President Bush keeps saying that the illegals aren't taking...

@sbeauty (5870)
United States
January 25, 2007 1:42pm CST
any jobs that Americans are willing to do. I say that's very untrue! My stepson has been a house painter for 20 years. He built up an excellent reputation for doing very fine work, and he works by himself so that he knows the quality of the work he's delivering. Yesterday he was all upset. He had bid a job at what he considered a reasonable amount. His competitor, who hires all illegal laborers, undercut his price by over half. He said he can hardly buy the paint for what the other place bid. Now he's worried that this whole illegal immigrant thing will put him out of business. It made me wonder how many people in this country are experiencing the same thing. This happened in Marshalltown, IA, one of the towns that made national news a few weeks back for the INS rounding up a bunch of illegals.
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@kgwat70 (13396)
• United States
26 Jan 07
We have a lot of illegal immigrants here as well and more just got arrested here just a couple of days ago so at least our country is doing something about it which hopefully will help prevent situations from happening like what your stepson is going through. Hopefully many or all of the illegals will get caught and the jobs and pay will be back to normal for all of our people. That is terrible that his pay was undercut by so much. I am sure there are other people who are going through the same thing as your stepson.
@sbeauty (5870)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Yes, I've read in the responses to this post that a lot of other people have had to deal with the same thing. The only way American citizens will be able to compete is by living 40 to a house like the illegals do, which would mean that the standard of living would be going down because of these people, and they would be pulling us down to the level they are trying to leave in Mexico.
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@cjsweb (88)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Since the Hurricanes here in Louisiana we have been overrun with Mexicans. Don't know if they are illegal are not. But I don't know if much of this basic labor work would get done if it wasn't for them. I once saw an interview with the President of Mexico and his attitude is that Texas was taken illegally from Mexico so he feels his people have every right to be here.
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@sbeauty (5870)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Texas was annexed to the US because of a war fought in the 1840s. If you will look back in history, a great deal of property was acquired by countries this way. Who made the rule that it's supposed to be given back?
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• United States
26 Jan 07
This problem is occurring all around the country. I wish the politicians who make the laws were as afraid of p!ss!ing off the voters as they are of upsetting foreigners. "Illegals aren't taking any jobs that Americans are willing to do." There are three points I'd like to make here: 1) Illegals -- doesn't that say it all? They are here illegally, they are breaking the law, they should not be taking any jobs. 2) Taking jobs -- my brother in law worked for 30 years as a carpenter here in town. At almost 60 years of age, he had to go back to school to learn a new trade, in part because the construction field is overrun with illegals and he couldn't find enough work to support his family. 3)Jobs American are willing to do -- maybe its not that they don't want to do them, but that they don't want to do a job that used to pay 25.00 an hour for the 10.00 an hour the illegals will accept. Send the illegals back to their countries and see how quickly they are replaced by legitimate Americans who want and need to work. True, we may have to look to high schoolers to take the minimum wage, fast food jobs. But, hey, maybe that will help keep them out of trouble.
@sbeauty (5870)
• United States
26 Jan 07
There are no high school jobs any more. In Iowa that includes destasseling corn in the summer which has been a source of income for kids for as long as I can remember. Now crews of illegals have taken the job over. It's horrible about your brother-in-law. Why should WE have to redo our lives to accommodate these people who are breaking the laws?
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• United States
26 Jan 07
I think the work should be done by enough people to get it done faster,with quality results. This man works alone as if he is the only one able. I would have taken the other also. Who were willing and ready to work for less. I am not blind to the truth. These people will do anything to feed their family. Many of them have no other choice. You have people born and raised in the Good old USA and won't clean another man's toilet. I saw a friend o mine struggle to make it. Doing what even I would not do. With her head held high and proud. Buying the little things just to get by. Living with rats,one bedroom 4 people,etc. I with them all the luck. If USA wants their jobs back then a lot of sorry people better get out the gloves and get to working.
