Do You Think Illegal Aliens Have Rights Any Rights In The United States

@onabreak2 (1162)
United States
February 11, 2007 6:52pm CST
I work in downtown Portland and this summer the Illegal Spanish people had parades and protests in front of the building where I work. They were carrying the Mexican flag and signs that said we have rights too. Since they came here illegally I do not feel they have rights. They lost that right when they came to our country illegally. I work with Spanish people who are citizens of the United States and did it legally. Some of them get upset about this too and others wont say because they are after all spanish and are torn about it. I think that the protest was very disrespectul and brought to our attention just how many illegals there are in the United States and in our area alone. They said we cant survive without them. That the economy would go broke. So they did not shop at the stores for a day in protest. The only thing that happened was the shop lifting rate went down. This whole thing has gotten out of hand with all of the illegals here not just from Mexico but other countries. What do you think should be done about this.
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@boeyong (256)
• Malaysia
12 Feb 07
There is a reason why there are "citizens", "legal immigrants" and "illegal aliens". "Illegal Aliens" are people who steal across borders without legal permission from the government of the country they go to and of course, they cannot and can never be treated as equals with citizens and legal immigrants. In Malaysia, we catch and deport a lot of such people. The rule of thumb is, if you want to go to any country either to work or stay indefinitely past what you are permitted to under the visit pass or visa granted, you have to apply to the government of that country for a legal status and permission to stay on. I seem to think the US government is still sleeping when it comes to knowing who really has rights and who doesn't.
@boeyong (256)
• Malaysia
12 Feb 07
I cannot get the logic of a poster who claims illegal alients should be treated well because they are humans. It is like saying, that if a robber or thief comes to your house to steal, then he has the right to ask you to offer him breakfast, lunch and dinner and a room to stay, to boot! Will you do that because the thief or robber is a human?
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
There is no logic in it and they are blind. I was too till I see how they are. They want it all. But they dont want to get it the way it is supposed to be done.
@urbangirl (1461)
• Australia
12 Feb 07
Well - do you think YOU should be treated badly because your ancestors stole the country from Native American Indians or kept slaves? Illegal aliens are not the same as murderers or thieves. Who is harbouring them? Business and people who need cheap labour to keep the economy going and keep YOU in the lifestyle to which you are accustomed. Your economy is HEAVILY DEPENDANT on cheap labour. Why don't you just acknowledge that. I'm not blind - just realistic. You can deport them but they'll find a way to come back, so you may as well make them legal instead of wasting your energy on punishment when in reality your country has been exploiting them for many years.
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@Stringbean (1273)
• United States
12 Feb 07
A good start would be to enforce the laws we already have. I didn't really think too much about it until I saw pictures of Mexicans carrying our flag upside down under their flag. What gall, to do this in a country where they have been given all kinds of rights they really weren't entitled to in the first place. I couldn't believe the disrespect they are showing. A friend of mine refuses to buy anything from a store or restaurant run by Mexicans because of this protest. Since we can't tell if they are legal or illegal, maybe we should just assume they are illegal until something is done to enforce illegal entry into our country. The one we pay taxes to support; the one where benefits to many of our own citizens are being cut back because of the heavy load illegals are placing upon our country. Sorry for the rant, but that upside down American flag really got to me.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
The protest downtown Portland is what brought it to my attention. They were absolutely disrespectul and these people are marching on our streets and they are here illegally. What other country would tolerate that. I think they should have had a paddy wagon ready to collect them all and dump them back on their side of the fence. They think we owe them so much . I couldnt belive what they were shouting as they walked in front of our building. Really changed my mind and opened my eyes to what a lot of ungrateful ones that are here.
