American Media,,,, Especially FOX!!

@tomfade (134)
Norway
February 7, 2007 2:39pm CST
I saw this documentary made by some english guys I think. It evolves around how americans get brainwashed and only hear about the positive news concerning president Bush and the war in Iraq. It gives a really clear picture that people watching fox only watch a cencored, "we only tell you the good things" news channel. Whcih I think is really bad. It was because fox is owned by people who also a pro-Bush, so they will not even allow critic or REAL facts about the war etc, that puts President Bush in a bad light. For example Bill O,Reilly which struck me as a complete maniac, got so mad he cursed out a guest, who merely discussed the war and the money involved, that Bush had some hidden agenda or something. He got completely crazy. As a european myself we get the full coverage of this matter, both the bad and the good, which allows me to make up my own mind about Pres.Bush and his crusade. Is,nt it kinda sad that millions of americans buy all this without questioning the war, pres.Bush or USA reputation outside the US. I would call this brainwashing at very high level. Some friends of mine recently visited Texas, and came into a politics discussion, people got really mad, just because the told the truth about Bush, and how people in the world saw him,, Oh NO, they didn,t want to hear that at all. Maybe they couldn,t and wouldn,t admit that their Glorious President, whom they had seen hours of constructed "fan" footage of could be like this........ Hopefully more and more Americans will wake up and see the whole picture, the bigger picture. Am i right or wrong? plz respond..
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@misskatonic (3727)
• United States
7 Feb 07
First of all, most Americans consider Fox News to be a joke. Between the mangled grammar, uniformed anchors and biased stories, we don't give it much credence. We've come up with dozens of nick names for it, the most popular being Faux News and F*** The News. Since that's what they do. We aren't all mindless drones who just accept what the news tells us. There are those that do, but it certainly isn't the majority of us. Second, media brainwashing and political propaganda has been around in most countries since the invention of the media. This isn't anything new. It's a long standing tradition that almost every government has utilized at least once. It's not going to stop anytime soon, either. But with the internet and the free international exchange of ideas, its harder for it to work. Our own news isn't the only information we have access to.
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@tomfade (134)
• Norway
7 Feb 07
hehe, good to hear. I got scared to a degree that most americans really trusted this news channel called "FAUX" news.Ofcourse I wouldn,t categorize americans that they are all like this, but many still are I guess. ANd yes, it makes it harder for governments to do this, people are not stupid and as trusting as they used to, trusting I mean... So internet etc really expands the minds of people, helps them to make their own choices and beliefs.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Actually, Fox is the #1 cable news network. Fox News presents the same news, just with different wording, just like the other stations do. I cannot agree that they lie and are uninformed. What about the AP's false story about he 6 Sunni's burned in Iraq and the 4 destroyed mosques during the "Iraq civil war" hype? What about Rathergate? You can't say anything about journalistic integrity, since simple bias is part of every news source, Fox News just gets singled out because it is the only one to go against the grain, especially in a liberally dominated business.
• United States
7 Feb 07
I'm not saying other news stations aren't just as bad - there's bias in every single news source anywhere. All of them have their biases and skew the news to their own ends and agendas. That's just how it works. But I do find FOX to be laughable in their coverage - not just of the big things, but of everything. My views on Fox News are the same as they were from before Bush was in power. They seem to follow the so-called Laws Of Grabbing Journalism to a letter that's just crazy. They don't report news, they report drama. Which is fine, it gets the ratings. People watch it. But I consider them relatively unprofessional and skewed - not to the right or the left, mind you, just skewed in what they will and won't cover and how the cover it.
@Cephoozee (374)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I'll cut you some slack because you don't live in the states..but I think you should know that most of the news doesn't say ANYTHING good about the President. I don't know where you get this idea that we all love Bush..he has only a 30something percent approval rating. Again, I understand because you don't live here, but not since Reagan have I seen so many bands writing political music, which, by the way has become trendy..or so many t-shirts depicting Bush as the devil or Hitler. I don't think any American's "buy" into any of this good publicity, either. ^.^ Hope I've broadened a horizon or whatever. God bless!!
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@tomfade (134)
• Norway
8 Feb 07
thanks for your reply. Maybe I got the picture a bit wrong. It seems that a much larger portion of americans stand up and think for themselves, which I love. Let,s just hope the next election is "clean" and the people choice wins.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
9 Feb 07
You obviously had the picture very wrong, with so many people exposing how it is the exact opposite. "Clean"? What was "unclean" about the last elections? I know you might not be familar with our media, but are you familiar with our civic system either?
