WHY are Sunnis and Shias fighting in IRAQ

@Naseem00 (1998)
Pakistan
December 18, 2006 9:23am CST
What I do not understand here is that Shias and Sunnis have been living in Iraq for centuries and there hardly was any clash. But since our fiend The US has invaded that country these people have started 'fighting and killing each other'. What is the secret behind this? Can sombody enlighten me
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@shogunly (1406)
• Libya
10 Mar 07
In the first place ,there are types of people (political speculators) who invest in dissent in controversy , they actually prosper when other people are enemies . Such people assume roles of religious leaders in their sects . In old times ,religion was not important in political life ,because there WAS NONE ! Now that a shadow of free government appears to the people ,a need arose for creating political "rallying issues" ,or reasons why a certain group would act as a political club ,while others cannot be included , it is the power struggle ,based on the simple truth that there is not enough to go around ,there must be divisions in a mass of people so the smaller sections can vie for influence and power . Second , there are certain foreign elements that are interested in seeing a continuing need and explanation for their interference in the country ,to prove that watch how whenever the policies of those foreign governments are questioned by their own peoples , suddenly a flare up in the bloodshed in Iraq happens ,as if God wanted to show how the intervention of that foreign country was essential . Except I do not believe it is God who manipulates the scene to make it convenient for His agenda .(proof: on 2 separate occasions ,alleged " insurgents " were captured as they were planting their devices of destruction ,and when their disguises were uncovered WHOA !! They turned out to be Western soldiers disguised as Iraki insurgents !! This was reported on the news for 1 or 2 days then disappeared )
@shogunly (1406)
• Libya
10 Mar 07
In a similar more publicized event , the Iraqi police held 2 similar "agents" captive in the jail of a local police station . It was later stormed by British army and the agents were taken back by force . I wonder why . Try googling (Brits storm Iraqi police station) or variations on that theme . .I realize it might be hard for you to imagine that all this war is a manoever to benefit American corporations (which paid the Amercain leaders) ,because your world of (imagined) American values would be threatened , and hence your psychological welfare would also be shaken ,because you live in that same system . But there are many clues if you want to look objectively ,and stop leaning on the Jihad stereotype (which was efficiently and solidly and conveniently cast by the 911 events) .I believe people in USA are some of the most mindwashed people on the planet . If even the Taliban could brainwash followers into attacking tanks single-handed ,imagine what feats of deceit the mighty USA government would be able to achieve if they put all their resources to it ?
@shogunly (1406)
• Libya
10 Mar 07
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050924&articleId=992 1. Obviously the Brits came up with an explanation (they couldnt deny altogether , meaning the Iraqis were not lying ,at least about catching them disguised .) 2. Those were the only ones CAUGHT , imagine how many more would be able to go around doing there business ,enjoying the intelligence about where allied forces and Iraqi police patrols would be at anytime etc
@urbandekay (18312)
11 Mar 07
Now that is hardly likely is it? With both the American and British premiers at an all time low as a result of the protracted war in Iraq, prolongation is against their best interest and one thing you can trust politicians to do is act in their own best interest! No, the idea that the was is prolonged by US of Britain needs to be relegated, like those other bogus stories, that US never landed on the moon or 9/11 was perpetrated by the US, to the bin all the best urban
@tarsadawn (350)
• United States
9 Mar 07
The Sunni's and Shia's have ALWAYS fought and had hatred toward eac other. There are three main religious groups in Iraq. Sunni, Shia and the Kurds. The Kurds are mainly in the North of the country. Under Saddam's rule, he brutalized the people who did believe as he did. He gassed the Kurds, set up mass graves and threw their bodies into it. He had torture chambers and would violate them through it. The Sunni's were in power under Saddam's control. They were the head of the country. After the elections, everyone got to vote and decide who they wanted to run their country...whether it be Shia, Sunni or Kurd. Saddam enforced the Sunni's to battle with Shia's and Kurds. Unfortunately, they are still fighting amongst each other.
