• Nashville, Tennessee
24 Mar 19
You make excellent points John. Also, in today's world nobody wants to take responsibility, so why not blame it on the "old people". It is their way out of any responsibility. A crazy world for sure with no respect for anyone. One day they will look back and pause. Great post.
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@DocAndersen (54413)
• United States
25 Mar 19
It is something that I find myself struggling with. In part, because it happens to me. In part, because i watch my kids, and try to move them out of the reality of ageism. Based on that I do see the good and the bad in the overall argument. As you rightly say I grew up being taught to respect those who were here first. I also know that from a young person perspective there are old ways that are roadblocks. What I always tell my kids is this "It is ok to question with respect." Great post John!
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