Isn't this considered discrimination against a PITT BULL?

@micheller (1366)
United States
January 11, 2007 9:38am CST
Recently me and my boyfriend have been looking for a place to rent. We have a pitt bull and it was so hard to find a place just because we had that certain type of dog. I called apartments all over and asked if they allowed dogs. They told me yes and asked what type, when I told them it was a pitt, they said no we don't allow that type of breed. And not exagerating, it was EVERY place that I called that wouldn't allow a pitt but, one place and my income wasn't high enough for that place. I got lucky and found a house and the lady loves dogs. But, don't you think that is wrong? It's DISCRIMANATING!
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@Ciniful (1589)
• Canada
11 Jan 07
You don't mention where you are, but count yourself lucky. Most cities are enacting, or have a long time ago, city wide pitbull bans. And, I'm one of the ones who agrees with it. But then, I'm basing that opinion off of knowledge of the facts involved and not purely an emotion basis. I don't blame the apartment complexes at all for their decision not to allow violent breeds of dogs. They could find themselves in serious trouble if your dog were to bite someone, and they have to protect against that. They could also have other tenants choosing to move, affecting their income, or have difficulty in renting out other apartments. It's too much risk to take from a business standpoint just because you happen to like that breed of dog. In terms of rental agreements, no, it's not discriminating. A landlord has the right to refuse access to pets before renting to you, regardless of the type of pet.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
But the thing is, with one apartment they told me that they would allow ANY type of large breed dog except a PITT BULL. They are not the only types of dogs who are agrresive. It is how the owner brings the dog up to be. My pitt is as sweet as can be. So you mean to tell me that it would be alright to not allow a cartain type of race because they think that that type of race has to high of a crime rate?
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@Ciniful (1589)
• Canada
11 Jan 07
Yup, that's exactly what I mean to tell you. They have the legal right to protect themselves from any future hassle, including a dog attack. Pitbulls are statistically prone to violent behavior, whether yours is a sweetheart or not had nothing to do with the situation. It would be the same as ... a landlord allowing birds, but drawing the line at vultures.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
But if a landlord did that with a person like with what I said about the race thing, then they could get sued for that.
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11 Jan 07
Pitt Bulls are considered very dangerous and are banned in the UK. We've had a couple of accidents recently and a young girl was killed by her uncles Pitt Bull. The problem with them is that they give no warning before they attack. Even if it's a very nice natured dog. I can't blame people for not wanting a Pitt Bull around.
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• United States
11 Jan 07
The fact that the dog gave no warning before the attack had absolutely not one thing to do with the fact of it being a Pitbull. There is absolutely not one scientific shred of evidence to suggest otherwise. Dog behavior research bears out that any breed of dog has the potential for attacking without giving a warning.
@uath13 (8207)
• United States
11 Jan 07
No warning? Yea right. Somebody wasn't paying any attention or the media has overplayed it. Anyone with any real knowledge of dogs would notice the situation developing. Heck the girl probably provoked him somehow then ran inside screaming he attacked me for no reason with no warning. Sounds like when my daughter got her faced clawed up by a cat. She ran in saying he attacked her for no reason. It didn't have anything to do with the fact she'd been holding him upside down over her head by his tail did it, NOOOO.
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@suedarr (2382)
• Canada
11 Jan 07
That was a horrific news item about the young child that was killed, but ultimately who is at fault, the dog or the Uncle who left the young child alone with it? My heart goes out to the child's family.
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• United States
11 Jan 07
As previously mentioned in other comments, bottome line, insurance companies do not cover breeds such as Pitt Bulls and Rottweilers. Those landlords are not trying to discriminate against you, they most likely are not allowed to have those types of dogs on the premises due to liability factors. Yes, much of it has to do with how the dog is raised and loved. I am sure that you have done a wonderful job raising this dog, but these landlords dont know you, they dont know your dog, they have no way of knowing that your dog is sweet. It has been studied that Pitt Bulls are a naturally aggressive and dangerous breed, they cannot take the risk and I respect them for that. I know I would not want my children encountering a Pitt Bull, especially if I did not know the person who raised the dog. Consider yourself lucky that you do not live in a town where it is banned to own this type of dog. In my town, if you have a Pitt Bull, you have one chance to get it out of town. If you do not it will be taken from you and a good chance of being put down.