@AmbiePam (50702)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Since you are European I guess I'll overlook you blanket characterization of our media. ALL we hear is negative things about Bush. Nothing has been positive in the last 4 years of his Presidency, according to the media. I don't care if you have satellite and get Fox News, you sure aren't seeing all the news outlets and you're not even watching all of FOX News, because they sure can stick it to him when he does something wrong. And Rupert Murdoch owns FOX News, no way is he a conservative. FOX News just doesn't put a liberal slant on things. They feel free to give negative comments when they are due, but that's how it is. Bill O'Reilly is Catholic and if you think he is bias, maybe it is because he is acting on his Catholic beliefs. Our media is not like the media in Egypt, or Saudi Arabia where their media is government control. Most of the U.S. doesn't even like Bush, so where you are getting your information, is, gasp! very bias in itself.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I'm so glad that people spoke up to get the "truth" out and make the real situation clear. +'s all over.
@Rittings (673)
8 Feb 07
I think you are right dude. It really is about times our pals the Yanks got a hold on reality and woke up a little. I don't necessarily think it's right to blame your president when it's the American people who voted him in hehe. You made your beds, and you gotta sleep in em now dude. But I do appreciate that the media control our worlds. They really ought to be answerable to a lot of problems in our societies. Great discussion pal :)
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• United States
8 Feb 07
I guess that along with not thinking of most cable channels as news stations when they are really entertainment based , we need to stop believing British Intelligence reports about WMD and going to War based on that info.
• United States
7 Feb 07
Most Americans get their news from tv and it's very hard to convince them that there are more thorough and less biased sources. Fox News is pretty much of a joke among Americans who've kept themselves informed about what's really going on, but it's still very popular and considered a legitimate news source. It's been caught with its pants down several times, with smears and distortion of the facts, but believers will always remain believers. Very few Americans approve of Bush and the Iraq war any more, but it certainly took them long enough to start waking up.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Could you provide a source about their pants being down? And your opinion of Fox News is rather pretentious, perhaps you feel that way because you disagree? Or doesn't it work that way went considering people that aren't ignorant rednecks that watch Fox?
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• India
8 Feb 07
Rather then brainwashing i think it is hiding the things out and now showing the things which should have been shown...see...Every leader does something which may offend some way or another to some people. No leader can make happy all the people together and there is bound to have some critics and contradictory statements. But then all the things should be shown which really happened and hence it should not be hidden.
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• United States
8 Feb 07
As a member of the working press for some 30-plus years, let me set a few things in perspective. By and large, your view of Fox pretty much accurate, but the huge bulk of broadcast media is brutally anti-Bush and was equally pro-Clinton during the previous administration. The statement that "millions of Americans buy all this without questioning the war" is simply wrong. Despite any efforts by Fox to sway American opinion toward Bush, it is not working because the war in Iraq is unwinnable no matter how much force is used. The better option is to move out of the Sunni Triangle and let the two sides of the Iraqi civil war destroy each other. They certainly do not need our help. Better to help the Kurds get their new nation, Kurdistan, established to the north (currently the most stable part of the country as the Kurds are staunch American allies). To the south, let the Brits keep the oil ports open by staying to the coast and letting any idiots who want to kill each other in the interior go ahead and do so, withg our blessings. Just guard Basra and the oil fields (which have yet to see serious damage) and keep the pipelines operating. We can't do everything, but nwe can do some things, to keep the region from going up in smoke.
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Your second sentence made me laugh. To think that all Americans are brainwashed into supporting Bush is absolutely ridiculous. It is quite the opposite. If you were in America you would better be able to tell. Fox news may be biased to the right, but that seems perfectly fair to me since all the other stations are biased to the left.
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@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
7 Feb 07
And lets not forget the BBC, the completely unbiased source that even Americans trust. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770 I'd say the BBC isn't even as bad as MSNBC...
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@Ciniful (1589)
• Canada
7 Feb 07
The original post didn't say "all" ... you did. The poster never made that claim.
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@tomfade (134)
• Norway
7 Feb 07
I never said all americans, but you prove me right that some pro-bush people get angry and short fused around the truths about this matter. They just don,t stand criticism! I reallt doubt that all other channels are left biased, but I don,t live over there, so I couldn,t really tell.