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@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
10 Mar 07
Comon, there was almost no fight among Shia and Sunni sects during the Saddam regiem. Perhaps he was a dictator, but he managed to control the people he was ruiling and let us not forget who was supportingthe dictator most of the time he ruled Iraq and particularly during the Iraq/Iran war. And talking about videos. Then we must alos look into the videos and pictures we got from Abu Gareeb. Did the Americans prove to be any better than Saddam. I really doubt that.
@urbandekay (18312)
11 Mar 07
Yes, because one faction were brutaly oppressed by the other, that's why there was no fighting then all the best urban
@urbandekay (18312)
11 Mar 07
You can always justify some wacky conspiracy theory if you try hard enough. I could even make out a case that hyper-intelligent beings devoted a huge proportion of their resources to build machinery to traverse the endless distances of space in order to kidnap some Californian air-head only to then disappear again. Yes I could create a case but it would be hokum. But their is a conspiracy perpetrated worldwide, a very serious and damaging conspiracy. It is a conspiracy to make conspiracy theories! all the best urban
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
12 Mar 07
I can only quote to you what George Orwell said back in 1984: "It does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continous, the essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labor. A hierarchal society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. The war is waged by the ruling group against its subjects, and its object is not victory, but to keep the very structure of society in tact." Dont we see that exactly what is happening today?
@urbandekay (18312)
12 Mar 07
Ha! And where do we find the most hierarchical societies where the rich live in slender and the poor in abject poverty? The Arab countries. Try and understand, things are not as you have been told by some propagandist internet site, UK and US want out of Iraq but know that there will be a blood bath and oppression if they leave now. All these conspiracy theories are childish nonsense all the best urban
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
14 Mar 07
And who is supporting such societies in your openion. Who is behind the tiny kingdoms of the Gulf? And Iraq by the way was one country where the Middle class was much stronger compared to ots neighbouring gulf ststes. Who has destroyed that middle class oriented society? Before the US kept telling its people there is a war with the Soviet Union which was called the cold war and which only existed in the US press and media mainly. Now as the Soviet Union is no more, they have MADE a new target for their people to get engaged, that is the so called Islamic Fundamentalism. I am not the one being influenced by any propagande obviosly. It is other way round to be honest.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
19 Dec 06
The Sunni minority in Iraq WAS in power with Saddam. They are now mad that they are not still in power. Word is, the Sunnis from Saudi Arabia which control most of the fundamental Sunni shrines and universities, are going to Iraq to fight against Shiite to make trouble and because they want influence in Iraq as well. Bush has nothing to do with it, he probably doesn't even know the difference between them.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
20 Dec 06
Thanks for your comments. I respect your openion
• United States
15 Jan 07
Very true that Bush or the US government may not know the difference between the Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites. However, looking for weaknesses is a specialty of imperialistic US and British governments (especially in areas where they have any interest), so they can come in and worsen situations (as they sit back and wait for the kill), often playing both sides of the game just like they did during the Iran/Iraq war - remember oliver North? And some of them, like Henry Kissinger, even have the audacity as to say out what the intents truly are: "... it is best to let them kill each other off" for "oil is too valuable a commodity to be left in the hands of Arabs."
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@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
16 Jan 07
Netsbridge, thanks for your comments. I have always admired your being neutral and having unbaised views. Yes this is a fact the US and UK are trying to find weaknesses and monopolize them. This is the main reason of the fighting among these two muslim fractions there. You were absolutely right when said they play at both sides. And talking of Henry Kissinger, It reminds me of a news, I read somewhere recently that Mr. Kissinger has been appointed as an advisor to the Pope. Keeping in mind that he is a Jew and the kind of views he has for muslims, I am afraid we are going to witness more polarity among Muslim and Christian world.
@jal1948 (1360)
• India
27 Feb 07
why put bush into the picture when two religious communities believing in the one and same god decides to fight it is the religious leaders who are fighting for supremacy
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
28 Feb 07
Thanks for your comments. That could well be your openion and I am not forcing anybody to think the way I think. What I am not able to understand is 1. These sects were present in Iraq during Saddam's time. They didnt fight then. What makes them fight now? 2. Why the US with its military presence there, not been able to stop or even reduce the fight. 3. If the US alongwith its allies is not able to bring peace to that country, how can they justify there presence there?
