Daughter and father relation

@milagre (1272)
Portugal
January 8, 2007 7:56am CST
My 15 years old daughter came home from being with her father (my ex-), telling me she doesnt want to go with him anymore or at least to talk to him to go just every other saturday. The agreement is to one day per weekend. His not an easy person, but being 15 i think it should be her talking and explain him why she doesnt want to go. Apearently, she doesnt like my ex's partner, she heard her saying she had enough form my daughter (and she's not such bad girl, she has a teen behavior and that's all. She didnt rise her son, so i guess she's not prepared for kids). sometimes he (her father) say unpleasant things like during her birthday in front of other people he said she had grown, but just in body, not her hair because something was missing in her head! I dont like to talk with him, and in the other hand if she starts refusing on going he might think is me who's telling her things and making her mind. How can i deal with this? any sugestions ppls?
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41 responses
• Philippines
8 Jan 07
it would be better that your daughter tell her father directly. teens are known to be being frank and open. let you daughter express her feelings to her father. it would be better for her
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
She cant open herself to someone that is always criticizing, that's one of the problems also. But i think she should face him. Thanxs
@Bev1986 (1425)
• United States
8 Jan 07
That is a very hard one.... I have a 17 year old niece that went through something similar. My SIL does her best to never talk badly about her ex in front of the kids, but the guy is an absolute jerk and the niece figured that out when she was around 15. She started coming up with one excuse after another not to go to her dads for the weekend. My 13 yo nephew on the other hand, knows his dad has problems, but he's daddy's boy and still wants to spend weekends with him. But when he comes home from there, he always has behavior problems and it's a mess.... I would suggest you try to talk with your ex about why she doesn't want to see him.... I know she's 15, but maybe you could both go together to talk to him. Good luck.
@Pixell (192)
• United States
9 Jan 07
This is not pleasant to bring up but in the situation with the 13 year old girl not wanting to see dad and with the 17 year old who has problems with her dad as well as the brother having problems after seeing the dad........... i would incourage you moms and aunts to find a way to be sure there is not any abuse of any kind going on in the house of the father. childeren do not tell on parents to ex spouces of parents easily. being determined not to go back and not having a reason why that is not vague to me seems a warning worth heading. It may not be abuse at all but it seems to me that if there is a problem big enough to stop a child from wanting to spend any time with a parent after divorce........ everything should be concidered until you find out exactly what is going on. new partners and unkind words can be enough to make some kids want to stay away... but I would do some serious checking into the situation. Ask yourself how the father treated you or his wife when they were still together. The only grown up in body remark scares the heck out of me.. That seems like a warning flag to me. I am not saying for sure this is the situation but some comments by a father who is not close to his girl do not seem common lovingly stated. or even common words for a joke. sorry for this comment but sitting here and not sending this question to ask yourself............ well I need to face the person I see in the mirror... So being nice doesn;tmalways mean being qwuiet. I hope I am 100% out to lunch heere.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
Its a question of behavior and bad moods and bad attitudes. Maybe they are both in a difficult age, but i think he should be more understandable with her and also not saying bad things about her, specially in front of others. Sometimes he also promess her to take her some place she wants and after, he changes his mind. There's a lot of complaints and something has to be done. Thanks for you help
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
yeah, maybe its better. I will talk better with her to understand her better also and give a word to her father :(. txs
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
9 Jan 07
As you say she is 15 and has a right to say now if she wants to see him or not but I do think she needs to tell him why she dont and if you have a speaker phone you can both talk at the same time to him if he gets abusive ya can always hang up but that wont solve the problem. With a speaker phone or you being by her when she talks to him woould be suportive to her and she can hand you the phone at some point hope this helps some
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
Maybe its better to tell him by mail, that way she will have time to think about all she wants to say, because at the same time she doesnt want to hurt his feelings.