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@KrisNY (7591)
• United States
8 Feb 07
First off- I don't know anyone who watches Fox News.. I get my information from CNN & MSNBC. You think we don't see bad? Let me guess.. Are you watching our stations with our news? I see bad everyday. Americans are brainwashed? Thats true gibberish. I for one am not brainwashed. I voted Bush in- I'm not pro-Bush or anti-bush.. Sure he has made some very bad decisions but he's also made some good ones too. Most Americans do not want to continue on with this war.. But we do support our soldiers. Always until each one is home! I wonder why US Americans feel the need to protect so many people (non-Americans) when they are being gassed, raped, murdered by their own people. Maybe we should stay out of it.. I guess if we did that - then I would call us brainwashed. Try watching CNN or MSNBC for news-- I wouldn't recommend FOX.. I then guarantee you will see people anti-Bush
8 Feb 07
I think all media brainwashes you into believing that what they are saying is true when it is only based on speculation sometimes. I thin people need to be aware also that it is only someones interpretation of what happened and not the truth. The media has a big responsinbility and I think they really take advantage of this by putting the news in a form that they think will make us keep watching rather than setting out the truth about what happened.
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@resasour (378)
• United States
9 Feb 07
We do get both sides of the story. Most of us did not vote for bush..BOTH times!! However, I believe he strong-armed his way into office...much like Saddam did, and since he is there, he is "taking over".. It was much to his benefit that the republicans were the controlling voters in the senate and congress... but we rallied and got that reversed... now democrats are the controlling vote and bush is getting much more opposition and much less support... Bottome line though is this... This is his last year in office... he can not be re-elected again which he knows. He is only staying in Iraq to get his greedy paws on the oil (allegedly protecting our interest) but his only interest is padding his own pocket... he has sent boat loads of money to fund iraq... did you hear about the some 12 billion that just mysteriously "disappeared"? he is lobbying now to get some 72 billion more over there.. he will not only bankrupt this country, he is also going to have everyone mad at us.. then when he gets out of office he and his family will go live in privacy...always "protected" by the US. He will never have to pay taxes, or live on our Social Security or Medicare system...these are systems he is taking money from to fund Iraq with.... so while "the rest of us" gets poorer and poorer he will live the life of a rich person... never knowing what it is like ot struggle... there are those that think he's just a good ol boy... but that man is evil... and America will pay the price for that for many years to come.... And Mr. Bush will be lucky if he does not end up a "target" himself.. but the oil companies love him..cause he is padding their pockets too... It is sick what he is doing...his own father disagrees with what he is doing.. but he doesn't care.. he has his own agenda.... He says you are with me or against me... sounds just like the other terrorists that we have dealt with in the past... I will be so glad to see him go....
@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
9 Feb 07
Bush won both elections, you don't have to lie about it because you aren't happy with it. You must not be familiar with the electoral college. And in 2004, he won the largest popular vote ever won. Strong armes his way into office? Puh-Leese. Padding his pockets? Please... That rhetoric is really old. Show some proof already, instead of blindly following the masses.
• Tajikistan
9 Feb 07
thank you sir! i totally agree with your comment to this ignorant persons response as well
@resasour (378)
• United States
10 Feb 07
there is nothing ignorant about my response, thank you very much... I was a resident in the state that the governor was a relative of good ol goerge..... I had my vote "hand counted, not once... not twice, but three times" and does it not seem strange to you that bush..who won by a SLIM margin... did so in a state, run by his son, and that it just so happened to be this state that all of a sudden had issues with the voting system? Gimme a break.... Talk about following the masses... Bush probably did win easy enough the first time around.. people thought he would be alot like his dad... he proved us all wrong though didn't he...
@vkkesu (78)
• United States
7 Feb 07
All Americans are not pro-Bush. Media is media is media. We have so many news channels nowdays that we can watch pro Bush news or against Bush news. Media coverage is to make money. They take some of the news and make it into something that will make people want to watch it. My husband is in the police force and interviewed by the media frequently. They take a 2-3 hr. interview and make it into a 2-5 minute clip. The newspapers and tv are there to make money and anyone who believes that 100 % of the truth gets out is just fooling themselves. Don't worry about us Americans. lol. We're not all that bad. Yes, some are so into their political party that they are unable to see the people behind them. Some will fight for their country and not really understand what their saying. In a perfect world, we would all have the truth complete, but everyone can see the same situation but explain it differently.
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@tomfade (134)
• Norway
7 Feb 07
you, re right about the media.Money is money. Action sells! I,m not looking for a perfect world, just that more people realized that a story has different sides, not to blindly trust what they,re told.
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@vkkesu (78)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I think or hope that the majority of people do. We forget that there are billions of people on this planet and everyone has a different situation. How and where they were raised will also change their perspective on life.
@sasquatch (111)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I totally agree with you.that is the same reason they are stealing tax payers money in iraq with private and ghost companies.NUFF RESPECT.
