Public education, private education, or homeschooling?

@Metallion (2227)
United States
December 10, 2006 12:54pm CST
What do you think works best for kids? In my opinion either public school or private school are the better choices. I hear many people want to homeschool their kids because they feel the other kids are a bad influence on their child. The problem is it's not always the other kid's faults. Sometimes your kids experience situations you haven't spoken with them about that situation there is a chance they will do the wrong thing. The key though is removing them from socializing with other kids by homeschooling them won't solve the problem, it will only delay it. Eventually your kids will have to deal with society, which is a social experience. If they don't learn to interact with other kids in public or private schools they will have to learn it at an older age (college or the workplace) and be behind and possibly face worse results (firing, failing in school, failed relationships), etc. So, if you choose homeschool, why do you do it? Is it to remove them from social pressures?
69 responses
@maddog108 (3435)
• Australia
11 Dec 06
private school kids appear to do better after they leave
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I don't think the answer is that cut and dry. I think part of it is the poorer students and more disruptive ones come from families that can't afford private school. That doesn't mean the education is better at private school , just the environment might be less disruptive. Keep in mind that sometimes private school kids come out with a superiority complex which isn't a good thing.
• United States
11 Dec 06
The evidence is right before our eyes. Generally speaking there seems to be is a great difference in the mentality between public school and private school children. Some public schools seem to hold their students to the same standards as private schooled children. I have observed that schools that have a large number of students that come from low economic backgrounds tend to be way behind private school students as far as curriculm is concerned. Private school kids are more advanced. I really think that it comes down to the parents. If education is a huge priority in your household then no matter what environment your child is in they will do well. Months ago I was tuned into 20/20 and there was a woman who was complaining that her son, who was 16 or 18 or so couldn't read. Of course she was blaming this atrocity on the school district. I was sitting there thinking, this woman is just discovering that her son can't read? After 11-13 years of raising him? Come on! How much did YOU contribute to your son's education? It's not just the SCHOOL SYSTEM'S responsibilty to educate your son. Public schools need more money! Is a phrase that is heard from coast to coast. Why? Because good teachers don't want to babysit your disrespectful, troublemaking kids? It's too hard for the teachers to do their JOB? Take responsibility for your children people. Some of us are tired of carrying your load.
@ryan444 (207)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Do you have any evidence? I mean just because there are some well to do people who attended private schools doesn't mean they work in general.
• United States
11 Dec 06
Each has advantages and disadvantages. Public schools are often underfunded, classrooms over crowded and the childen all expected to perform at the same pace....Private schools lack the diversity of public schools in culture and interactions. Home schooling can be the perfect solution for some. It allows the child to learn at his or her own pace, accelerated in some areas, average in others and perhaps even slower than what is considered the norm. There is no competetion for grades, no curve. The attention is one on one, breaks can be when it is convenient, not scheduled. The ability not to adhere to the rigidity of both public and private schooling can be either an enormous plus or a gaping minus. Depending on the parent. Socialization can be done by introducing the child to sports, church or other means available. Even with public schools, often children fail to socialize...due to various reasons which I shall not go into at this time. I have known children from both public and private schools and have yet to see appreciable differences between their socialization and that of the children I have known attending home school classes.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
11 Dec 06
In the real world, there is competition to perform. It's going to be a real culture shock for someone who did not have to compete with the rest of their class for their grade to get into the working world.
• United States
13 Dec 06
The curriculum for home schooling that my daughter-in-law used wasn't the view of one person. It was compiled by a number of people. There was plenty of online help if she needed it, and the other group mothers could also help if needed. My granddaughter had plenty of friends in her neighborhood, church and sports activities and knows how to get along with other people. She's a wonderful young woman that I'm very proud of, and her mother did a great job with the home schooling. Sometimes her home school group would get the kids all together for classes also. They had plenty of interaction. My granddaughter loved the concept of home schooling, and I feel she did better there because she could move ahead at her own pace and not have to wait on others to go forward. I can remember how bored I used to be in some classes because I would finish all my work or a test and just have to sit there until everyone else was finished. She could get done and go on to something else. She's had no problems on her job and is a great employee...one anyone would be proud to have work for them.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Participating in sports and group events does lessen some of the negatives of homeschooling, but they are still just learning the views of one person.
