U.S. Military At It's Breaking Point. Considers Foreign Recruits.

United States
January 1, 2007 6:16pm CST
The U.S. Military is struggling to meet it's recruiting goals and is now considering recruiting immagrants and giving them a fast tract to U.S. citizenship. This is what I don't understand. During the last election, President Bush received over 54 million votes. The majority of those who voted for President Bush supported the Iraq war. If only a half of 1% of the 54 million who supported President Bush would sign up for duty we would have an additional 270,000 more troops. I can understand those opposed to the war not signing up, but those who think we should continue our presence in Iraq and those who want to increase troop strength should sign up for duty. It seems to me that there are lot of people who want others to fight the war for them even though they want the war to continue. My question is what do you think about the U.S. recruiting immigrants to join the military and what do you think about those who support the war, but don't want to sign up for duty? Lloyd
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@JC1969 (1226)
• United States
2 Jan 07
There is already a percentage of immigrants that serve in the United States military, and it already fast tracks them for their U.S citizenship. It is also common knowledge that recruiting centers are more often located in cities where poverty is high and unemployment is high. In other words, recruiters are already actively pursuing new recruits that have a good chance of also being immigrants to the U.S., not that all immigrants in our country are living underwaged situations. I do find it ironic that many of those that support the war in Iraq would never consider enlisting, and would also not encourage their children to enlist. I also find it humorous that many, who subscribe to the Republican mantra believe that there are no democrats that serve in our military. There are--it's a pretty equalling amount as well. The recruitment system for our military is definitely 'class driven'. They dangle bonuses at those who come from little, it's very enticing. The bigger problem I see in today's military recruiting system is they are indeed taking in alot more young troops who have the 'punk' mentality. It follows them through basic training and on to their next duty base, and because that attitude doesn't get broken, they make up a big percentage of the troops who are also getting kicked out of the military even before their first tours are up. They need to be more selective, I personally do not feel comfortable knowing my husband has to get deployed with some little 'punk' who uses the military like a welfare check and has no real desire to be there. It's very disheartening to know that there is a percentage of these types of troops serving in our military and taking it for granted.
• United States
3 Jan 07
Former President Jimmy Carter, former Vice President Al Gore and Congressman Murtha, 3 of the right wing pro-Bush targtets have all served in the Military. Not one of the so-called architects of the Iraq war have ever served inclusing Cheney, Rich, Pearl and Wolfowitch. And George Bush's stint in the Reserves has been very questionable. They talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk.
@JC1969 (1226)
• United States
4 Jan 07
I know what you mean. I feel my husband's present commander in chief has greatly abused his rights and powers to utilize our military, our troops. Yet still, there is very little pushing to hold this president accountable for his poorly chosen actions.
@gifana (4838)
• Portugal
2 Jan 07
This is nothing new. I remember during the Vietnam War the US Govt gave a choice to foreign students living in the US to either sign up or return home. A close friend of mine in Colombia had a brother studying in the states and he chose to sign up. He went to Vietnam after training and was killed in action. Needless to say his brother in Colombia was rather upset about it and cursed all Americans...that is until he met me...hehehehehe. I had another British friend here in Portugal who joined the Air Force to make it easier for him to become a US citizen. However, I don't think the US can force any foreigner to join the military services....they can only give them a choice. join and stay or return to their homeland. I still think that if the US needs men/women in the military they should look to the jails and prisons and send those with misdemeanor sentences to boot camp instead of keeping them in conditions that could very well turn them into harder criminals. In the military they would learn to get along, learn to have respect, learn a skill if they don't already have it, get paid minimal wages, and have free room and board to boot. I can't understand why someone in Congress hasn't thought about that....even if it wasn't necessary to build up the ranks.
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• United States
2 Jan 07
gifana did say those convicted of misdemeanors... so that porobably wouldn't include convicted murderers.
@Lakota12 (42684)
• United States
2 Jan 07
there was a movie where they did that called "the dirty dozen " a croup of convicts put in a special squad to do dirty work that the regular service men couldnt do all secret y aknow worked in the movie maybe congress should look at it
• United States
2 Jan 07
Well, if you look back in history, they used to give criminals a choice prison or the army, so why not now? send all the prisoners and the street gangs over to iraq, and turn them lose, the street gangs are already used to urban warfare, it will drop our crime rate, and boost the number of troops over there.