@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
also german shepards and labs, etc can be agrresive but they allow that type. I just do not understand the difference. no large breeds should be allowed at all in that case.
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• United States
11 Jan 07
labs are not aggressive dogs at all - all large breeds are not the same!! I was walking down my street one day with my mom's dog (a lab) and she stopped and got between me and the other side of the street with her hair raised, I look up and see a pit bull (a neighbor's dog that I have met before - that I thought was a sweet dog) running at me with her hair raised and growling. A truck pulled between us to stop her from getting us - If I had not had my dog with me I would have never saw her comming and she would have hurt or even killed me. And if the truck would have not come - she would of attacked my mom's dog. I did not do anything (nor did the dog I was with) to deserve that dog trying to attack us. Pit bulls are naturarally aggressive - it is not a case or nature over nurture it is a fact - you may not think your dog you ever do anything like that - but you don't know - it could. Don't they also have lock jaw or something liek that in which when they bite their jaw locks on it - meaning another large breed dog could bite something and let go (causing minimal damage) while a pit could bite something and not be able to let go (causing maximum damage). You should look up the statistics for pit bull attacks (and/or rots and german sherpards) vs. another large breed and see what you find.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
okay and you also do not know what YOUR dog could be capable of. people that are against pitts just look at there side, they don't look at the other side. my dog is not aggresive and I know that for a fact! someone could come into my house that he does not know and he will not do anything, he will run up to them and lick them. Yes, there are some pitts who are aggresive, but that is only because there owner brought them up to be like that. And I have seen labs before that are aggresive!
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• United States
11 Jan 07
I don't think that this is considered discrimination as the apartment complexes have be insured. There are a lot of insurance companies that will not insure you if you have one of these types of dogs. So as to be sure that they don't get cancelled they have to have these regulations and not allow these kinds of dogs. Most home owners will not allow you to have them either for the same reasons. If they do they may require that you purchase your own insurance and show proof of it. This is not discriminating it is just saving their butts.
@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
considering that any other type of large breed is allowed except a PITT? They have other breeds that are agrresive also!
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• United States
11 Jan 07
Yeah, when I got insurance on my house they asked me if I have dog and I said yes, they asked me what type and I told them - one of my dogs is a not so common breed and the guy kept asking me what it is like and all of these questions. I asked him what the big deal was and he said if I have a pit, a rot, or a german shepard then my insurance would go way up.
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@bonbon664 (3470)
• Canada
11 Jan 07
Unfortunately, that's a fact of life now. Insurance companies will not cover households/properties that have certain breeds of dogs.
@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
yes I know, and I would understand if they didn't allow large breeds, but they just don't allow a pitt, that's WRONG!
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@suedarr (2382)
• Canada
11 Jan 07
That is very unfortunate and I do feel for you and your dog. I live in a province that banned the breed not based on facts, but on ignorance. People are terrified of pit bulls in part because of bad breeders/owners and because the media like to sensationalise news stories. Actual statistics bear out that pit bull bites/attacks are very low in comparison to some other breeds including cuddly favourites like the poodle or cocker spaniel. Most people forget that the lovable PD of the Our Gang TV show was in fact a Pit Bull terrier. People have ruined this breed itself and in the minds of many. Very sad.
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@Ciniful (1589)
• Canada
11 Jan 07
The difference is that when a small, cuddly dog attacks you, it doesn't have the raw power to rip your throat out. A pitbull does. Pitbulls are instinctive to violence, no matter how well raised. There are documented cases of pitbulls attacking with no provokation. Just as a city would not allow a tiger to roam free, they've also had to but restrictions in place regarding violent breed dogs. They don't base the bans on ignorance, the facts are well documented regarding the violent nature of pitbulls.
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@sunrisekn (1468)
• United States
11 Jan 07
Any breed of dog can attack without provocation, it's just that the Pit Bull's make and keep the news going. Some news reports have even reported people were attacked by a Pit and then had to retract and tell the truth, it was a Dalmation or a Lab. Give me a break! A Poodle and Crocker Spaniel can do damage also. People are more afraid of Pits because they have been in the news. Akitas, Mastiffs, Chows, German Sheppards attack also but they are not news worthy.
