Will India and China be the last nail in the planet's coffin?

Australia
February 11, 2007 10:52am CST
Human life = energy use Energy use = pollution and climate change In 1973 we used 6,035 million tonnes of oil equivalent. in 2006 we used 11,059 million tonnes. But that was while half the planet was still living in the 18th century with low energy use. Now with the emergence of India and China moving towards the 21st century... instead of our energy use doubling by 2040... thanks to the 3 billion people from India and China... it will multiply by more than 5 to reach 62,000 million tonnes by 2040. Just to stabilise our climate change... we need to cut our energy use by half... and bring it back to 1973 level. Any suggestion?
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• United States
11 Feb 07
People really have trouble reading, don't they. The US and Australia are both big offenders, and I certainly don't see that most Americans are going to change any time soon. So, given our (Americans) continued contributions, I'd have to say that the entrance of China and India into the I-want-what-everybody-else-has race, they're going to be a huge influence taking us further in the wrong direction. They have huge populations that are continuing to grow rapidly, and they are building on outdated technologies that are primary carbon producers, like China's projected coal-burning power plants.
• India
12 Feb 07
Well, I certainly would say the US (cant say abt Australia 'coz have read up any data on Aus) has the credit of putting the first few nails in the planet's coffin. Vitually everything that pollutes (from ACs that left CFC to cars to huge factories/power plants, computers, which is leading to enormous e-waste to what have you) was there in America first, and promoted in big way through Europe before they came to Asia. Anything that Asia comes up with that might potentially increase pollution, the US can always say "Been there, Done that"!!
@fizzytom (752)
• Maribor, Slovenia
12 Feb 07
The sad fact is it is India and China; yes the USA are the chief creators of the pollution and contribute most to the greenhouse gases but it is the industrialisation in India and China which is now tipping the balance. However, I do believe that these nations have the right to industrialise like western nations although it seems that a big part of it is those nations whshing to have what other more developed nations have - excatly what is being revealed as part of the reason for climate change, etc. For example - mobile phones, cars, flat screen televisions, convenience foods, and so it goes on. All the things we are saying are bad for the environment or bad for our health are things people acquiring greater spending power in the developing nations are demanding. I would like to see a decline in the buying of flimsy, ephemeral and quickly obsolete and updated items for a start. We throw away too much and buy too much. That should make a petty decent impact to start
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@fizzytom (752)
• Maribor, Slovenia
12 Feb 07
No I don't think that but what has happened has happened and we should make positive plans for the future - NOT accuse each other of who started it, etc. It is too late to undone what the rich industrialised countries like the United States and European ones; the original poster said that those countries are undoubtedly responsible. BUT the person who asked the question says do you think it will make any difference to reduce emissions now - he asks if it is too late since more countries than ever are building factories and power plants, etc. Why not have a go at answering the question instead of attacking the person who asked it?
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• India
12 Feb 07
so you think all the facilities and industrialisaton should be there in the western counttries and to compensate that all the greenery and vegetation should be there on the asian side.
@Zebrochka (333)
• Brazil
11 Feb 07
Well, the point is that even today with the current population of India and China, the biggest consumer of energy resources in the world and the biggest polluter of our planet is still the USA. And guess what, the USA population hasn't been diminishing neither. So, this way, I guess, the USA is still the number one canditure for putting the last (and the biggest) nail into our planet's coffin.
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
It will be wise to propagate to the growing nations the use of natural power sources which include: the sun for solar power, the windmills for energy and water supplies, and water for energy, too. We have vast natural resources to harness. It has been inculcated in my mind though, that the propagation of their uses has not been maximized because the oil producing and more powerful countries in this world are not keen in their full utilization. Let us bear in mind, that these growing countries, as well as, all countries belonging to the third world, are all under the dictates of these powers to reckon with.
@davaoguy (319)
• United States
11 Feb 07
I don't think so. The problem of overpopulation is global and i do not think pointing fingers at two countries is unfair. Everyone should take responsiblity and educate everyone with regards to the harm that overpopulation, global warming and poverty. I agree that we should minimize energy use but it's not only India and China, but everyone should participate in this advocacy. Have you known that United States uses more energy than China? It's because they have more appliances, more vehicles and more factories than China.
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• Australia
11 Feb 07
If you consider that India and China hold almost half of the world population... I don't think it is unfair at all. And while they have not been a problem until now... they are on the move. In 20 years time... China and India will be using as much as the rest of the world.
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@fanilest (18)
• China
12 Feb 07
India and China both are developing countries,they have the right of development and they did not give out much CO2 in total before now.
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• Australia
12 Feb 07
I did not say that they had no right to do so. I am merely pointing out what will happen when they do excercise that right. Who knows? Maybe India and China are a lot smarter than the West and will use windmills instead of oil and coal.
@aksagi (413)
• India
12 Feb 07
Its not the root cause dear....that 3 billion people are not making so much destruction of resources as the remaining creed of whites doing on the fair name of their superiority... Most of the pollutants are from the developed nations not from the developing ones...... Solely asian brigade can't be blamed....... Destructions done on the fair name of the brionging peace in various countries by American Macho image clearly shows that its leading to more disasterous n early results............. Only Suggestion is ::::: LIVE N LET OTHERS LIVE.
@fizzytom (752)
• Maribor, Slovenia
12 Feb 07
The person who started the thread is not denying that countries like USA, Britain, Australia, etc have caused the problem. However, the question should be asked - if countries like India and China are allowed to industrialise in the same way, will it be impossible to stall climate change?
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• Canada
12 Feb 07
I don' t think that we can point the finger at India and China. After all - they only want what the west has had for years. If we, in the west, did not live in such disgusting excess of our needs, then we wouldnt' be setting the pace for the rest of the world to follow. I welcome the day when we have no choice but to cut back our energy use.