@kyng386 (67)
• Estonia
2 Jan 07
When you said, that it seams to you that there are lot of people who want other to fight the war for them,you were 100% right. Suporting a war is not exatly the same as to want fight in a war. And recruiting immigrants is no nwe invention. France has recruited foregins in the infameos French Foregin Legion. After serving five years you have the right for Franch citizenship. Spain uses a similar system, although it's not as well known as French foregin legion. And by the way: french used to recruit everyone that were willing to serv and didn't ask questions about the past. So even criminals were able to join the ranks.
• Zambia
2 Jan 07
And that is the sad part of it; in the end you have a country full of thugs, because of a selfish and misguided objective.
@sharone74 (4839)
• United States
2 Jan 07
I think that if they support the war but will not go to feed the war machine or send their family members off to fight then they are cowards who do not stand the courage of their convictions. As for the immigrant thing I think that is just wrong! Now they have to risk their lives again just to get that little green card, I think that that is unfair.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Why don't those opposed to the war go fight against the US? It doesn't work like that.
• Zambia
2 Jan 07
Or even fight for their country! lol
• United States
2 Jan 07
MRNiceGuy--yeah we know it doesn't work like that, but maybe it should. You're always filled with some rightwing rhetoric. Why don't you and all your boys and your women as well, go and enlist?
• United States
2 Jan 07
Nickventure-- I fight for my country if the need arises. I don't fight for a corrupt president and his oil interests. You assume then that those who don't support blind loyalty to Fuhrer Bush are un-American? I suppose you support all the things that happen at Abu Ghraib? I suppose you don't care that Bush tried to take the right of Habeus Corpus away from his own country?
• United States
2 Jan 07
I don't mind, to be honest. I'm on the fence as far as the war, but if poor Mexican immigrants want to be legal, they should fight for the country. And if someone fights for my country, they are as much of a citizen as anyone regardless of where they were born, so far as I'm concerned.
• Netherlands
17 Feb 07
I would have to agree. If some of the illegals were to up and volunteer for service then they should be considered citizens.
• United States
17 Feb 07
I agree that would only be fair, but do you think it would encourage more illegal immigration?
• United States
2 Jan 07
My Grandfather gained his citizenship with the aid of his military service in the US, my cousin also went the same route. This is hardly new. As for the voters volunteering, a large percentage of those 54 million voters are past the age of even being allowed to enter into military service, a goodly number of them have already served, and a percentage is unable to meet the physical requirements for service. Those who support a war and are fit to serve and refuse to are those who believe their lives and opinions outweight the lives and opinions of others.
• United States
2 Jan 07
So are you saying of the 54 million voters who supported this war, we can't find enough people who are fit to join the military so that they can meet their recruiting goals. That's why I originally stated that if only one half of 1% signed up, that would provide us with 270,000 new soldiers. Enough to more than meet our goals. I wonder where they are.
• United States
2 Jan 07
OR maybe they are sitting here reading your post with their toddler on their lap, remembering the time when they wanted to sign up but couldn't. Fortunately, my husband does serve. If only half of those who drove cars worked at a plant, we wouldn't have to send jobs abroad either, but wait not everyone is suited to doing that. Not everyone is suited to military life. It is a difficult life, and takes a lot of committment. I praise each person who gives of him or herself to take it on, but would never belittle those who chose not to. You people are the problem with this country, not those of us who agree with the war, but are unable to serve.
• United States
20 Jan 07
Wow where are you getting your information!!!!! If you're not a citizen, you can not join, PERIOD.
• United States
20 Jan 07
My information is verified. My question is this. If so many people support this war, why do we even have to go abroad to recruit people to fight it for us? The supporters of this war should be signing up for it. Don't beat your chest and then hide when it comes to to serve. Lloyd
• Pakistan
2 Jan 07
so now you want the war in Iraq to be continued ?????? we have some great ppl here on Mylot..!
• United States
2 Jan 07
Who are you talking about? I know of no one who wants this war to continue. Everything we said would happen has happened. Iran is more influential. Hezbolla is more powerfull. South Korea has it bombs. This cowbow screwed everythin up.
• United States
2 Jan 07
Where have you read that? I haven't seen anything like that. But you are right about one thing. People would rather have someone else fight the war for them. My husband was in Iraq for a year. So, I am against the war in general. I think if they really needed people, they'd start the draft again wouldn't they?
