Wicca and Catholic can it mix

January 27, 2007 7:52am CST
So in another discussion I discussed my views about the Catholic Church and how I sometimes feel that their opinions are not mine, although I love God devoutly. In another discussion I mentioned my ancestor being a Gypsy and that I have inherited some of her special gifts. Now crunch time, can Wicca and Catholic Religion mix, the Catholic Church would condemn me to hell fire for admitting to practicing, studying and considering a clerical position in Wicca. I have already passed my 1st Degree in Wicca and Reiki and believe me is beautiful rather satanic. To do no harm and be aware of your karma, that is what Wicca is based around. Unconditional love for all on this earth. To invoke and harness the power and energy of nature for the greater good of human and animal, and nature. Did Jesus not say if you have faith as small as a mustard seed you can move a mountain. In persuing Wicca and loving God and continuiing to struggle with the Laws of the Catholic Church and following his commandments, do Wiccan's not deserve to be accepted by the rest of religious orders. If true ecumencalism is what we strive for and for peace, are not Wiccan's just as good and valued as Catholics, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims and Hindu's. or have I just created a thread that will cause out and verbal stone throw, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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@FrancyDafne (2048)
• Italy
27 Jan 07
The Catholic Church is always the same, everything looks strange could be satanic.... above all a powerful woman like you. The ridiculous thing is that Paganism does not know beings as Satan and similar.... Monotheists created Satan, so what Wicca has to do with satanism? Nothing. Wicca is the fast growing religion in the United States and religious authorities fear this, so they try to set a limit to them. In Italy Wicca followers are very few, but they are growing.
@dodoguy (1297)
• Australia
27 Jan 07
Hi Francy, it's all well and good to state who "created" Satan - the best trick that Satan ever pulled was convincing mankind that he doesn't exist. so it's easy as pie to theorize about him - until you meet him in person. Then he's not so readily dismissed. There are far more things, and far more creatures, and far more layers to reality, than you or I or most people might ever imagine. Just because we can't see it all, or understand what little of it we CAN see, doesn't mean that it isn't there.
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@otshock (273)
• United States
27 Jan 07
As a Wiccan myself, I don't believe in Satan. My personal belief is that Evil resides in human beings only. You may believe however you want to, but don't tell other people that they're wrong. Because you don't know. Everyone should follow what they truly believe is right in their own heart. What's right for one is not necessarily right for all.
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@dodoguy (1297)
• Australia
27 Jan 07
Dear Otshock, very presumptuous words there indeed. "Because you don't know". Care to read my mind again? How many fingers am I holding up? As for telling someone that they are wrong - I haven't done that in THIS particular thread, although YOU have right here. I have simply stated my opinion - and since when did Francy need YOU to tell ME what I "don't know"? Incidentally, there's a fatal logical flaw in what you have stated. It IS entirely possible to KNOW by experience that something exists, but I'm quite sure that it's not so easy to be certain by experience that something DOESN'T exist. And just to keep you off balance - Unicorns are actual animals, which became extinct (if they really are) AFTER the Great Flood. But how can they ever have existed if you don't "believe" in them, hmmm?
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@emarie (5451)
• United States
27 Jan 07
i think they should. i have a topic on this as well. as most people know, the catholic curch adopted most of their holiday, practices and ceremonies from the pegan and wiccan beliefs although they deny it fully because it happend when the catholic church was first started. thats why i find the catholic church very hypocratic in a way. since they are just a mixture of different religion (just to bring in the masses) they still deny the fact that the other religions exsist.
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@dmajkc (196)
• United States
27 Jan 07
Being a Wiccan is not compatable with the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church Scripture is very clear on practicing magic, sorcery divination etc. I m not condeming you but you should try to figure out what is missing spiritually from you that would cause you to seek out a Pagan/Animist religion. Good Luck :)
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@dodoguy (1297)
• Australia
27 Jan 07
You go girl! All the gifts of Nature that God has so freely provided to us in such abundance, even after the Great Flood when humanity's lot in the world was much diminished, are literal miraculous embodiments of His unfathomable Wisdom and Power. Everything in this world exists, and is available to us for our benefit, ONLY through Jesus' love for us. All things are possible ONLY because God permits them. And using God's gifts for good works can hardly be considered evil, in my books.