@ogtuwan (312)
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
I truly agree with you... Instead of putting other people to blame... start acting as responsible individual and try figuring things up on our own way...
@pix_trix (447)
• India
12 Feb 07
it is very sad to see people starting off discussions about such topics without getting their facts right! this is probably the third or fourth discussion that i am responding today that is absolutely baseless and no research about the topic has been done before posting. Firstly, for your infomation, the last nail in the planet's coffin is and has been USA since the very beginning. the USA along with other countries signed the Kyoto protocol, which states that all countries will reduce their greenhouse gases emissions by 6%, but after signing it and agreeing to it, USA pulled out of the agreement and its emissions increased to more than 15% above 1990 levels. As far as India and China are concerned, they have an emission level much much lower than USA! despite the economic growth in china, their emissions have been cut by 17% since the 1990s the USA has just 4.6% of the world population and it contributes about 24% in CO2 emissions... Europe has about 6.3% of the world population and contributes 14% in emissions China has 21% of world population and contributes just 13% of emissions! i have got these facts from http://www.vexen.co.uk/USA/pollution.html
@pix_trix (447)
• India
12 Feb 07
my dear friend, have you read what i have posted? USA is not sitting back! inspite of the agreement signed, they have had a tremendous increase in emissions, whereas in the case of china, they ve had a huge economic growth, but their harmful emmissions have gone DOWN by 17% since the 1990s. cant you read or is it that you dont want to read? with their economic growth USA is also increasing their pollution levels, whereas it is the opposite in the case of india and china, where the emissions are decreasing with the increase in economic activity! get your facts right!
@fizzytom (752)
• Maribor, Slovenia
12 Feb 07
I said "Should" be holding back - I did not say it is happening. It is patronising to call people "my dear friend" BTW
• India
12 Feb 07
well, your concerns are appreciated.. but no point in blamming someone.. China has got a law where u cant have more then 1 child.. similarly India has got a law.. not to have more than 2 child, and also now India has got a standard called Bharat III, all vehicles has to pass that test before getting into market, and also more and more vehicles are becoming CNG, India uses lot of bio-gas as well resulting lesser pollution.
@ogtuwan (312)
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
I truly agree
@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
12 Feb 07
Though the population has increased, still not many of them have access to oil equivalents considerably. But they do use some easily available sources like woods. So, the impact is not larger. It is advisable to use natural sources but solar energy receptors etc are not so cheap that a growing country may afford them in a large scale. Better if developed country use these as their prime source of energy. Population brings the problem of land to live on. You have to displace people to get water-energy. It's not so easy for these congested countries....
@itgalary (633)
12 Feb 07
I think your thought is not true.. The worlds largest polluter is the USA. Being a developed country and having so many new technologies, they dont know to stop the pollution.. Moreover, the US are the highest consumers of petrol/diesel products.. They are a growing threat towards global warming.. India or China being the largest populated country doesnt mean that they are using the resources.. Countries like UK invaded countries like India and looted their resources.. Even now, countries like UK and all are rich because of the resources from countries like India.. Today the world is developing because of the manpower from the developing countries like India and China.... US and UK, the world's most developed countries, needs the manpower from India or China for their technological advances..
@fizzytom (752)
• Maribor, Slovenia
12 Feb 07
The person who started the thread is not saying that India and CHina use more - they are saying that if China and India start to do what other already develoed natins have done in the past, will it be too late to reverse or stall climate change. You have missed the point
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• India
12 Feb 07
It seems like he is saying "we have developed using wrong means, you shouldn't try that; better remain developing" LOL
@itgalary (633)
12 Feb 07
yes.. definitely... the person who started the thread, said that India and China will use more resources in the future, coz of its growing population.. I just wanted to clarify by saying that people are forgetting the present.. even now, india and china are the most populated countries.. but who is using the most amount of natural resources?? as one of the friends here said, are people saying that India and China should stop their development process or the technological advancements??
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• India
12 Feb 07
frist of all i think this discussion is against mylot guidelines.you should not point anyone like that and specially when you know that maximum number of users are from india here. and about population of these two countries,is the manpower of them if u think positively. to improve the community first you have to improve yourself..as everyone knows still america and australia are the top polluting countires.
• Australia
12 Feb 07
Like most... you only read the title and are too lazy to read what the story is all about. Do you know how frustrating that is?
• India
12 Feb 07
do not blame me....its you who have started this controversial discussion...and feel good i have not rated this
• India
12 Feb 07
it is usa not india & china
• China
12 Feb 07
i agree
@nangel78 (1454)
• United States
12 Feb 07
It is not just India and China. We all have to do our part to help with the environment. Placing the blame on just two countries will not solve anything in the long run.
• India
12 Feb 07
I do not agree at all what is said. India ans China are developing countries with vast population. They have to look for them or they will be doomed. Given the fact that these two contries contributes for half of the world's population what do you think is better? U.S. with just a small fraction of poupulation emitting most of the population or china and indai with most of the population emitting less polution than U.S. Its not at all fair pointing at these two countries. They should induct new technologies to reduce emission but what are developed countries doing. Each and every country has right to prosper.
@ogtuwan (312)
• Philippines
12 Feb 07
It is your opinion, I respect that. But I think we should stop putting other people to blame... We are all responsible on what is happening or whatever will happen. So instead of acting like "who's who..." I think it is better to start conserving energy in our own way... Have a nice day!
• China
12 Feb 07
We all love our planet,so,energy problem is everyone,every country's problem.We're developing,energy consumption is inevitable.India and China do very big effort inthe respect of saving an energy.Make the erath harmonious is our common responsibility