Rant on non-smokers

@emeraldisle (13145)
United States
January 1, 2007 3:04pm CST
Ok this is a rant for me but it is something that has really been irritating me lately and I'm sure I'm going to hear from some how horrible I am for posting it. Why is it that when a discussion or even a conversation is going on about smoking non-smokers feel they have the right to come in and lecture/preach at us? I'm not talking about when discussing smoking laws but when we are discussing things like cigarette brands, how much do you smoke, why do you smoke, and other conversations of this nature. I went to reply to one conversation about smoking and what do you enjoy about it and saw tons of responses from non-smokers and reformed smokers who had to go off on a tangent about the horrible things smoking does. This has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. If I started a discussion about do you enjoy going to church it wouldn't be acceptable for atheists to post about how foolish or silly that is, so why do non-smokers and reformed smokers feel they have the right to do so?
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@misskatonic (3727)
• United States
1 Jan 07
I *hate* that. As though we aren't aware of the risks of smoking or something. We know! We do it anyway! We all have our reasons, and if we wanted to quit, we'd quit. It's as simple as that. It's preaching, essentially. Don't like smoking, fine. But don't rant and rave at us about it. Did you see the South Park episode about anti-smokers? It was hilarious. And was a very nice play on how anti-smokers exaggerate and fabricate statistics.
@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
1 Jan 07
No I haven't seen that episode but it sounds very good. I'm not a south park fan but that one sounds like it was worth watching. I could understand it if the discussion is on smoking laws, why should I quit, how do I quit, the dangers of smoking, things like that. When I'm posting something about why I enjoy it, what brands, etc I don't want to be lectured at for what I enjoy.
@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
1 Jan 07
It sounds very good. I might have to try and catch it. I know what you mean. I smoke in my house or in my yard. Yes I smoke in my car and I might smoke out in public but it's outside in areas deemed for it. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. It does amaze me some of the statistics that they have come up with for smoking and how much they blame on second-hand smoke. A lot of it I don't agree on. I know from class work that you can make statistics say whatever you want. The fact that most of the people they did the "studies" on were exposed to many cancer causing agents over the years never went into the factors. They wanted it to be because of smoking and that was the results they found.
@Pigglies (9339)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Oh I think I did see that one! South Park always seems to do such a great job at making fun of issues and showing people how stupid they can sound.
@carolynpb (647)
• United States
2 Jan 07
I'm a non-smoker and am only posting because you are "ranting" on non-smokers. I haven't posted in any discussion to do with smoking. My take is as long as your smoking doesn't interefer with the air that I'm breathing I don't care one way or the other about you smoking.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
I agree it's not all non-smokers but there are some who do it. However, just this evening I went to post on one that was just about the age limit for smoking and someone posted how you shouldn't smoke. That wasn't the question it was just about the age limit and if it detered smoking or not. I'm glad that you agree that as long as we aren't in each others face there is no reason to go off on a person and lecture them. Thank you for making an exception and posting to this one.
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@glasser3 (354)
• Hibbing, Minnesota
7 Jan 07
I agree i hate when people who are non smokers try to act like they know everything and i am just a stupid smoker i wish they would just stop and see that we are all the same regardless if we decide to smoke or not it is our choice. and we all know the risks or should at least so its our choice.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
7 Jan 07
Exactly it's our choice. They don't need to come up to us, they don't need to get in our faces. I was reading one thing in here about smoking laws and a non-smoker was complaining because she went into a smoking section and someone lit up beside her. She was all upset by that. Don't go in the smoking area then. You know? I wouldn't go into a pet store and then complain about how the pet dander made it so I couldn't breathe. Why go into a smoking section and then complain?
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• United States
2 Jan 07
Actually i am recently retired smoker...Damn, i hope i said that right, LMAO!!!! I quit smoking on Aug 31st 2006. I will not preach about hoe bad smoking is, because all smokers know how bad it is and they will continue to smoke. But i do feel it is wrong for non smokers to at that way towards smokers. But if i preach anything about not smoking is, that Second hand smoke is MORE DEADLY then 1st hand smoke. Thats all i have to say, and i have no problem with smokers, all my friends are smokers, eh just sometimes the smell bothers me, but normally i just walk away for a bit
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
It sounds like it :) To me reformed smokers are like born again Christians. They get into your face and want to convert you. My dad is like that. Good luck with quiting.