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
8 Jan 07
I can tell you from experience, DON'T get in the middle of this! I went through a custody battle last year over my husbands 16 year old daughter. The mother said the daughter didn't want to visit us. It finally came out in the end that the daughter wanted the same things we did, not what the mother said. Now there are very bad feelings between us and her. Your daughter is a young adult. If she is old enough to make her decisions and want them respected, she is old enough to talk to her father about them. If you start playing the middle man all you are doing is showing your daughter how NOT to handle her own problems and she will never learn. No, it's not going to be a fun conversation and you do need to support her if this is really what she wants. She should also understand that being a young adult brings with it the responsibility of trying to make things work out. When kids are little and mixed up in a divorce, everyone tends to treat them like they will break. But after a while, they really do need to face reality and realize that it's not always pleasant dealing with parents - divorced or not... I don't mean to sound bleak, but it's a tough situation and the earlier your daughter is able to deal with it the better off everyone will be. Just make sure she doesn't shut her father out all together, that doesn't help anyone. Good Luck!
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
one thing is for sure, i always have done everything to keep them in touch so they wouldnt waste their connections. she was always first in the middle of our divorce and he always said she would be better with me then with him. This is her only decision, and you might be right, maybe she's running away from her problems and maybe she should start dealling with them and face her father, but what she fears the most is that if she says she doesnt want to go with him he will get mad at her, instead of trying to understand her and change his behavior. But yes, she's a young adult and she should start facing her problems. Maybe im over protecting her.
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
9 Jan 07
It's so hard to let go, but you have to sooner or later. If her father is a decent guy, he'll be upset at first. But he should be able to see how she feels after he is able to get over the rejection he might feel. Best of luck to you both!
@tammyr (5946)
• Etowah, Tennessee
9 Jan 07
Milagre, I have read alot of the responses, and I feel that you have a good head about this.You know your daughter better than anyone else. You know whether she seems afriad, in such case,stop visits until further information can be gathered. if it is really because of the other woman, maybe they could make the visits at a time when she is not present for the time being. I would suggest to try to get her to at least try to talk with the future step mom, and work on their relationship, so as to make the rest of their encounters better. This is good time to teach that we must be around people that we do not agree with or even like( think obnoxious co-worker) but to be a better person we must learn to accept their ways and deal with them.Help her come up with ways to deal with the new partner. The women may feel the hostiity that your daughter feels and may not know how to handle it, either. As for the father making comments that put her down he is probally just kidding around and thinks that it is funny. I would speak to him about it because it could greatly damage her self esteem, and cause long-term complications if she thinks Dadddy believes she is dumb,fat,lazy Etc. I see this as the biggest problem to the child. Maybe she could talk to him with you there, that way she feels she has your support. But he can see that it is her thoughts she is sharing. Then you can step in if things do get a little heated. But I would prepare her for the things he may respond with to help her feel at ease as someone stated earlier. In the U.S.A. we are obligated to send the child unless there is a question of safety for the child, but at the age of about 13 they are allowed to choose who they live with, I believe you must still send them on visitation, if it is court ordered. I do not know the laws in Portugal. But I am sure if you talk to someone at the courts,or a lawyer, they can inform you of your rights if it has to go that far. i applaude you for caring so much about your daughter and her relationship with her father. Your ? gets a plus.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
You catched my point. i dont want her to lose connection or any contact to her father, but i have to agree with her, he is not an easy person and i told her several times to be patiente but, insight, i think it should be him having patience with her. Never had any bad comment about her father in front of her, she doesnt need to know everything, but she's discovering the kind of person he is and the bad climate existing with her step-mother. Im not saying she is an angel, i know my daughter, but as we say, "you cant catch a fly with vinager". I also told her about her father putting her down in front of others, that he was just kidding, but teen are very sensible and dont like this kind of jolkes. I have a court agreement, but as i told, they can see each other as much as they want, i dont break any will of visitation, as long as it wont disturb her (including studies). Any way, i will try to find the middle in all the subject and of course, help her in all the ways i can. Maybe i will prepar her (not instruct her) to speak or mail her father exposing all her needs. Thank you
• United States
9 Jan 07
Is there any kind of law in your country stating that she HAS to go visit him? If not, then just don't take her to see him, or don't take her as often - make sure she has a sort of "surrogate father figure" in her life to replace that influence, but a negative influence is no good influence at all. And definitely research the laws in your country - they are most definitely different than the laws in mine (USA)
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
To change visitation i needed to go to court, however we had always dealing out of the court, as i said they see each other as much as they want, and until now they have been seen each other more them the agreement, because he want to see her more then what is writen, and for me its ok. I'm divorced since she's 11 years old and everything has been more or less fine but the relation between them has been deteriorating, he is becoming more and more inflexible and nagging to her. She´s just a kid, she's not an angel i now, like all the teens she has her moods and everything for her age, but should be me playing the bad guy, as i spend almost all the time with her, providing her education. Father and daughter should have had good quality time, and its not what's happening, he is bothering her all the time and messing and nagging her. She is her own daughter and she's not living with him, she should be "spoiled" by him. Thus, i understand her position, and have to give her my support, but at this moment and after some good advices here, i think i will try her to give him some tips about their relation and i will see in time. Obs. i had never said a bad word about her father to her, its her own judgement, im not influencing her against him, on the contrary.