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@algie123 (289)
• Philippines
28 Jan 07
this forum is really intersting but i know that only one has given the right to that and that is jesus.
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@dodoguy (1297)
• Australia
27 Jan 07
Hi Destiny, most people, i think, are in their particular "brand" of church for no better reason than by default - it's what their parents raised them into, and that's pretty much the end of it. I was raised Catholic, and I choose the Catholic Church over all else, not because of what I was taught, but because of what I've seen and learnt by myself. The principle obligation that anyone in the Catholic Church has to the Catholic Church is obedience. Whether right or wrong, good or bad, we're obliged to accept the conditions that the Catholic Church stipulates for us. That sounds like a very arbitrary thing, but that's the nature of a Sacred structure which has been handed over by God to be managed in the material world by men. Part of the trials and tribulations which we must endure in our rite of passage through this world, you might say. And the Catholic Church has NOT always been in the right - being run as it is by men - but it IS the Church given to us by Jesus, and despite our dissatisfaction with it at times, we are nevertheless obliged to obedience. People might say "how dare you dictate such-and-such to us?" but I'm NOT dictating anything - just stating the way things are. People are free to choose to live however they want to, and do whatever they want to - but just because they don't like the truth, doesn't mean they can outlaw the truth or kill anyone who happens to point it out. No-one anywhere is COMPELLED to join the Catholic Church, so it intrigues me that so many OUTSIDE the Catholic Church put so much effort into trying to destroy it. That was just a passing observation, incidentally - not directed at you or anyone else in this particular thread. You might be familiar with the life of Saint Francis of Assissi. He was very much enraptured with the beauty that God manifested throughout Nature, and used to float around in a trance up amongst the trees talking to the birds about God. Indeed, he was a very Holy man, a man of God to be sure. The Catholic Church came down on Saint Francis of Assissi like a ton of bricks, and the human heirarchy of the Catholic Church tried to persuade the Pope to excommunicate Saint Francis, until the Pope met Saint Francis and accepted Saint Francis' message from God. Yet Saint Francis was NEVER disobedient to the Catholic Church - despite human elements WITHIN the human heirarchy of the Catholic Church venting their spleens against him. There are two sides to the Catholic Church - it's human side, and it's Divine side. Being human, we have to tolerate the human failings of the Catholic Church, while yet being obedient to it's ultimately Divine character and authority in the world. And ANYONE is COMPLETELY FREE to walk away from the Catholic Church if they don't like any of that. But the Catholic Church isn't a plaything to be changed to suit the whims of human "democratic" tendencies - the Catholic Church IS what it IS, and it's NOT a "democratic" institution. If anyone wants to outlaw the Catholic Church because it doesn't conform to the trendy "democratic" model of current times, they'd be well advised to consider on what "authority" they might attempt to do this. Yes, Wicca can coexist with the Catholic Church, if Wicca is a reflection of the natural order. I suspect there are shades of grey and different manifestations of Wicca, because all Nature is provided as a gift for our prosperity, health and enjoyment by none other than God Himself. But humanity and Good Spirits aren't the only citizens of this material realm.
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
28 Jan 07
I'm curious, are you referring to Roman Catholic or Orthydox Catholic, which I have been told is the original Catholic church.
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@dodoguy (1297)
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Hi, I was referring to the Roman Catholic Church. Not too much different from the Greek Orthodox and the Russian Orthodox churches, mind you, and with good fortune all three will reunite at some time in the future. But there IS one distinct difference between the three, to my understanding. The mystic Saints - the ones who did and still do prodigious, seemingly magical things - of past centuries and even up to the present day, appear pretty much ONLY amongst Roman Catholics. This is one of the several things which induces me, personally, to give full respect to the Roman Catholic Church over all others.