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@jewel76 (2305)
• Canada
2 Jan 07
Respect us! - Respect us!
I don't know why non-smokers bother us all the time. I am a smoker, and yes i know it's not good and blah blah blah, but it is my body and my life! When i am ready, i will quit, for me, not for anyone else. And unlike some smokers that i know, i am respectful of non-smokers, eg: in my own home, i will go outside if i have non-smoking friends over..in my own house! So don't come tell me that smokers don't respect the non-smokers. It's not all of them, and the same goes for the other side, some non-smokers don't respect the smokers...like the ones who post in a smoking discussion. Also, if they post and their post has nothing to do with the subject at hand, they should be reported as abuse...they only want to make money. Happy New Year all!!
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
I don't know why they do either. I admit it's not all non-smokers but it sure seems like it at times. I also agree some smokers are not respectful but all that I know are. I go over to my brother's house and even if he says I can smoke in the house I don't (he quit several years ago) and that is just one example. I think you are right if they post like that we should report them. When it is something not on the topic it should be reported. I wouldn't dream of going into a discussion about why I don't smoke and post things about why I do. I might look at the postings but I wouldn't post in there.
@gabs8513 (48714)
• United Kingdom
9 Jan 07
I totally agree with you there as it annoys me to Today I have decided I am stopping but not because of the Non Smokers that go on at us but because I am forced to but I will always support the Smokers no matter what
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@Mommamea (1215)
• United States
2 Jan 07
So smoking is bad for you. We know that so why keep telling us that smoke not to. Drinking is bad for you and causes alot more deaths and in alot more ways than smoking. I haven't seen a ban on drinking. I don't see there being a ban on junk foods that cause a person to become fat. If I want to do something I like then I'm going to do it and enjoy every minute of it. If you don't like it then go somewhere else. I have a right to do what I want to do just as everyone else does. Why do people take risks when they know what the outcome could be? There are far to many critisizing what others are doing. You are right in voicing your opinion on how a discussion should be conducted. Stick to the point without critisizism. We are grown adults and know right from wrong. If I want to do something that is my God given choice. Thanks for helping others to stop and think before you respond to a discussion.
• Canada
2 Jan 07
I beg to differ on the "reformed smoker" comment. I am an EX-smoker with lung problems as a result of smoking. When I smoked, I developed asthma and a few other conditions that would have killed me. However, I do NOT preach about that, in fact this is the first time I've ever mentioned my smoking issue. You smokers have every right to smoke. Some of you will die from cancer, but others will be lucky to live a long life and die of natural causes. It all depends on how your body handles it. Just ignore what non smokers say about you. You don't have to listen to them. It's your choice to do what you want. If smoking hadn't caused the problems it did with me, I'd still be a smoker today. If you continue to let what they say bother you, it's only going to make things worse and you'll feel worse. You live your life the way you want and don't listen to those who try to preach at you. If you want to smoke, go ahead, just not in my home, that's my only request.
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• Canada
2 Jan 07
Oops. I guess I didn't fully understand what reformed meant. I guess it happens. I understand where you're coming from, getting fustrated at some "lectures" people give. And that's the reason why I don't give lectures to anyone. But you don't know how many times I've wanted to lecture people about it, but I hold my tongue. It's just common sense to me: No one wants to hear it, so there's no point in saying it. The best thing you can do is just stay out of the conversations that bother you, then you won't have to worry about those who lecture or see the things you don't want to see.
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• United States
1 Jan 07
I stopped smoking sometime ago, but I don't go around preaching to others that they need to quit. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want to their own bodies. If a person wants to smoke it is no one's business. Some may have good intentions, but it's like preaching to a deaf person, people will do what they want, when they want, and no one has the right to tell a person otherwise.