@Pici0274 (557)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Well, I don't know any facts about this. But I do have some personal observation. With public school there seems to be a lot of peer pressure. Home school doesn't have that problem. Public school kids seem to have too much attitude. In general it appears that home school kids are more behaved and seem to have learned more.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
you say they behave better, but they have very little experience behaving with their peers, eventually they have to learn and they could have difficulties at an older age.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
11 Dec 06
How would they learn more when public school kids are exposed to more information from a wider variety of sources? And just because you send your kids to public school, that doesn't mean you stop parenting and don't make them behave. Public school kids have to behave or suffer detention. If kids didn't behave in class, how would the teachers control 30 students?
• India
11 Dec 06
Public education is good
• United States
13 Dec 06
Metallion, I'm so glad you said that.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
12 Dec 06
Thank you for your insightful response, how about listing some logic behind it like others are doing here?
• United States
11 Dec 06
My mom pulled me out of school after 8th grade because she thought I was mixing with the wrong kind of people... I had boyfriends outside of my religion... was looking into Wicca and hanging out with the "weird" kids. I basically homeschooled myself. I got the books through an acredited school and I just followed the curriculum. My mom also homeschooled my brothers through middle school and high school. While I missed out on prom (one of the only things I missed about high school other than the chance for scholarships)... I had a very active social life through church, 4H, acting lessons, dance lessons, art classes, voice lessons, and friends. So I don't think that I missed out on social interactions. Believe me - church kids can be just as shallow and mean and cliquish as normal high schoolers. On the plus side I was still 16 when I graduated high school. I started college and when I took the placement test I was told that I placed higher than 98% of the kids that had gone to regular high school and had taken the test. I had two years of college under my belt when I was eight. My brothers were able to do two years of college for free while they were in high school. So it has it's ups and downs. I will either home school my kids or send them to a Waldorf school when I have them. I know from when I was in school that most of the class period is spent trying to get the students under control. There are a lot of disruptions. I think as long as you have your kids enrolled in sports, groups, extra-curicular activities where they can get social interaction, homeschooling isn't so bad. But it gets bad when the kid doesn't have any contact with other kids except siblings. Those types of situations scare me.
• United States
13 Dec 06
Withoutwings, that's the kind of home schooling my granddaughter received. She wasn't isolated or cut off from the outside world. She took modeling classes, acted in plays, was in several sports at a local school, had many friends through church, groups and her sports activities. She had plenty of social interaction and is a very well rounded young lady today. I'm very proud of her and you for all you've accomplished. Keep up the good work.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
13 Dec 06
Yeah, I think the thing is that you can't protect the kids forever, eventually the will be exposed to bad influences if they don't learn how to deal with them through experience along with your guiding them they will have trouble later. Just telling them how to handle situations without them experiencing them doesn't always work.
• United States
12 Dec 06
I just have to say that I'm really shocked and saddened at the degree of misinformation so many people here have about homeschooling. I have homeschooled my children now for nearly 8 years. They are smart, outgoing, very easy to make friends with, not at all closed in or closedminded. My oldest son is doing some college level work not because he has to but because he wants to, my other children are also very smart and not afraid to make mistakes, fail or anything along those lines when it comes to learning because they fully understand how life it. We live in a very poor neighborhood and we are fitting right in cause we are just as poor as everybody else around here but we are not snobbish and we know how to interact with rich people, poor people, white people, black people and any other person we come across, maybe even more so than some of you might from what I have read. The lack of understanding from many of the people who have responded is really disheartening and disturbing. If you met my child and didn't know they were homeschooled you would treat them kindly but if you later found out you would treat them like second, no as third class citizens. I say that because you already are and you haven't even met them and you already are treating them that way, that is sad.