• United States
9 Mar 07
Why do they fight now? Do you really not understand what it was like under Saddam?
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
10 Mar 07
Thats the point exactly. Why are they fighting now. They are not fighting they are MADE to fight
• Pakistan
19 Dec 06
SUNNIS and SHIITES - Sunnis and Shiites are actually not enemies,they are muslim brothers.
Sunnis and Shiites are not fighting but they are made to fight,which is USA'a basic goal to acheive in the middle east First of all i would like to clear you "USA" is not a friend of ours! Why u dont see, every country which is tagged "TERRORIST" is a muslim country.whenever there are some technological development in any muslim country,especially in the nuclear field, USA wants to denounce it now of course i mean Iran,though N.KOREA is doing the same job but never had received so much pressure to discontinue the nuclear activities. Usa itself created TALIBANS to fight for them a PROXY WAR against SOVIETS,and when the job is over TALIBAN are now TERRORISTS....huhhhh damn!One thing more why TURKS are not allowed to join the EUROPEAN UNION, while other countries worse than Turkey are allowed to join simply bcoz they are non-Muslims... And there are so many things which we cannot discuss here as a Muslim.....i hope u got ma point!
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
19 Dec 06
I understand very well what point you are trying to make here and I do agree with it up to a certain extant. I dont think Taliban is a product of the US. Atleast if they were a product then they have difinately decided to play their own game now. I doubt about Osama Bin Laden though. Or atleast the one that we are used to see on TV is certainly made in USA. In my openion Sunnis and Shias in Iraq are made to fight to let the so called coalition have a reason to stay there. It is a fact that these fractions have found it a right time to try having control of the country, but just why cant all these forces get in control there.
• Pakistan
19 Dec 06
Oh really nice...u got ma point! Now see who knows ,may be ,the ongoing attacks on sacred shrines of muslims are carried directly by "foreign aggressors" coz it is the best way to provoke muslims against each others,sometimes they attack sunnis mosques and blame shiites,and the other time vice versa.... Tell me why any sunni or shia will attack each others shrines or mosques.....coz i think if,say for example, HAZRAT ALI(R.A) are of great importance to shiites then the same is the case for sunnis....why a sunni will do something mischievousness over there?
23 May 07
I don't think anyone really understand why this is going on, because everything we pick up, is told by our biased media, it is the same everywhere in western countries, in the middle east, we are all fed propaganda. I think they are fighting each other because of the power struggle. Neither want their nation to have a seperation between state and church like we do in the west, but both the Shia and Sunni Muslims want their government to recognise their religion as the 1st religion. This is a result of the US led invasion, but I don't think that the US government wanted this or wants to stay in Iraq, they just didn't realise this would happen. For Bush this is an embarassment because it wasn't quite a simple job, he called the mission completed, yet we are still there. The US and UK want peace in Iraq, but only for their own business interests. I don't think Turkey are denied entry to the European Union because they are a Muslim country, I think it's because they have to improve their policies on human rights first. Also, Turkey has open disputes with it's neighbouring countries, and doesn't recognise the state of Cyprus which is a current EU state.
@ESKARENA1 (18299)
18 Dec 06
In my view there has always been conflict between sunnies and shias, wasnt the Iran/Iraq war this form of conflict. What has happened in Iraq was that sadman was removed now the conflict is brought out in to the open
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
18 Dec 06
The Iran/Iraq war, yes it was. But again we see foreign influence throughout that war. The arabs supported by the West mainly US supporting Iraq and Iran being anti US fighting it as a holy war. Dont you think Shia/Sunni conflict itself has been a blessing of some foreign elements.
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• United States
9 Mar 07
A blessing. I wouldn't call fighting and murdering innocent people because of their beliefs a blessing.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
10 Mar 07
Its a blessing for the US because it gives them a reason to stay. What other reason do they tell you for their presence in Iraq.