@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
1 Jan 07
There are some ex-smokers that don't preach I agree. There is a difference between ex-smokers and reformed smokers :) My father is a reformed smoker. He wants everyone else to stop and preachs at people. I agree what consenting adults do should be left to them. When we are discussing it as to what brands we smoke I don't need to here from someone else why I should quit. I wouldn't go up to someone who is dicussing champagne and start lecturing them on how dangerous it is to drink. It's their right to drink if they want to no matter what I might think on the subject.
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• United States
1 Jan 07
I agree with that. Many think it's that smokers are being ignorant of the consequences of smoking, but really most do know what the consequences are, they have just decided to continue with it anyways, so those "reformed" smokers just need to shut their yammering skull caves and let people live their lives how they want to and keep the topic to what it was originally.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
1 Jan 07
We know what they say on it, whether we agree with it or not we know what is said. We've been told numerous times after all. The more you rant at us the more we are going to get our backs up about it. I know usually that's when I go and have a smoke because I'm irritated by them.
@gabs8513 (48714)
• United Kingdom
26 Feb 07
Well I do not know how I missed this one Emerald, but I will put my bit in and say well said, as that does happen a lot on here. I was even called a fool by a Member in my Smoking Discussion. There seem to be Members that think they have to condem us but no doubt they have a bad habit but of course they won't come clean on it. Well said even though I am 2 months late on this.
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@gabs8513 (48714)
• United Kingdom
26 Feb 07
Ok Blondie at work again I did not miss this one oh my I don't know never mind you have 2 responses of me now.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
26 Feb 07
Well I don't mind having two from you. You are right everyone has a habit of some sort just most don't want to realize it. Some habits are better then others but that doesn't give anyone the right to judge another for what they do. So still glad you posted even if it was twice :)
@badkat83 (1621)
• United States
28 Feb 07
you tell them. i am a smoker and have been trying to quit, but i would never condem someone for doing it. it is getting so you can't do anything anymore. don't get me started. : )
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
1 Mar 07
OH feel free to rant, I do at times especially when it's about how people interfer in others lives. It amazes me how they condemn others when they have their own problems. That's what irritates me the most. I would never condemn them for their vices, flaws, what have you but they feel the right to for others especially smokers.
@lecanis (16664)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Feb 07
Now, emerald, you know smoking is bad for (blah) (blah) (blah)... =p That would be awfully annoying. I don't smoke currently personally because of my particular health problem, but I can't imagine me doing this. How rude! Unless something was an obvious debate topic, I would never go there and do this! Some people's children!
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
26 Feb 07
Hehe yeah some do not seem to have learned any manners. I would never dream of going into a discussion on anything and putting in a lecture on not doing it when it's not being debated, but some sure seem to feel it's their God Given Right to. Oh well I guess we have to deal with them.
• United States
25 Feb 07
I am a non-smoker and I never do that because first of all it is not my place. Secondly if the discussion was for smokers and asking the different brands they prefer and the other things you brought up to smokers than non-smokers should stay out of the discussion. I know nothing about any of that and I believe in live and let live.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
26 Feb 07
Yeah when I wrote up this I was pretty ticked. I'd seen that happen in a few discussions and I'd had it in life where I'm in a smoking area to have someone come over and lecture at me, just had enough. It's good to know that many aren't like that. I've seen that due to this post. It's great to hear from non-smokers who find it as offensive as I do for some to butt in where they don't belong. Thanks.
• United States
2 Jan 07
I have no idea why they feel the need to lecture you, but I'm sure (at least) the reformed smokers are mostly trying to do so as a favor to you. Unfortunately, most of the time, even well-intended comments come off as being rude. Personally, I don't smoke, I used to but only socially (while drinking), so I wouldn't consider myself reformed. And I didn't quit because I believed I was at any health risk, I just quit mostly because I didn't feel like doing it any longer, but also because I stopped drinking so often and didn't have many friends that smoked around me. The problem with coming down on others is that we all have vices and most of them are deadly. Overeating, for example. Many people that complain about smokers are significantly overweight because they choose to over-indulge when eating. What they don't realize is that obesity can kill. And it certainly has health ramifications that are just as significant as the ones that smokers face. I think the lesson people should learn is that unless you are perfect, you shouldn't really try to reform others until they know that you are doing so out of the kindness of your heart, or out of care for them. Otherwise, you will only sound condescending and the person you are trying to change likely won't listen. That's my two cent (or maybe four cent).