• United States
13 Dec 06
Very well said...so many just don't understand about GOOD homeschooling. My granddaughter was far ahead of her peers also. She's been out of school for 2 years and her boyfriend is just graduating in 2007. She has friends from many cultures and races, and is very outgoing. She knows how to interact with everyone she meets also. Her whole school life, she had friends who attended public and private schools and some that were homeschooled like her. Homeschooled kids are NOT cut off from the world. I wish people could understand this.
• United States
13 Dec 06
Thank you, it is nice to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. This is the first place I have come to online with so much negativity about homeschooling, culture shock :(.
@sanell (2112)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I think that public or private school as well, My mom's friend homeschooled her kids and two of her daughters got pregnant at very young ages, never got to go to college and right now her youngest is just graduating from home school, she has a boyfriend who is also home schooled and both are going to go to college but he is planning on going to a university and she just to a junior college. Basically once they are done with the home school, it is like being in the amish community, they let you go on a mission and all those kids just go WILD because they never had it before, some go back and some stay away and get into all sorts of trouble. I feel that is how homeschool can affect some kids.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Yes, the lack of interaction early on can mean they don't know how to react to peer pressure, or they will just want to rebel even more after being kept away from other kids.
• United States
13 Dec 06
Uh, don't you think the mother's attitude or neglect might have had something to do with the fact that her daughters got pregnant? Don't blame it on home schooling. LOL.
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I think it's a decision each parent has to make. My oldest granddaughter (now 19) was homeschooled. She had plenty of interaction with other kids her age (neighbors, relatives, church activities), and the other kids in her homeschool group met for "physical education" activities and trips and such. She even got to play volleyball and soccer at a local Christian school that allowed homeschooled children to take part in their sports. I think you have a misconception of what homeschooling is. She is a very well adjusted young woman. She started working when she was 16 and still works at the same place after 3 years. I might add that she is very well rounded in all aspects of social experience. Her two younger brothers are in a Christian school, where they get a good education all the way around. If parents can afford that, why should they subject their kids to some of the stuff that goes on in schools today? The teachers have no control over their classes because they're not allowed to use any form of discipline. Kids have little or no respect for the teachers today, and I find that sad. I wouldn't want my kids in public school today either, and both of mine went to public schools...as did I. I got a wonderful education in public schools, but it's just not that way today for way too many of the kids.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Sorry but I think you are misinformed. I did mention if they are in groups along with homeschooling that I think homeschooling can work (even though as someone mentioned they get a very limited experience base from having few teachers), but see your impression of public schools is wrong. It's the parents that can't raise their kids and then send them to school and they are hard to control. Also kids should learn how to deal with distractions, they will face them in college and the workplace.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Teachers in public schools can absolutely discipline children. Just not physically like they can in Christian schools. Not all parents want their kids to literally be whipped into shape. Where do your kids interact with people of different religions? What about learning from a wide variety of teachers? Some Christian schools just have one teacher that they learn everything from, rather than sending them to different teachers specializing in each subjects. How could one person know all? That's a huge problem I have with homeschooling. Parents are not going to be good at every single subject. No matter how much they get educational materials, it doesn't replace actually knowing the subject and being able to thoroughly explain it to the children.
• India
11 Dec 06
personally I would say that homeschooling till a certain age is essential to build a basic foundation..the child needs to learn what are the basics and how and what to expect from the surroundings..but that should not delay the age in which he/she is expected to join the school..a child would learn more from external environment than from the internal one..but the support of homeschooling is really important..
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
13 Dec 06
well these days kids can start preschool at age three though.
• United States
11 Dec 06
I homeschool my daughter and have been doing so for 2 years now. She's 5 and doing 1st/2nd grade work. However, she has some issues and so she acts like she's 2. The teachers wouldn't be able to handle her in school. They don't have time and all they'd do is dumb her down and fail her in kindergarden and she'd be more than bored since she'd have to do what she already knows how to do at least twice. No thanks! I think I'll continue homeschooling her instead. This way she can continue with her love of learning and be gifted while we work on the rest of her issues. That, in a nut shell, my friend, is the reason why I homeschool.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Yeah, but do you have her in other activities where she interacts with kids her age? If not, then don't you think she'll have trouble socializing when she either eventually enters the public school system, college, or business world?