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@kamalila (193)
• United States
6 Apr 07
Okay, I admit I'm new here. I just went through 4 months of arguments that have been going steadily downhill. I've always considered myself to be pretty open-minded. I do often question the official line of the US government, but I don't automatically denounce what is said as a lie. Same goes for any other person or group in power. Here's a thought. Say you live in a country that has a very smart, but a bit paranoid dictator in charge. So bad he will kill his own son if he deems him a possible threat. Now, in this society, if you keep your mouth shut and do what you're told, you will get the absolute necessities of life. No more, really. You're on the brink of starvation, and most can barely read (after all, those who can read can get information and can become a threat). But you get to live. If you don't, not only will the powers-that-be kill you, but they will take out your whole family. In my experience, family is VERY important to Iraqis. Now, on the other spectrum, you are an open supporter of the current system. You would turn over your own brother if it would enhance your own standing, though that would be rare, as you do love your brother, and he is really just as supportive of the current government as you are. You live pretty well. Your family all hold positions of power. Suddenly, the dictator is gone. The masses, who fall in the first group, now have the ability to strike back. Now that they can speak openly, they refuse to be held down again. Some see a way to gain power for themselves, and they feed the fears of the masses. Those who rode on the power of the dictator have now lost their status and are fighting for their own survival. Meanwhile, the surrounding countries (not all Arab, but mostly Muslim) also see the current situation as a way to gain power, and support whichever side they agree with more. Thus, the fight goes on, and gets worse. MOST of the troops that are there refuse to go to the lengths to control the populace that the dictator did. They are, in fact, sickenned by the many mass graves that have been found. They continuously try to rebuild the country, such as the water treatment facilities, only to have these facilities, which would make the citizens lives better, blown up again. Many of those same troops have made lasting friendships with the people they deal with, and care deeply about the people of the areas they work in. They don't like going uninvited into those people's homes, but they really are trying to make the place safer. They don't hate Muslims in general - only those that will do such horrible things. I'm not advocating what happenned at Abu Ghraib. That was a horrible incident and what happenned was wrong. BUT, keep in mind that what happenned there was done by a few, against a few who had already been identified as bad people. I'm not saying how the identifications had been made. I'm sure it varied. Now, you've mentioned "1984" several times. Hmmm... a work of fiction. Yes, it was a statement on the human mind and the direction that culture was going. But it WAS a work of fiction.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
6 Apr 07
A very nice way to plead for the american government. Honestly, I also like to believe in that tale but I find it getting harder for me to believe it as time passesby and I find more and more signs of the coolition being involved, officially I must say in atrocities against civilians and in promoting violance in Iraq. A very good example of that was given by somebody where British troops were caught red handed killing civilians in disguise. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050924&articleId=992 I would also like to share this video with you as you jave mentioned the US being involved in providing basics like water to the poor Iraqis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_vxIOB-I And please dont forget how many girls and women have been raped by those 'brave' soldiers. As I am sure you are well aware of the damaged infrastructure and the worsening living conditions in that country, only a part of that news makes its way to the press.
@kamalila (193)
• United States
6 Apr 07
Sadly, every society has bad people who prey on those that just want to live their lives and raise their children. The US has its share, as does the British, and the Middle Eastern countries too. Ooooh.. a movie! Amazing what film magic can do, isn't it? Maybe true, maybe not. Tell you what. If you really want to know what's going on there, why don't you go and see for yourself.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
7 Apr 07
Yes a movie. Iknowhow it can be used to twist facts. I just hope this one is also not showing the true picture of the events actually taking place in Iraq. At the same time I feel terribally sorry for those children if this is a true picture of the events. I missed that one I guess, you said "...Now, you've mentioned "1984" several times. Hmmm... a work of fiction. Yes, it was a statement on the human mind and the direction that culture was going. But it WAS a work of fiction. " What exactly you meant by work of fiction.
@Lindalinda (4112)
• Canada
7 Mar 07
You ask why the fighting between Shia and Sunni has started after the US invaded their country. The answer is very simple. Saddam Hussain was a Sunni.Sunnis are a minority in Iraq. Under his cruel dictatorship Sunnis even though in the minority, ruled the country and oppressed the Shia and the Kurds. Now he is gone and the Shia are the majority and want to rule the country. Iraq has not had a democratic state so people don't want the democratic system and for that kill each other off. No one can say that this daily killing benefits the US. They are loosing lives in this war that they should not have started. I think they should leave and let the civil war between the warring paries run its course.