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
I think that was worth five cents :) Exactly no one is perfect, we all have our faults. I don't go lecturing others about what they do that I don't like, I just ask for the same respect.
@emarie (5451)
• United States
2 Jan 07
i mean, i am a non smoker, but that is disrespectful to comment or reply in a topic like that. i normally stick to debates about smoking and smoking laws. some people are just a little over zelous and go a little too far. it works on both sides. one example i can give is i run a group on myspace for people who WANT to quit smoking. its like an online support group. and every few months i have some moron comming in saying smoking is great and you shouldn't quit and making random statments like that. that is just one example of how people can be rude. i don't go into a I LOVE SMOKING group and saying don't smoke. i have more respect then that.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Thank you for that respect. I'm sorry you get an idiot like that though in your group. If people want to quit they should have that right and if others don't want to they have that right too. None of us should be lectured to or preached at by strangers. I don't care what the subject matter at hand is, doing so doesn't do any good, online or offline. We should all learn to respect each others choices and rights not to mention their space.
@Marie2473 (8519)
• Sweden
2 Jan 07
I am a smoker - or actually I WAS a smoker - I quit over a month ago, but I would never look down on someone that smoeks, or chooses to not quit. i made that decision for ME and it is up to all others to decide for themselves. i would never go into a discussion discussing what smoking does to you, coz I do not think that there is ONE smoker in the world who doesn´t know deep down that it´s bad for you =)
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Good luck on quiting. I know that it isn't always easy. You are right, we have all heard the risks and what it might do it us, we don't need people lecturing to us like we are two year olds. The discussions or conversations in real life where the dangers/risks, or laws are being discussed I can understand if they contributed there it's when it's not about that when I get upset.
@mfrancq (1808)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Yes! Someone finally said it! I hate this. It is like they feel that smoking is the only thing that is harming the world, our children, our body...blah blah blah. I mean, do they drive a car? Well then they are polluting too. So be quiet, I don't want to hear it unless you are completely perfect yourself! So, out with the hairspray, the cars, etc. then maybe I might listen! hehe ;)
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• United States
2 Jan 07
I understand how annoying that is - as there are people that do that on every discussion.. I personally don't smoke - but I really don't care if you do. What you do with your life and your body is not any of my business. And I am far from being perfect, so who am I to tell you that something you are doing is bad? I don't care that you smoke as long as you don't blow it in my face.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Exactly I'm not perfect, wouldn't want to be. I do try to be polite about smoking and making sure I don't blow it at people, even other smokers. It just gets me when it happens out in public or in a discussion when the subject doesn't have to do with getting rid of smoking or it's risk factors. All of a sudden some people feel they have the right to lecture complete strangers about things and not just smoking.
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@deedles88 (297)
• Australia
2 Jan 07
Im a non-smoker, and i honestly dont care what people do to themselves. If you want to smoke, believe in god, anything like that then more power to you! Some people like to come in on their high horses and preech about things that are considered 'bad'. They feel alot better for doing it, and they can look down on you, like they do with most other people. At the end of the day, its your choice to smoke, and to do whatever else you wish!
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Well thank you. I don't have a problem with all non-smokers and I really did mean to put in there some and not lump everyone together. It's just a few that seem to be ever present and jump into discussions both on here and in real life that have no bearing on their lecturing. That is one reason I posted that this was a rant, my way of getting my feelings out on it and perhaps seeing if I was the only one who felt that way.
@beckyomg1 (6758)
• United States
1 Jan 07
i smoke too, and yes if it is not in regards to the topic there really shouldnt be rants about smoking, like you said if asked what brand or somthing like that it should be a place for someone to tell us not to smoke.
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@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
1 Jan 07
Exactly. When it's in discussions about smoking laws or why should I quit then I can understand it. It's when it's in other areas where it's really an off topic to the original discussion that I find it irritating.