• United States
8 Jan 07
If your ex is not an easy person to get along with, he may not be open to having the discussion. Perhaps you should consult a mediator if there is one available in your area. A mediator will sit down with the child and his/her parents to discuss issues that cannot be resolved by the two parents. It would save you a lot of worry and you wouldn't have to talk to him alone. Good luck to you and your daughter. It is a tough situation to be in.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
i dont know if we have mediator here, we were talking through lawers. I will try to find out, that's a good idea. txs a lot
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
8 Jan 07
Yes I agree your Daughter is old enough to make up her own mind I had the same with my Son My Daughter sees her Dad but my Son will not have a lot to do with him If your Daughter feels that way support her but she has to tell her Dad herself He is obviously putting the Girl down in front of People so who can blame the Girl not wanting to go to him Just tell her that if that she does not want to see him anymore that is fine and that you understand but explain to her that she has to be the one to tell him as she is old enough now to make her own Decissions in this case I hope that your Girl will get it sorted with him either way
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
when he tells things like that im not there to say a thing, and i agree with you she should tell something on the right time. However, i also understand that it might not be easy for her, it touch feelings and after all he is her father, not an easy one, but he is. i will talk a bit more with her maybe i will help in a distance. txs
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
8 Jan 07
Get your daughter to tell her father, either over the phone or in writing, why she no longer wants to visit him. He probably may not be aware of her hurt feelings in relation to his comments. Just get her to somehow communicate her reasons with her father. Just might rectify matters.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
Maybe its better to tell him by mail, that way she will have time to think about all she wants to say, because at the same time she doesnt want to hurt his feelings.
@daggi1712 (158)
• Germany
8 Jan 07
pls accept this opinion of you daughter. she is 15... not a child, not an adult. but with the right to do what she menas, what is ok for herselves. maybe sometimes it will change.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
Maybe it will change, but being her father is not easy for her to putting him away, even if it is just for the moment, and also she doesnt want to tell him, she wants me to tell him. thank you. I will talk with her better actually, we have been talking already, which ss good:)
@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
8 Jan 07
Oh dear this does not sound very good yes I think at 15 years of age it is best for her to tell him otherwise he may think that it is your decision and not hers. Oh that is a horrible thing to say to anyone never mind his own daughter, otherwise if she does not want to talk to him alone she could get somebody else to be with her.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
She doenst feel strong enough to talk with him, after all, he is her father. I will see how it will be the next days. Thank you
8 Jan 07
I would just like to say that your daughter is 15 years old, perhaps she wants to spend more time with her friends at the weekend. If she has to go to her dad's one day every weekend, she feels she is missing out on having fun with her friends and who knows maybe she has a boyfriend that she would like to spend time. I think you should talk to her and see if that is part of the problem. If it is then her dad will probably understand that she is growing up and also has her own life. Hope it all works out in the end.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
She has a boy friend and i know him, he is a nice boy, no problems on that, we have a very acceptable and open relationship between mother and daughter. The same doesnt happen with her father and he is not an easy person. She can see her boyfrind often, the main problem is the gap her father is creating between both by his attitudes. Thank you
@shywolf (4514)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I can understand why your daughter doesn't want to talk to your ex himself. It sounds like he has hurt her feelings on more than one occasion. But I do think that it would be best if she did explain to him that she doesn't wish to see him, because I agree with you that he might think that it is your wish and not hers if she doesn't explain. I don't know. I don't think that she should be forced to spend time with him if it is making her miserable, either way. So if she really feels that she cannot talk to him, then I guess that you really will have to. Maybe you can both talk to him.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
Like i said in preveious message, maybe if she write a mail, she wont be in risk of hearing (bad) comments during her exposing. txs
• India
8 Jan 07
situation is not so bad.teach daughter that every day is not same it might changed one day.encourage ur daughter to strong her mind.world is like this but we have to live and counqer this situation.learn to fight against bad situation.....