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@uath13 (8207)
• United States
11 Jan 07
Reminds me of a news article a few months back. A police officer was mauled by a pack of chowawas when he attempted to take a teenager back to her house. He was hospitalized for a while. I just found that amusing
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@mishang (500)
• Philippines
12 Jan 07
i think that it is very wrong to judge and generalize pittbull just because of some other owner's negligence of responsibility. maybe if people can just open up their mind a bit and try to look at the owner's responsibility and not the dog subjectively.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
18 Jan 07
i agree. that's exactly what i'm trying to prove. thanks for responding
@chertsy (3805)
• United States
12 Jan 07
I'm sorry to hear about your problem. I think some Pitts are very sweet dogs. I haven't yet met a Pitt that would attack. Met some other dogs though. I'm currently living next door to a nightmare of a German Shepard. When the neighbor has him in his cage, he can get out and becomes a problem. So they have to keep him in the garage. I have neighbors that are houses down across the street that has 2 pitt bulls. She's very smart. The neighbor is deaf, this dog knows what to do when the lady signs to her. The male, they rescued him after watching him being thrown from a truck at night. He is also sweet. Very loving. Loves to play. He roams the neighborhood, and the neighbor's had no complaints. The German Shepard on the other hand, Animal Control was called out once. They tried to take him, but he was just to aggressive for the 2 female workers to get. I own a Beagle, and when we used to live in an apartment. She was attacked by a very large Boxer, when she was about 2-3 years of age. It's sad that a breed of dog get's such a bad rep, because of the way humans treats them. There the only breed that's sad to say used in fights. It's going to take a lot of work from Pitt owners that love their dogs and animal rights people to show people that this breed isn't all that bad. It's the bad people that mistreat them that makes them bad.
@micheller (1366)
• United States
18 Jan 07
thanks for showing that a PITT isn't the only breed of dog that is that agrresive.
@uath13 (8207)
• United States
11 Jan 07
Definently! Pit bulls have a bad reputation because people have trained them to act that way. If you train a dog to be mean, he'll be mean & of course those are the ones everybody notices. My sister raises pits that are gentle as could be because thats how she raised them. If you saw my wolfdogs running towards you, you'd probably think " Their gona eat me". No they'll just get a good taste as they slober all over you. Their oversized lap dogs, because thats how I made them. People like to stereotype too much, it keeps them from having to study and learn about the individual. In every case its just wrong.
@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
i agree but, some people seem to not understand that and just ASSUME that all pitts are bad dogs.
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• United States
11 Jan 07
yes I do agree with you but I can see both sides my sister raised pitbulls and they were the best dogs and very good with children I believe in how they are raised rather or not if they should be allowed some pits have been trained to fight and be agressive while others were raised to become house hold pets so it is a hard choice rather to allow or not too allow them in an apartment
@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
yes, that is true. And the dog breed should not be punished for how humans are making them out to be. All dog fighters should be punished badly when caught!
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• United States
11 Jan 07
I have relatives who own a few pitt bulls and they were raised to be great dogs. Unfortunately though there is no denying that certian breeds of dogs are more likely to kill humans than other breeds. As others have mentioned, the apartment complex has insurance and has to do what their insurance company says. Many insurance companies are making lists of dog breeds that are not allowed. According to the Insurance Information Institute, in 2003 nearly 25% of all home owner's insurance claims were due to dog bites and that in 2002 the average claim was $16,000 per dog bite claim. It is pretty obvious that an insurance settlement pertaining to a dog killing someone is going to be much much higher than $16,000. Also, if a place is telling you that they allow all dog breeds except for pitt bulls, have you considered that maybe they have had incidents in the past with pitt bull bites? It is not their duty to get to know each and every dog before allowing someone to rent so they can determine if their is a risk or not. They can only go by prior experience or statistics (or what their insurance provider claims is prior experience/statistically true).
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
well maybe they should consider to the rule being no dogs allowed if a certain one type isn't. I know this is illegal but, that's just like saying, "well your race has had to many problems with us so we don't allow your race". they should come up with something for you to sign saying they are not responsible for your animal if it does damage to anything or anyone.