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
11 Dec 06
You could also send her to school but work with her at home in addition to her learning at school. There's nothing that says you can't teach your child if you feel like they need to learn more. If she can't pass kindergarten, should she really be moving on? Staying back isn't the end of the world. Especially at that age.
@ljmc24 (413)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I send mine to a private school. They only let 10 kids per class, so they get extra attention than if there were 20 or more. It seems to be working out really well. We about kill ourselves sometimes to pay for it though.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
my fear would be how do the kids adjust if they work in a large company in the future, not all companies or colleges for that matter will have small groups to interact with.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Some kids can learn in small classes, others can't. I personally like college courses because you often have 100 students in a room. Makes for far better discussions than classes with only 10 students. And when someone asks a question, others had that question too sometimes, even if they didn't know it. I hated being singled out in school and was thankful to have so many other students in the classes.
• United States
11 Dec 06
Both of my children go to public schools. I could never imagine homeschooling them. I live in a small town so not many prvivate school options here. I said that I wanted to homeschool my daughter and I started teaching her basic things around 3. I noticed that this would not be a long term thing because she did not look at me as her school teaher and told me to learn these things you go to school. The downfall that I see with homeschooling is that the children do not get that much social skills. I would like to think that parents enroll their children in social activities when they are homeschooled but I have seen many who dont.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
13 Dec 06
true, and like you noticed parents quite often don't know enough in every subject to homeschool their kids.
• Philippines
11 Dec 06
private education i think is still the best - if we can afford but then there are still public schools that offer good education
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
13 Dec 06
true, cost doesn't always reflect the level of quality
@tomjonz (60)
• United States
11 Dec 06
You are entitled to your opinion, however the results speak for them selves home schooled children learn more about the right way to behave and handle situations and progress faster in the real world, plus you can pass on to your children your good, wholesome values, not some values imposed on them by a so called professional teacher!
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
13 Dec 06
Umm, but what if you give them a prejudiced view which is the view you seem to have about teachers? It's not good to prejudice your kids against certain people just because of your feelings towards them. With that strong a dislike of teachers I'd be afraid you'd teach your kids other types of hate , even though you might not be aware you are doing it.
@Akeela (2078)
• Trinidad And Tobago
11 Dec 06
Private if you can then public children need to socialise it a form of growning up and indepence.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
12 Dec 06
I fear that at some private schools teachers only take the job because it pays better and they may be worse teachers than public schools have.
• United States
11 Dec 06
public education is best in my opinion, private education is expensive and the teacher are not qualified, so anyone can be hired for the job.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
12 Dec 06
Pretty broad generalization about private school teachers isn't it? How do you know they aren't qualified?
@urzicutza (1971)
• Romania
11 Dec 06
i think is a big stupid thing this home education school! why to cut you child from other children?why ? i think public shool is the best!!!
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
12 Dec 06
I wouldn't call others stupid because you disagree with them, I disagree with them as well but it doesn't mean they are stupid.
@vikranth (179)
• India
11 Dec 06
check this pic - queen
public education
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
13 Dec 06
you are obviously just responding to post a picture and abuse the system, do not do that in my discussions.
@metal333 (251)
• India
11 Dec 06
i say that public or private schools are better...its helps the children to communicate with each other and get to kno them more...it will help them to grow socially and also mentally...homeschooling wont be of any good to the child...the child cant interact with other children and get to kno about so many things...so i think public or pivate educaton is far more better than homeschooling...
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
13 Dec 06
Yeah, I think overall you are right except in extreme situations.
• United States
11 Dec 06
I went o public school. I feel children in public and private school are more well rounded then kids who do homeschooling. As a child you need that interaction. School develops your personality and also assist in who you are when you get older.
@Metallion (2227)
• United States
12 Dec 06
Yes, it may not control who you become, but you develop a lot of traits early in life.