• Canada
7 Mar 07
Sorry for the typo. It should read warring parties.
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
8 Mar 07
Thanks for your response Lindalinda, I agree with your saying that the US/Iraq war should not have started and that the people in Iraq do not want the western type of democracy. I also think the US should leave immediately and let the people of that land decide their fate.
• United States
9 Mar 07
Yes, maybe the USA should leave immediately and let the people decide their fate. But if and when this happens, do not blame the USA and coalitions for leaving them in a vulnerable state.
• Pakistan
18 Dec 06
Aoa the thing is that islam inhibits muslims to engage in bloody fights etc the ppl that are fighting dun know the true image of the islam and are fighting with each other that should be stopped coz these ppl are in shallow water of knowledge about ISLAM
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
19 Dec 06
And how and who is going to show them the true image of Islam in your openion.
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• Pakistan
16 Jan 07
the true image of islam isnot difficult to find if one strives for it but its the thing that one should observe Islam closely and kenly its the religion of peace and tranquility not sectism,and fighting
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
17 Jan 07
Why would one take the burden to observe itkeenly and closely as you have said. The easier way is to get an openion from the media. Who cares if its baised. Secondly, it verifies the suspections that one already has in mind. This is the problem. The only way inmy openion is the WE the muslims are supposed to project it the way it really is. The quality our religion has asked us to posses, we must posses them, practice it the way it is meant to be practiced. Only then we can build a society that could be called a muslim society. Once this system starts to work, the blessings thich are promissed by Allah (swt) will be visible to the world without taking any sort of pain. This will automatically attract others towards the religion of peace. I hope you got my point
@urbandekay (18312)
15 Mar 07
Apparently, US and UK did not invade Iraq, the invasion was a clever plot, carried out as an Iranian/Syrian/etc. coalition cunningly disguised as UK/US forces, to discredit UK/US and promote Muslim extremists to commit acts of murder all the best urban
@Naseem00 (1998)
• Pakistan
15 Mar 07
?&%@$#%... wishful thinking!!
@urbandekay (18312)
15 Mar 07
Doh!
• Pakistan
5 Apr 07
Its just like the muslims and hindus living altogether in Iniad peacefully until the Britishers entered india.We can easily understand the situation but only if we want to.
• New Zealand
16 Apr 07
Peacefully living together. You must high on Madrasa-juice. If that is the extent of the brainwash, it is indeed amazing. Aurangzeb was particularly vicious and by the time Bahadur Shah took over the "empire" had imploded. Lol!
@salam1 (1475)
• Malaysia
12 Apr 07
Some men and some women fight. muslims fight, christians fight, and jews fight. their religion asked them to do good but they fight too. these fighters color our world, they are some of us, even though we hate the bad things that they do. if there are no bad things then what are good things? God doesnt create bad things for nothing, there must be a secret that He hides. People who know God love Him, who dont know Him talk nonsense.
@flowerchilde (12547)
• United States
6 Apr 07
Saddam's party was the Sunni's, tho he did practice it for the most part secularly.. but then there were the mass graves and the torture and rape rooms. The jihadi terrorists are the ones stirring up troubles between the two parties or sects now. They began this with the bombing of the prominant Mosque a few months back, remember? :))
@urbandekay (18312)
11 Mar 07
If you people seriously think that US and UK are promoting violence in Iraq, and you are not just being tendentious, then you are seriously deluded. If the UK press found out about this, and they would were it true, they would splash it all over the front pages of every newspaper, TV news and radio programme from here to Timbuktu. That is a consequence of having a powerful free press. A press that in many real ways is more powerful than government. all the best urban
@ILANEDRI (1922)
• Israel
10 Mar 07
First of all, the war between Sunnis and Shias began long time before the US got involved into it. The fight is about who is the better religion, and this war is going on for years.