@urbandekay (18312)
29 Jan 07
Actually there was no Catholic church until it split from the Orthodox church in the 11th century. Before that time the Bishop of Rome had always accepted that the authority of the church lay in the joint hands of the Bishops in Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem and some other places. Then in a fit of hubris the Bishop in Rome declared himself Pope and excommunicated the other Bishops, motivated by lust for power. He then declared the arrangement which he had accepted up to that point as heresy. He argued that the authority had been handed down uninterruptedly from Peter but this is a misunderstanding, Peter is the rock on which the church was built but both he and Paul yielded to the authority of James the Just, Jesus's brother. all the best urban
@speakeasy (4215)
• United States
27 Jan 07
NO - whether you CALL your self a Catholic or not if you are not in agreement with the Catholic Church and its' doctrines you are NOT a Catholic. This does not meant that you may not be a Christian though or you may truly be Pagan. Also the two can not honestly mix. You would always have to hide part of your beliefs from others. When it comes to religion it is belief not expediency that counts. Whatever your beliefs you need to believe in them whole heartedly or you are just another religious hypocrite. If you are not sure what you are, go to http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html This is the link for a religous quiz which will help you determine which faith your religous beliefs are closest to. Be 100% honest in you answers (not what you THINK you should say). My husband was raised Catholic but he has not been happy with his religion for several years, He took the test and found out he belonged in a different part of the Christian religion. He changed churches and he is happy and at peace now. I hope this helps you.
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27 Jan 07
thank you but I do not believe a quiz is going to set me straight on what I am or what I am not. I only believe it what God tells me and he has given me nothing but green lights to follow my chosen path. I have been blessed with so many visions, some profound and God has spoken to me and I know that I am on the right path, be it a stony rocky path. I love God so much my goal is to please him, no quiz is going to do that for me, but thank you.
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@SamiJaye (74)
• United States
27 Jan 07
Honey, honey, honey !!! Whilst I LOVED "Charmed" and watched the last 5 seasons {I absolutely LOVE their house!} If you are Christian, the Bible specifically forbids any form of witchcraft, sorcery, that we are to give NO room to the devil. Ezekiel 13:20 Daniel 5:7~8 Leviticus 19:31; 20:6; Isaiah 8:19; 19:3 1 Sammuel 15:23; 28:5~20 EPHESIANS 4:27 Once you open the door to the enemy by practicing anything connected with him, you give him license to come into your life and MESS IT UP !!! No no, get out of that please. God forbids this !!! It has nothin to do with Catholics, or any other *religion* ... God Himself forbids it
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27 Jan 07
Smiles. If God forbids my practicing what his son gave us the tools to do, why does God keep giving me green lights and telling me to push ahead on my path. When you can touch someone and heal their pain, or they can smile again through their pain, or you are there when you need them. When you do nothing but good and do no wrong and follow the Wiccan Rede, which is very similar to our 10 commandments how can that evil sweetie. Don't worry I know my path and I have chosen it and I walk in Gods grace.
@algie123 (289)
• Philippines
28 Jan 07
I think the special gift that you have is accepted but the practice of the wicca is not.
• Australia
28 Jan 07
Any religion which creates laws and rules is blocking the spiritual, social and cultural development of the peoples who follow it. By watching Charmed you have infused your thoughts with the idea of witchcraft and magic. If a church sermon goes for one hour, the same length as an episode of charmed, doesn't that mean they are about on the same level of influence upon your experience? I'm not sure how god can forbid anything, but the best way to stop your children burning things it to keep matches out of the house. Maybe we need matches for a reason. Remember religious systems, chrisitanity, the bible, the koran, wicca, even the Zoroastiranists were created by man. The world was created by god. Which should we learn from?
@Ravenladyj (22937)
• United States
27 Jan 07
To answer your question right up front yes they can mix and quite well....One of my dearest friends is a Catholic Wiccan and has been for a few yrs now...Yes the Catholic Church and its followers would most likely condemn you to hell BUT the ways of the Catholic Church are extremely outdated and more than that...only YOU can decide your fate so to speak.....There isnt one single soul inside or outside for that matter, the Catholic Church who can define your relationship with any higher power..As my Catholic Wiccan friend says, its a relationship between HER and GOD and they have an understanding and thats whats important.... Religion to me isnt so different from parenting really...Nobody and I mean NOBODY knows better than I do how to raise my children properly...they are MY children...Religion and spirituality is the same thing....NOBODY knows your soul, heart, mind etc better than you because they are YOURS and yours alone....so YOU are the only one who knows what is right for you....See what i'm saying?
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27 Jan 07
Your friend seems very wise, thank you, and you are absolutely right, for at the end of my days I will meet my maker, God and it is as you say between me and him. Thank you.
@algie123 (289)
• Philippines
28 Jan 07
But are you afraid what god might say to you?