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• United States
26 Jan 07
I do not believe anyone should come here illegally. If they are from Mexico (or anywhere else) they should come here legally and then I would have no problem with them holding jobs here. The fact is, most hard field jobs wouldn't be done if it wasn't for immigrants. I do not see many American's lining up to pick fruit or work in the sun all day picking vegetables. You can say whatever you want but it's just not happening. American's expect too much for too little. Mexican's are use to working hard for very little. That's not their fault, it's the business man's fault for hiring them or only offering very little pay which turns the American's away. I think the blame is being placed on the wrong people. Immigrants come here for a better life and are willing to do whatever it takes to make a buck. I'm not sure why you are so angry at them. If you are just angry at illegals, that's fine but it sounds like you are angry at Mexican's in general and I think that is wrong. There are alot of Mexican's that have come here the right way and have worked their butts off every day for very little money and they still aren't complaining about how America pays their employees. Show me hundreds of American's willing to pick produce or stand in the sun all day for min. wage and I'll show you plenty of jobs for those American's. They just do not want them. Also, last time I checked - this country originally belonged to the Native Indians and most of our founding fathers came here illegally and TOOK that land from those Indians. So that makes you no better than the Mexicans unless you are Native Indian. Are you rushing out to give up your land to the poor Indians who have been banished to a small chunk of land your government felt nice enough to give them? Most of us are in this country because someone way back in our bloodline came to this country as an immigrant - for a better life. Why are you so quick to take away that right from the Mexican's now? Sorry but I don't get it and I could talk for hours about it but it won't make a difference.
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• United States
26 Jan 07
I have lived it but you wouldn't know that because you do not know me. I, in no way, said that I was in favor of ILLEGALS being here and working here. I said that if they came here legally then I do not understand why anyone should have a problem. Mexican's aren't the only ones who come to this country LEGALLY and work here. If you are saying that LEGAL immigrants should be denied work here then you are speaking about ALL immigrants, right? I happened to have worked in Human Resources for many years for a company that hired LEGAL immigrants. We were just as open to hiring American's but when we did - they didn't last. Why? Because they are L.A.Z.Y. and yes, I speak from experience. We paid above min. wage, had excellent benefits and health insurance. For some reason, standing on your feet all day and actually working wasn't of interest to many regular class American's. It was easier for them to sit at home and collect unemployment or disability or food stamps or welfare. But the Mexican's and other immigrants that worked for us had no problem working - if they were sick or injured they BEGGED to be able to come back to work before they were suppose to. They asked for overtime and would come in early. They never missed a day unless they couldn't stand. Can't say the same for my American brothers and sisters who called in sick every chance they could and had every excuse in the book why they couldn't work. Then they wondered why their jobs were being given to immigrants. Maybe if they showed up and actually worked, they would have a job. It's so much easier to stand around pointing the finger at someone else just because they weren't LUCKY enough to be born here like you and I were. Don't assume you know me or what I have experienced or researched or lived.
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@dmajkc (196)
• United States
26 Jan 07
That is the problem that the whole country is facing. It's not so much that Americans don't want the job. It's American's won't do the job for the pay offered. If you look at the Agriculture industry, lets say the Citrus industry. A farmer is not going to pay an American 12.00 an hour + health insurance, + sick time+ vactation + overtime+ social security+unemployment insurance+ taxes jut to pick oranges. Of course he can pay a migrant much less without all the aggravation. If that farmer was forced to pay an American for the work, he would not absorb the cost of labor. That cost would be passed to the consumer with much higer prices than what we are paying now. So, it's a tough issue. I'm like everyone else. I see the problem, but can't really come up with a solution that will please everyone.
@dmajkc (196)
• United States
26 Jan 07
The price has remained the same because there is an abundance of workers who will essentially allow themselves to be subjected to slave labor. Who can they complain to if they are here illegally. Why do you think the Agriculture Industry is making the most noise about deporting illegals. This legislation will take away their cheap source of labor. This problem is a nationwide problem. It isn't just in agriculture either. Any job where someone can work "under the table" uses cheap migrant labor.
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@Garcia5 (78)
• United States
26 Jan 07
It is a shame but when I hear about cases like this I wonder how many times companies who hire illegals are fined or other. If companies would stop hiring them, which is also illegal, then atleast the problem would be solved on a small scale one company at a time. My borther in law and I used to be contractors out in Sacramento California and we never had to deal with bidding wars with companies that hired illegal immigrants so I can't really say anything in regards to that. I have been to a warehouse job where the warehouse hired 90% Latino immigrants and they protested about wages and work hours. The police came and it was like there they were but no one did a thing. What I am most regretful about is that I was the victim of identity theft. I am a Mexican American born and rasied in the US so I was probably more at risk for people who steal social numbers. I find creditors calling me night and day about cell phones and its a vicious cycle that gets me nowhere. I work with them on one phone account to prove that its fraud and then I have five more phones under my name. So in that regard I do have the experience to state that its not just the illegal immigrants that are mucking up the system but the companies that put business before legality. Our own Government officials squabble over the issue with no real intention of correcting the problem of even admitting they are working on a solution. Its heartbreaking for American citizans like myself that have worked hard all their lives and abided by the law and end up having to suffer because my government who asks so much of me does so little for me when I need them. Go figure.