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• United States
12 Feb 07
I know, onabreak. I live in Springfield. I feel like I have been asleep for the last few years while this problem was gathering its forces. I used to pride myself on not having a prejudiced bone in my body. Things have changed, but I feel pretty helpless unless congress gets serious about enforcing laws at the border.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
I know it was a real eye opener for me. I still cant believe some of the things they were saying. Standing on a podium saying it too. Something has to be done about it and soon. I wonder if they acted like that in their country what would happen to them. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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@davaoguy (319)
• United States
12 Feb 07
They might not have the rights of citizenship, but I think they should be treated well enough as humans. i have read that illegal aliens is a big problem in the States because these people do not pay taxes and all. They should need to be brought back to their home countries and to be advised to obtain the necessary papers to be able to work in the States.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
I think that them being treated well is not an issue or they would not be flocking here. I do know that the Washington Country Jail is full of them out in Hillsboro. They are always robbing raping and comitting some kind of crime. Not all of them of course. But the illegal ones buy the express way back to Mexico when they do this. Still it is a drain on the tax payers money to have to take care of them while they are in there.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
They are treated well enough as humans. If they were not being well do you really think they would keep coming here in droves? They need to make their own country better instead of complaining about ours.
• United States
12 Feb 07
With all the paperworks and the wait I had to go thru to enter the US and become a legal citizen, I always think it is unfair that those who sneak into this country illegally are enjoying the programs offered by the government. The taxes that I paid are going thru all these programs that the illegals are enjoying. It is not that I hate them because they also wants a better life for themselves but what irked me is that they don't try to learn English that hard and expect the govt and the people to translate everything in Spanish. That is a burden to the govt itself spending millions just to have everything in Spanish and English translated. I really am for tough immigration laws and securing the border. Everyone who wants to come should go thru the same hassles...not just by sneaking in and then expecting the US gov't to offer them everything once they are here.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Yes it is unfair and they are a huge burden on the States that they are in. And it only gets worse as they have more and more coming across the border every day. The government needs to secure our border. Thank you for your comment.
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• United States
12 Feb 07
I don't think anyone should be able to work here unless they are a citizen. I think you should have to be a citizen to own property as well. Our country is being taken over. I think if you are going to earn a living here, you should be required to be a citizen here.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
That is the way it is supposed to be. But I guess they think that freedom means everything is free here.
• United States
12 Feb 07
No, No and No again. That is a very touchy subject for me. I had worked for the US government in Europe for 12 years before I came to the US. I came here legally (had also been married to an American for eight of these years) when after going though all the necessary paper work, paid taxes the same as any American, became a citizen the correct way. So why the hell should these illegals get anything for nothing, things that they didn't legally deserve or pay taxes for.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Exactly. You did it the right way. Why can they. Thank you for your comment.
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@Sawsen (795)
• United States
12 Feb 07
I think my question to you would be: What if someone there protesting was a relative of yours? And what if you were Mexican? I don't think you would like someone posting such a discussion. And to be honest, who determines legally or illegally. America was taken illegally. I'm sure you know enough history to know it wasn't a peaceful give and take experience. I don't think you should judge just because you're not in someone's shoes.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Well if they were giving stars for the worse answer you would be the winner.
@urbangirl (1461)
• Australia
12 Feb 07
Why is that the worst answer? The land was taken from the Native Indians, The US then invaded the north of Mexico to acquire more territory, slavery was used to build the economy and give you the lifestyle to which you are now accustomed...and yet you focus on an "illegality" which in effect keeps the US economy going even today. So what if they don't speak English - they will learn - do you speak any Native American tongues or Spanish, which have always been part of US history?
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• United States
13 Feb 07
Urbangirl, how did Australia get started? What problems are they having today with "illegal aliens", or do they just accept anyone who comes there illegally and give them all the benefits that citizens have?
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• United States
12 Feb 07
I myself am an immigrant who came here the legal way and i do not think ilegals should have any right whatsoever i took the time to do it right and so should they its like if I invite you to my home i would welcome you because i asked you but if you sneak in through the back door I expect the police to arrest you because you have no right to be there!
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
13 Feb 07
That is how I feel too. It has gotten completely out of hand. That is what the big problem is. They are disrespectul. Thanks for your comment
• United States
13 Feb 07
Well said, revdauphinee.