@Ravenladyj (22937)
• United States
28 Jan 07
I dont think God would feel negative about it at all in fact I honestly think that he would be pleased she has decided to do things in a way that works for her and brings her closer to him rather than following the masses who in all reality arent "getting it" and have pretty much made a mess of what he is about etc
@emeraldisle (13145)
• United States
27 Jan 07
I was raised Roman Catholic but I had many problems wth the doctrine I was taught. The main one being that even if a person led a good life they were condemned to hell if they did not believe that Jesus was the son of God. That never seemed right with me. That and there was no balance in the church. It was and still is a male dominated religion. Women are subjucated and are often belittled by stating that all evil resides in them and it springs forth from there. I began to read up on other religions. Most of the Christian ones continued to have problems for me. Although some were more lenient towards women they still had similar thoughts. I began to look at Paganism and there I found what I'd been missing. Balance more then anything. The belief that there is a god and goddess, that women as well as men have good and evil mixed within them, and that women can be more. Do I still believe in the teachings of Christ? Yes I do. They had some great lessons in them. I personally believe all the gods are there, they all exist, it's just how we precieve them and worship them that changes. Whether you call them God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit or if you call them Dianna, Zues, etc. They are all there and they listen. They know that not everyone can see them the same way. That humans are not able to at this time to accept them in any one clear cut way. So yes I think you can be a Christian and a Wiccan without a problem. Being Catholic might be harder but if you wanted to be you could. The only reason I say it will be harder is because of how the Catholic Church is and how to condemns anyone who questions or does not follow blindly their beliefs. I just wouldn't expect the Church to agree with what you do.
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@Ravenladyj (22937)
• United States
27 Jan 07
"I just wouldn't expect the Church to agree with what you do." very true..but in all reality IMO the Church doesnt NEED to agree with it..as long as she is straight with God or whatever higher power etc then thats whats important....
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@judyt00 (3504)
• Canada
27 Jan 07
My grandmother was Anglican and a witch because she could heal people without conventional medicine. Of course, that was before wicca came into being, and even when it did, she was decidedly against it(wicca) since its just a mishmash of many of the olde beliefs. And I hate to disillusion you, hon, but gypsies don't have any gift other than that of the sleight of hand. If you want to be wiccan, do so, but don't be saying that you have any special gifts because of it. Its just another new religion, just like Pentecostal. Except that Wicca attracts naive little girls wanting to make some guy fall in love with them, not realizing that the 'spells' they cast just may keep them unloved for life.
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
28 Jan 07
Where are you from Algie? I wonder what land is ravaged by witches.
@Ravenladyj (22937)
• United States
28 Jan 07
"And I hate to disillusion you, hon, but gypsies don't have any gift other than that of the sleight of hand" Sorry but that is not true...one of my best friends/the aunt of my kids is from a long line of Romanian Gypsies and its not slight of hand at all..I think you are confusing movies with reality (no offence)...
• Philippines
28 Jan 07
I find it funny, absurd even that you should think the Catholic church should 'accept'Wicca. I mean they don't even 'accept' Islam because it is their 'rival'. besides I do think the Wiccan community is, no offense, not that significant in terms of numbers that the catholic church would want a relationship with them.
• Australia
28 Jan 07
I don't think it's really a question of the Catholic Church 'accepting' anything. History shows that this will not happen. All formal systems, Catholic, Muslim, Shinto, are in 'oppositions' to other systems. This is something I believe is wrong. It is politicizing spirituality to say 'you have broken God's Rules' because these rules are made by men in positions of power within these religious communities. There is no need for a relationship between the two institutions. The relationship happens inside within the individual. Somebody who is a stickler for Catholic rules would be unable to see the value in other belief systems teachings and that is their choice. I mean the Catholic Church has some stringent rules which are obviously broken all the time by its members, so you have to wonder how important some of their rules are in reality.
@algie123 (289)
• Philippines
28 Jan 07
Its my first time to hear about wicca. but if you tell me that you like to packed up a two religion in your life you must think first off course. Two religion in your life is known as polytheism am i right? and this is one the prohibition of our lord jesus.
@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
28 Jan 07
No. Polytheism is the belief in multiple Gods not religions.