• United States
11 Jan 07
Pit bulls aren't one of the breeds that are more likely to attack humans. Not if they're bred properly. They were specifically bred not to.
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• United States
12 Jan 07
According to the sources I've read, they aren't even on the top 20 for being most likely to bite. Their temperament is the same as a Golden Retriever according to the AKC temperament testing. "pit bull" isn't a breed. So if you look up the statistics according to the proper breed name, you'll probably find different statistics.
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@wahmoftwo (1298)
• United States
11 Jan 07
No, it is not discriminating. There are MANY places that don't allow pets at all. I don't blame them. I don't want this kind of animal around my children. If you can, perhaps you should look into buying a place of your own so you can have more freedom :)
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
the dog wouldn't be around anyone's children, it would be inside since an apartment has no yard. my dog is great around children anyway!
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• United States
12 Jan 07
I happen to LOVE Pit Bulls and will always own one. It is a shame that Pitties get such a bad rep when they are sweet loving dogs. My pittie grew up with small children under the age of 3 and she never attacked or even snapped at the kids her entire life! The kids would pull her tail, pull her whiskers, hug her, and kiss her on the mouth. My Pittie was a street dog! I rescued her froma homeless man that abused her. Unfortunately, she passed away from cancer. I loved her so much I spent close to 10 grand just in vet bills alone for her. I would have done anything for my pittie. You want to talk about dogs that are agressive, try looking up Chow Chows. My sister was attacked by our tenants Chow Chow and she had to have over 70 stitches in her leg! I rescued a Poor Pit Bull who was only 6 months old and her "owner" took a baseball bat and broke her two front legs! These people shouldn't be allowed to have any animals and there should be harsher sentencing for animal abusers. You have no idea the horrible things I have seen being an animal rescuer and the things that have been done to Pit Bulls. One Pittie who was homeless in NYC was shot by a NYC police officer. Why, because she was walking towards him and he was afraid. So he shot her! You know what the Pittie did when the police officer bent down next to her to see if she was alive. She licked him!! She had to have her leg amputated because this idiot police officer was scared of her. She was a puppy!!! You know what, now she has a great home thanks to the rescue group who took her out of the shelter. That police officer should be ashamed of himself! Pit Bull should not be banned! Ban the irresponsible owners who mistreat these poor dogs and use them for fighting!
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
12 Jan 07
aww that's soo sad. i agree that these abusive owners and that police officer should have longer punishments.
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@mizrak07 (557)
• Philippines
16 Jan 07
Cant blame them, pitt bulls can be really dangerous. There's this place in our country where a girl was killed when she came near the dog. And to think that she's the daughter of the owner!
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
18 Jan 07
probably because the owner taught the dog to be agrresive. people think that by teaching a dog to "sick" someone is only going to happen when they tell them to do it or even only sick others and not them BUT, that is not true. A dog taught to attack a person would attack anyone even it's the owner!
@micheller (1366)
• United States
18 Jan 07
I have my prayers for this poor little girl..
@nuffsed (1274)
12 Jan 07
Yes people will descriminate against pitbull terrriers. But why on earth would anyone want one. There is no worthwhile quality in that dog that is not found elsewhere in the canine world. The ability to attack another animal without body language warning is not an admirable trait in civilised society. They are bred only for illegal activities or for money. Individually and personally, I have nothing against them. Yet they seem too often seem to be on the lead of a nutcase with a persecution complex, or a known criminal type. No, sorry fighting dogs are obsolete.
@micheller (1366)
• United States
18 Jan 07
They are not bred only to fight. They are a loving animal just like any other. Yes, SOME of them are agrresive because that is what they are taught to be but, it's the owners fault for making them agrresive. The bad owner's should be punished, not the dog. And there are worthwile qualities in the dog..