@tomfade (134)
• Norway
8 Feb 07
well, it,s a very difficult situation, but in retrospect, I guess many americans and Bush himself wishes he had done some things different. And the hidden agendas of this war are many, but do the public know half of them. It just seems unfair to americans to sacrifice lives as they do for this thing, this war. ..?
• United States
8 Feb 07
this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard!!! you must not get out much. who ever said that "americans buy all this without questioning the war" needs to pull their head out. have you not heard of all the people here who are UPSET about the war and want the troops pulled out?? we arent all supporting it!!! of course some of us are, but it doesnt meant we are brainwashed! and sooooo what if someone gets bent out of shape when Bush is put down by others, if someone supports him, then of course they will stand up for him. same with other presidents and leaders. you should really get your facts straight before you just go assuming things about people you obviously know nothing about. if you want to talk about someone being brainwashed, take a look at North Korea.
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• United States
8 Feb 07
and by the way, if our Country/president/media/whatever else you weird people think is bad here, then why is that so many people are wanting to come here, become citizens, take our jobs, money, and education?? there must be something good going on here that others are wanting. maybe all those people are "brainwashed".
@Ciniful (1589)
• Canada
7 Feb 07
I agree with you on some points, and disagree on some others. Fox is one of the most notoriously biased sites, when dealing with coverage regarding politics. At this point I think we expect some bias in every media source, but Fox tends to be especially bad for it, no doubt about it. However, we have to give Americans enough credit to know that they change the channel every now and then. ;) There are other news sources that give a bigger picture. Yes, there are still plenty of americans that support the president and his decisions regarding this war. But, there are plenty of them who don't. I'm just afraid that by the time the other side realizes what's going on, it will already be too late.
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@tomfade (134)
• Norway
7 Feb 07
I guess we think alike on some level, I too hope that people wake up before it,s too late. I also get an impression that in the post era of Michael Moore many americans question the government and the american way, which is really good, as the youth today are the people who will run USA in some time. Maybe I underestimated some americans as It seems that they have caught up with Fox and it,s "news".
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• Tajikistan
9 Feb 07
We only hear the good things on fox because you only hear about the bad things on other stations. Second of all, television is taking a look at the world through a set of two dimensional eyes. News on TV isn't news at all, the only reliable source of news we have left is in the papers. TV is too commercialized to consider it factual, and every person on EVERY news station that they interview is only trying to get their opinion across for the 10 seconds they have on air, and nothing is discussed, only argued, and thus we learn absolutely nothing about anything.
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@carlaabt (3505)
• United States
8 Feb 07
I would be really mad if someone from another country came in and tried to tell me that they knew more about Bush than I do, too. I don't blame the Texans for getting mad at your friends. Do you think we don't know that there are a lot of people that don't agree with him? Even those of us who do support him, know that not everyone does. And to support Bush doesn't mean that we are brainwashed by the media. Any leader has flaws. They are people, too. Are your leaders flawless? No. I think that a lot of our anti-Bush people are the ones that need to wake up and see the bigger picture, too. Should we have gone to war in Iraq, maybe not. Should we help to stablize them now that we have created a bigger mess? Most definitely. We need to take responsibility for our actions. Pulling out now will not help the Iraqi people. Whether or not it was a good idea to start with is not the issue we are facing now. We now have to either stay and clean up the mess we started or pull out and leave it worse than it was when we entered. Neither is a good choice. But in my opinion, cleaning up after ourselves is the better option. And I do understand that we are not going to be able to right their country. But there are parts of their country that are genuinely happy to have help in setting up their government. I think they deserve our help. But hey, what do I know? After all I am a brainwashed Bush supporter who only watches Fox news, right?
@Pekachu (1114)
• United States
8 Feb 07
well its not working on me i gues it works on those people that believe everything they hear and see on tv .war is war its terrible and it needs to stop
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8 Feb 07
Perhaps you have a point but personally I'm getting really fed up with the rampant anti-Americanism in the press in Europe and here in the UK. The BBC's motto seems to be: America bad; suicice bombers good. For all of its flaws, America remains the one nation the West needs to look to in order to defend our values in the face of a totalitarian threat emanating from the Arabian peninsula. Who else is going to stand up and be counted? France? Not likely..
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@plantit1 (298)
• United States
8 Feb 07
Brainwashed! You maybe have no idea how brainwashed society as a whole is. We get brainwashed from the beginning of birth. We only start to see the truth of this world when we do wake up from this dream. People walking around asleep. I say we should question everything. Our beliefs are injected into us from people of good intention but are asleep themselves. This world is so crazy and backwards. But when we do finally awaken we just laugh at it all. People are ignorant. And fully awake people know that nothing can really happen to anyone. The belief that it can is one example of brainwashing.
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