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• United States
12 Feb 07
Honestly, i feel like we're the freaking illegal aliens. I'm black and so obviously I'm the decendant of slaves somewhere down the line, who were brought here unwillingly. That was illegal. Then the European people who came to this country almost killed off an entire race of people either through violence or the spread of disease, and stole their land. These Mexican immigrants you speak of have ancestors who were Native American and lived on our land and Mexico's land without any borders. So techinically it's their land, so if they'd like to come over here and escape whatever issues they have in their country then who are you or anyone else to judge. Our laws are made up, just like whoever took over their land and put them out in the first place made that one up. It's not our land its the people's land, no one can really own it, we should be thankful for being allowed to stay here really. So what really what makes your point of view any more valid than the Native Americans who were either killed or disenfranchised in the first place, what the fact that now 400 yrs. have passed and now you feel like your point of view is somehow more valid?
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• United States
12 Feb 07
Not ALL Mexican immigrants are of Native American ancestry, so technically .... no ... this is not their land. I will; proudly agree; with it being Native American land, however. The poster is NOT suggesting that we don't welcome anyone from any other country just do it LEGALLY! If you want to live in another country then abide by the laws of the land! And, the laws state that you must go through processes to become a legal citizen. What is so very hard to comprehend with that???
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@NVMapper (115)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Neither of you are right, emminent domain is how ownership of land is decided. Without such a rule, everyone is homeless and it doesn't matter who owned it in the past. What is so terrible about not respecting eminant domain is that the previous nomadic cultures relics are abased and destroyed, not allowed recognition and this needs to be changed. No culture is permanent. Our government is for the people when the people stand up and show their intolerance of abuses, thats the validity of why everyone needs to be a citizen, legally now.
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@bam001 (941)
• United States
12 Feb 07
NO! Illegal aliens who decided to live in the U.S. should not have any of our rights. They have no right to employment, much less our money to send home. I don't know why immigration didn't go out during those parades and start arresting those who are here illegally. Our economy is NOT dependent on illegal aliens...if anything, our economy is suffering because of the illegal aliens it is forced to support. If we could get the leaders of our nation to be 100% supportive of maximum penalties to those who hire illegal aliens (then pay them --argh!) I think we would be much better off. It absolutely infuriates me to see people who can't even speak our language wiring money to relatives in other nations.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
13 Feb 07
I will never be able to figure out why when they were protesting in such massess while they were not all arrested and taken back to the border. I cant fault them though for wiring money home. I guess if I had my family back in a country I did not like I would do the same thing. It does burn me the fact they have taken jobs away from people here who would havde gladly done them Despite what the mexicans think. I didnt even realize how many of them were here till they had the protest march and I heard them shouting and telling us how we were old and afraod and stupid things like that. They were just awful. I think they brought a lot of negarive feeling on themselves.
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@chertsy (3805)
• United States
12 Feb 07
They don't have any rights. We need to be tougher on our laws. When they go for work, we need to suck it up and not hire them. Our economy is going broke from to many of illegal aliens not paying there taxes by getting there money from under the table. And these people that hire them, not having to report them to the IRS. It will catch up with them. We won't fully get this problem under control. We as Americans, and I mean a lot of us. Should go to Mexico and stage a protest like they did, and see how quick we will all get arrested, and we wonder why terrorists see's us as a weak country. We can't even rid it of people that don't even belong here.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
13 Feb 07
They are all not working here. The ones that arnt are robbing us and taking up space in our jails till they get sent back home. While they are here they are treated just as nice as anyone else is. But they take up all our resources. It is not fair how we pay tax's to pay for them to have babies . Among other things.