• United States
31 Jan 07
One thing I have learned along the way on my own path is that in order to believe in anything, you must educate yourself. In so doing, I have discovered many things about history that is not told to us by the church, because they would lose many parisheners. Take note that just about every christian and jewish holiday are based on pagan holidays. Christmas, (Dec 25) for example, was the birthday of Mithra, the sun god, worshipped some 4,000 years BCE. Passover was actually a pagan ceremony, where the peasants would smear the blood of their best sheep over the threshold or gates of their homes as a sacrifice to the gods. If you use the Bible as your only source of historic information, you are doing yourself a big disservice! For instance, how is it that the Bible is the only source of historical information that there was a King Solomon, an Abraham, etc. When that country was surrounded by other countries (Egypt, Arabia, Asia, etc) who kept records, none have any accounts of having dealt with anyone by these names. Nothing, nada. I'm not saying to discount the Bible, but to use it as a tool along with many others to find your own truth. Hope this helps.
@lowey01 (223)
• Philippines
30 Jan 07
Some people in our country pray to different saints for different kinds of prayers and believes that the saints would answer their prayers. That is one thing, I believe, is the wrong doing of catholic churches here in our country. I don't know about other countries. It diverts them from praying to God directly, and mentioning one of the ten commandments, "though shall not pray into graven images", praying to saints images is obviously wrong. But there are plenty of statues of saints in our catholic churches, which people would face and pray.
@onesiobhan (1330)
• Canada
30 Jan 07
Well, the Catholic God wants you to not serve any other, and being of the Wicce requires that you pledge to serve the Gods of the Wicce. I would think it would it would be really hard to keep one's vows if you tried to follow both paths.
@shiboleth (270)
• Canada
30 Jan 07
You cannot combine worship of God with worship of Satan. You should give up the path of witchcraft and devote yourself to God, or your soul will be endangered.
@stephcjh (32327)
• United States
28 Jan 07
Hello. I pretty much think it is to each their own. I'm sure there are alot of things that have been mixed and some things worked out and some didn't. I try not to judge anything. We will never knows if something works unless we try it and see.
• Singapore
28 Jan 07
I believe Jesus would say that it's not about whether Wicca and Catholic can mix, or Islam and Christianity can mix or a host of other questions that touch on a person's choices, whether it be in 'religious' beliefs, the clothing a person wears, his/her diet, choice of studies, of abode, etc... I believe Jesus would not get into any academic, theological analyses of religious beliefs that get everyone 'stuck' on their own justification. Opinion is ok, he might say, but, it's the tone with which we purvey our opinion that matters. Do we sound imposing? The 'line' is thin where opinion on basic matters and analyses on deep things of God lie. I don't claim to know that 'line' all the time, and here's where I may begin to stray and offend, without knowing. I'm pretty sure though we aren't to kill each other or knowingly harm others. Even if anyone would enter into a deep study of God or religion, we might first learn to accept others beliefs while not holding too tightly to our own. The 'line' is thin. Do we know when to stop, withdraw, and/or apologize when needed? I'm not sure I want to enter into any dialogue about the 'deep' things of God/religion when the basics are not adhered to, like, being able to wear what I like without being judged, and such things. People generally are poor listeners. And poor listeners are necessarily opinionated. Even I had to learn how to listen first before I interrupt or give my own 2-cents worth. I hope this helps...
• Philippines
28 Jan 07
move on sister! dont feel guilty, believe in God and do what you think is right for your faith.
• United States
28 Jan 07
I think you should stick with one religion or the other. I do not think you can or should have two religions going on at once. Decide which is more important to you, being Catholic, or being Wiccan. That way once you have decided, you can focus on it more and it won't create any problems.
• United States
28 Jan 07
Hello to all. I would like to say. That i do not judge anyone for what they belive. But to be fair. The Catholic church is not the only one that would judge you for becoming a wicca. I do believe all churches would. Yes i am Catholic. And i may not agree with your faith in which you fallow. I am not your judge. And you are not mine. And its ok that we dont agree. But if we can respect each other. And love one another. Then we both are doing what god wants us to. With all the problems in the world at the moment. How wonderful it would be ,if we could show kindness to a stranger. To tell someone you dont even know, I care. Or buy that stanger a cup of coffee. Or lunch. What a better place it would be. Sorry we dont agree. But i do care. And if i ran into you, i would buy you a cup of coffee. Take care