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@sbeauty (5870)
• United States
26 Jan 07
I'm sorry, too, about your problems. And I agree that the businesses who employ these people should be punished for breaking the law as well as the illegals themselves. Then throw in the government officials who are ignoring the rights of our citizens in order to help the law-breaking foreigners. The whole system has been corrupted and broken. I am getting so much negative feedback here that I wonder what would happen if everyone who feels this way were to start writing to their congresspeople from their state. Certainly they couldn't ignore all of us.
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@shellyrios (1215)
• United States
27 Jan 07
I think a lot do, not so long ago before Christmas I believe they busted a huge amount of illegal immigrant workers at a turkey plant in Greeley, it was all over the nation that they did this, not just our state I think, and the families who were left behind had the audacity to cry about how unfair it was to them??!!! These people were using other people's SSN's!!!!! No wonder we have an identity theft issue here in this country!!!
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@katty0004 (387)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Sorry to hear that but I also lost a job over a month ago over that same thing and it makes it hard on a person when it come to there income being taken away from , so I work a little harder to hold on to the jobs I do have an dit starting to look up until summer rolls around then it will be the same thing again.
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@Celanith (2334)
• United States
26 Jan 07
They are doing this everywhere and taking jobs americans are working at and offering to work for a lower wage. It happened to some school bus drivers My brother knows and he is worried he will be bumped next though he has been at the job for seven years.
@Mommamea (1215)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Melting pot of the world? I think the pot has melted. I can't believe our polititions aren't doing more to protect our country. What are they afraid of? Surely they see many problems will correct themselves by deporting the Illegal immigrants back to were they came from. I truly don't see enough being done to seek out the illegals and send them back. We the people are the ones that need to take a stand and make this happen. If someone thought I was doing something illegal in my home they police would surely be here in a heart beat knocking down my door to stop anything illegal yet they aren't doing anything to look into complaints about illegal immigrants being here. The same goes for those being allowed to come here on work visas. Why give out these visas when there aren't enough jobs to go around for the American people? Looks like we Americans need to do more to choose the right Person to represent us in office. Wake up the Politicians and make them see they work for us the people. Best of luck to your son and all those dealing with these problems.
@Smith2028 (797)
• United States
26 Jan 07
And this is another reason to toughen up on the illegal immigration problem. We need to send them back and make sure that they come here legally. There is no need for any type of temp workers program that will ultimately lead to loopholes and a bigger problem. While Americans as a whole do seem to have jobs that they are "unwilling" to do, I can't say that this is true. Given a chance, most, I would underline MOST, Americans will take any job if it keeps them off the streets.
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• United States
25 Jan 07
If Bush paid attention he would have seen that Colorado proved him wrong. When the Federal government did a raid a meat plant here they took almost 300 illegal workers. The next day there were almost 1000 American legal citizens lined up to get a job. So don't tell me we aren't willing to work hard to earn our money.
@hariharbhat (1314)
• India
26 Jan 07
you may agree with me that all the citizens of America or their forefathers are all migrants. America does not have it's originality in citizenship. It is a process of immigration going on in America and the terms used may be legal or illegal but the immigration would go on continuing ! It is a Natural Law to provide scope for the low cost to replace the high cost goods and services. Try to give the right knowlege to your relative to bear with it and continue the works.
@koikoikoi (1247)
• United States
26 Jan 07
Illegals are doing jobs that Americans don't want to do. Like deliver newspapers or mow lawns.
@deandra (33)
• Indonesia
26 Jan 07
I'm not so certain. I wouldn't say that exactly.
@cscq88 (36)
• China
26 Jan 07
Agrees with youe idea
@nzinky (822)
• United States
14 Feb 07
I want to know what the jobs are that the President says we won't do.......I've cleaned hotel rooms, swept floors, worked as a laborer in a factory, managed apartments, and did home child care for people...Americans will do any job that and Illegal will do the only problem is the Illegal will do it much cheaper than us......I say to the President americans will do the job if they are paid a realistic wage.....Not slave wages......
@Lydia1901 (16354)
• United States
2 Feb 07
Well, that sounds really serious and I hope it does not last for very long since they are trying to send all those imigrants back. I hope things will work out for him.
@hopefoo (1145)
• Malaysia
26 Jan 07
It all boils down to simple economics. People hire cheap labourers to maximize their profits. Add that to the fact that everyone from the third world country wants a job in the states, as they earn more their per day than a whole month back home. Level of competition for jobs increases, income tax going unreported therefore uncollected, face value of the US already dropping...uh oh..
@kathy77 (7488)
• Australia
26 Jan 07
Oh yes I bet that there are a lot of illegals taking the job of Americans. Oh that is dreadful but this is happening in my country as well that the illegals do take away jobs from our people as well. There are just too many illegals it makes you wonder what the immigration is doing.