• United States
2 Jan 07
There is a lot of people who talk tough about fighting wars, but they or their family don't serve. I think that we should bring back the draft. That way we wouldn't go to war unless it was in our best interest. This war was orchestrated because some people in the Bush administration thought they could bring democracy to the Middle East. Until the Isreali/Palestinian issue is solved, there will not be peace.
@classy56 (2883)
• United States
2 Jan 07
i think majority of ppl who voted for bush are elderly or midlife ppl.so they are to old to fight.i beleive alot of immigrant would sign up if they could bring there whole family to the u.s to get them legal citizenship.but it should be up to them not bush.I hate this war an what its doing to our countries.
• United States
3 Jan 07
We have a lot of conservative radio talk shows hear in the USA. Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly all claim to have around 10 millions listeners. The majority of the listeners are male. These talk show host support President Bush and the war in Iraq. There must be at least 100,000 out of 10 million willing to serve their country. We should never have a problem meeting our recruiting goals.
@nickventere (1424)
• Zambia
2 Jan 07
Supporting the war and not signing up for duty is all hypocritical American patriotism, as ever! It is just mere propaganda. Again, it is a shame for the so-called immigrants who have rushed to get US citizenship by paying a price to be at the battlefront. I have heard that many of them are Nigerians from Africa. Sad that some of them don't even get to "enjoy" their US citizenship as they end up being killed pawns of the US chess board!
2 Jan 07
Though they will be well trained at least.
@ilvrshn (463)
• United States
4 Jan 07
Yeah, that is funny. I was not one of the ones that voted for Bush. As a matter of fact the year he got elected I was debating to go back in or not. If Kerry was elected I would been in the military today, but I decide to stay out because of BUSH.
• Pakistan
2 Jan 07
yes american n alied forces r going to break not only in iraq in afghanistan also
@usman400 (1588)
• Pakistan
2 Jan 07
They are doing it since many years infact its all about making a force that is universal technically and all "lly". But again it will go against US so they should rely on the voice of common ppl all around the world, instead of inviting them to join army
@vhmehta (621)
• United States
2 Jan 07
Very good discussion. I was myself an immigrant in this country but now I am on my path to citizenship.. No I did not join US armey to become one but I do know that US army recruited immigrants and in return gave them express path to citizenship. I am always opposed to having anyone other than citizens in any countries army. Many people in US supported Bush! Actually they reelected Bush.. I would like to call upon the people of Republic states to come ahead and fight the war. Even President's daughter are not in army and so it is much easier for president to say that we need to fight. I feel in US the politicians and there supporters want to fight a war with others help. They do not want to go to the battlefield!! This is unacceptable.
@hiitssomu (657)
• United States
2 Jan 07
that's a good idea. us military will outsource the army in near future ? :-)
@Languish (137)
2 Jan 07
I think it is a good idea... something like the french foreign legion for the US would be an excellent idea and would see a huge amount of applicants. It could only benefit the US in my opinion.
@forfein (2509)
2 Jan 07
Hi The problems with having an "All Volunteer Army" is getting the people to "Enlist" When we Brits decided to go this way back in the late '50s there were lots of people who said it would not work! I "Enlisted" in '71 when we had the IRA to deal with! I did three tours in Ireland, and it tends to "Harden" your resolve against Terrorism! The Iraq war is not a "Popular" war in the US, it is not a "Poplular" war here in the UK either! The reason is because the politicians did not tell us the whole truth about WHY we decided to invade Iraq! Soldiers will "do their duty" because that is why they are in the Army! Being Policemen is not why they enlist! There wasnt any problem when the Allies first went into Iraq! We KNEW that the War would be won! You cannot fight the US or the UK or any of its NATO Allies and hope to win! Our technology now is too good!! A soldier who is in the Army because he WANTS to be in the army is FAR Superior to any Conscript army! We Brits proved that in the Falklands Campaign!! When the Argentine Army invaded the Falkland Islands there were 32 Royal Marine Commando's to defend the Islands! There were over 30,000 Argentina forces! The Brits knocked out two of their ships, took out lots of landing craft, and gave the invading army a bloody nose!! When the Task Force was then sent south, we KNEW it was going to succeed! Conscript armies dont succeed!
2 Jan 07
It’s a time-age tail. You have it all the time from the younger generation, boasting of themselves that the Army wouldn’t be anything, though if they had to sign up most of themselves would be in the toilet, hiding and relieving themselves.