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
9 Jan 07
In this point y're right, she often avoids conflits and sometimes is necessary to face them. thank you
• United States
8 Jan 07
Divorce is an ugly situation. Children do tend to pit one parent against another. I have a similar situation. My step daughter tollerates her Mother at best on good days and other days, they get along like best friends. My child is 13 and at 12 confronted her Mother that she wanted to live with her Father. It wasn't easy, but it is working out for the best, the Mother has her freedom and the child has stability. At 15, your daughter needs to speak with her Father about what is being said and why she does not want to visit him. Prepare her for what he might & could say to help eleviate this stress. Prepare yourself for what your ex is going to relatiate with. If this is truely what your daughter wants, she will find the courage deep inside and will stand up to him, the best you can do is support her decisions and be there for her to vent. Please do encourage her to have some sort of relationship with him, even if it is extremely strained, maybe by e-mail would be better.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
Im always encouraging her to keep in touych with her father, and sometimes i have to tell her to not say bad things about him, like saying he's stupid and things like that. Mail is a good solution. Txs
@edigital (2709)
• United States
8 Jan 07
Very difficult and problamatic. Step dad is not like real dad, so need to adopt a tric so that her step dad understand that her step daughter dislike his present behavour and want more affection like a dad.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
The problem is with her father and also, she doesnt like her step-mother and the reverso also. txs anyway
@magikrose (5429)
• United States
8 Jan 07
Coming from a broken home myself I know how your daughter feels. I didnt want to go with my father much either because he didnt know how to react to a girl. My mom convinced to to tell my dad how I felt and what was bothering me, and it worked. After that my dad did more things with me for the better. Keep trying to get her to talk to him and tell her how she feels that is the only way he is gong to know.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
Thank you, i guess you're in both situation. How old are you? Maybe she can ask you some advices on how to deal with some difficult situations. I will talk better with her to understand all her needs and maybe to try to pass it to her father.
• United States
8 Jan 07
First find out exactly why your daughter doesn't want to go to her father. Then, you need to have a talk with your ex, and explain to him that his daughter doesn't want to see him any more. This agreement that you have with your ex, is it a verbal agreement between the 2 of you, or is it a court agreement. If you have a lawyer who handled the divorce, then see if he has to have visitation, especially if your daughter doesn't want to visit. There might be other legal ramifications, if this isn't handled properly.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
We have a court agreement, 1 day per weekend, saturday or sunday, but i told them they could see each other as much as they wanted, like i would like to be done to me and on the best interests of my daughter, as children are first. They have seen each other 2 diners a week and 1 day per weekend, sometimes sleeping over. I will talk better with her and maybe try to talk with him, to try to make him understand her needs.
• Pakistan
8 Jan 07
y do give a damn wat he thinks abt u??? he's ur ex so let him think wat eva he wants to...if u want ur daughter to live uch more normally then leave it upto her whether she wana meet him or not
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
I'm not forcing it, but her problem is that she doesnt want to say to him, she want me to tell him. In one thing you're right, she's my daughter and above all a person with rights and needs, and we shouldnt care about the rest. Txs
@quatelmon (955)
• United States
8 Jan 07
As I understand it, once the child is 13 it becomes the child's decission. So, she really should be able to choose how often she has to see her father. You may have to go to court to get the agreement changed, but I'm almost positive that the age is 13 in the courts.
@milagre (1272)
• Portugal
8 Jan 07
I think i wont have to go to court, even having a court agrrement, i told them they could see each other whenever they wanted, but now she wants to see him less, thus, she asked me to give her support (talk with him, to not have to face him on her own, she doesnt want to hurt his feellings though)