@medooley (1874)
• United States
12 Jan 07
This is by far the funniest post that I have read on here. Discrimanating against a dog? Are you kidding me. That is not discrimanating, the owner of the place has a right to limit tenants based on the pets that they have. Not only that, but that can allow some to have pets and some not. There is no law against that. Obviously the onwer does not want a pitt bull on his property because of the violent nature (be it either the truth or the perception) of the dog. I would think that if he allows that dog in his complex he is opening himself up for a possible lawsuit if the dog would happen to harm anyone. I fully understand the owners thought process behind this. And just so you know I am not saying that pittbulls are dangerous, but like it or not that is the reputation that they have. I guess if you feel that you have been discriminated in some sort of way then hire a lawyer and go to court. Other wise, move on and find somewhere else to stay that will allow your dog.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
12 Jan 07
I'm not stupid, I know that there is no such law as discrimination against a dog. what I'm trying to say is that there should be because there are many other types of aggresive dog breeds out there, even small breeds weighing only 10 lbs but, they don't band them types just because they have SOME agrresive ones in their breed. But yet ALL pitts are banned in some places because SOME of them ae agrresive.
• United States
11 Jan 07
The fact of the matter is, dogs don't have the same rights as humans. Many people will not rent to you if you own a pet. I have had some say that fish weren't even acceptable.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
yes, i did come across some that didn't allow any type of pet. it's just the one that told me that any type of large breed dog was allowed accept a pitt bull, was the one that go me ANGRY because my pitt is nicer than my mom's chihuahua.
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@sunrisekn (1468)
• United States
11 Jan 07
Alot of the cities that are enacting the ban on pit bulls will allow an owner to keep the pit if they can prove they owned the pet before the ban. We had to do that before we moved out of Maryland. We now live in SC and yes, we were asked by every landlord what breed of dog we owned. When we told them pit, they denied us. We finally found this house we live in now and our landlord is awesome. I think it's wrong that all pits are put into the "dangerous" catagory because some bone head owners don't know how to take care of and properly train their pits. I'm glad you finally found a place, be prepared because as long as you own your pit, you are going to feel discriminated against. My husband and I now tell people when they ask that she is a terrier. It's just easier and people are not afraid of her. As long as we know what breed she is and our landlord knows, we don't worry about anyone else.
@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
thanks for the input. i agree with you.
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• United States
11 Jan 07
Unfortunately, that's the stupidity of society right now. Everyone is buying into the whole "pit bull" hysteria except those of us who happen to own them & know how great they are. I was told by a friend of mine that you should tell people that they're a Boxer mix. They really have no way to prove otherwise & Boxers are usually viewed differently even though they're basically the same.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
11 Jan 07
thanks for the advice!
• United States
11 Jan 07
You're welcome. :) I know what it's like to have people be so freaked out by my dogs just because of their breed. I have 3 American Pit Bull Terriers & a APBT/Lab & the only one that people don't freak out around is the Lab mix because his head looks Lab. Do you have any pics of your Pit? I have some of mine on my profile.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
12 Jan 07
yes I have some pictures. I'll put them up when i get the chance. =)
@lauriefnp (5112)
• United States
18 Jan 07
Your Pit Bull may be a very nice dog, but the breed is known to be unpredictable. There are countless reports of well behaved Pits who suddenly turn on someone, even their owners, without provocation. They are known to be very volatile and dangerous. Many places in the U.S. are making it illegal to sell Pit Bulls anymore. I am a huge animal lover, but in this case I agree with the majority; I think that these dogs are just too risky.
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• United States
18 Jan 07
They are no more "unpredictable" than any other dog. It's not their fault that most people listen to & believe everything that the media has to say about it. The media makes stuff up all the time. It's not true.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
18 Jan 07
thanks butterflydreams. you have been a real big help to me with this discussion. i couldn't thank you enough.
@missybal (4492)
• United States
12 Jan 07
Well I can understand the worry because of the breads usual nature. Not to say your pitt bull isn't a sweetie but most are not... It is discrimminating. I'm shocked that they asked what type. I myself would have said that I had a medium sized dog and leave it at that, as long as you know you have a lover not a fighter. It's wrong but hey that is life, unfortunate for you. I'm glad you were finally able to find a place and at least with a house and a possible yard you and your pitt bull will be much happier.
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• United States
12 Jan 07
Actually, MOST so called "pit bulls" are NOT agressive. "Pit Bull" isn't even a breed. It's a group of many breeds.
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@micheller (1366)
• United States
16 Jan 07
well I could have done that but, if they were to ever see the dog then they could probably throw me out and would have still made me pay rent because I would have signed a lease. They ask you on the application at apartment complexes what type of dog it is.