@Sageoak (36)
• United States
12 Feb 07
You cannot expect to have the rights of a citizen if you are not a citizen! This is the fault of local governments as well as the federal system. If the law was applied the people that hire illegals and those that rent to them must be fined according to the law but politicians are afraid to enforce the statutes. If there are no jobs and no place to live there would not be illegal aliens. I have nothing against aliens, my father came from Europe but he entered the U.S. legally and became a citizen as soon as possible. It was a matter of pride! The recent group of aliens don't pay taxes but use all the services. Then they go back to their country after they have sucked the system dry. I have no sympathy for those that cannot obey the law.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
14 Feb 07
Neither do I have any sympathy for them. They are illegal for petes sakes. Doesnt that say it all. They are a drain on every tax paying Citizen of this country.
• United States
12 Feb 07
Express humanity toward illegals yes. Give them the same rights we have as legal citizens no. Men & women of this country risk their lives & fight for our rights & freedom. It would be a slap in their faces; in my opinion; to give those rights and freedoms to anyone who is an illegal in this country.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
14 Feb 07
It is so wrong in so many ways. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
• United States
12 Feb 07
I agree with you 100%. It was interesting to see all of the Mexican flags flying in OUR COUNTRY last year. They came over illegally and DEMAND to have rights by stealing ours-there will be nothing left for us. As it is I don't know if I'll get Social Security after paying into it for years. But the illegals come to our country and demand AND get. Yes, some do contribute to a better society, BUT YOU'RE STILL ILLEGAL! This is United States of America not of MEXICO.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Yes that is a concern. Something needs to be done about it.
• United States
12 Feb 07
Illegal immigrants only have a right to legal representation from the consulate of their country. I don't like how illegals are coming here and helping themselves to our financial resources-social security, welfare assistance, and other means. I've noticed that immigrants from other countries tend to have the money to afford the costs to apply for citizenship. Mexico is so poor that many of them resort to crossing into the United States and getting lost in the system to where INS can't find them for years. It has to stop starting with our politicians who need to quit excusing this nonsense and sweeping it under the rug. A lot of the Mexican students at the college I am currently attending are products of Mexican immigrants some who came here legally and some who came here illegally. It's funny how they allow these mexican women to pump babies out like a bread factory only to give them automatic US Citzenship and she's not even a legal citizen. My best friend who's mexican even finds this disgusting since her grandparents came here legally and so did a good chunk of her family and yet she's even said half these immigrants bring their filthy habits and their nasty ways of life with them since she doesnt even patronize mexican businesses. It's the way Mexico is run it's so poor that many of the citizens there make about $3-5 a day unlike us we make $5.75 an hour if not more, but that's if we have adequate education to allow us to advance in the job market. Mexican immigrants claim this country will not function without them....yeah we can function without them if many of the large companies would stop outsourcing to other countries thus saving a lot of the jobs that Americans would keep if they would stop bringing in immigrant workers for less money. Most of them work the jobs we moved up from like low end whites and blacks would work as housekeepers and janitors because most of us didnt want to stay on jobs like that for 20 years or more. The economy would be fine if we stopped granting illegal immigrants access to our welfare programs, social security, and other public aid assistance. The system needs to be change to the point that they can work hand in hand with INS to verify status so that it's on record whether they're temporary or status pending or official citizens. This in turn will stop many of them from applying for benefits and they're not in the process of obtaining legal standing to live and work in this country. Many illegals are also resorting to buying stolen SSN's, and obtaining IDs through illegal means just so they can work which in turn hurts immigrants who come here legally to have to deal with those who don't want to abide by the law and apply legally like everyone else. This is why it's important that we as American citizens vote in every single election whether it's mayoral to Presidential because when we exercise our voice at the polls we're telling the people we put in office that we expect them to pass laws and enforce them for the greater good not to just allow immigrants to trot their happy tails into this country and set up shop like it's a new undiscovered island. I would get together with like minded people and address such a matter to your city's mayor and even the state governor because this needs to be brought to the table and to be treated as an important issue since this is getting out of hand not just in your home state,but all over the place and it has to stop.
@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
• United States
12 Feb 07
Illegals have the right to be treated like human beings...given basic human rights...but htey have no rights that a citizen has. That is just my opinion. It makes me sick that if an illegal needs medical care in the US, they are given the care for free while citizens here struggle and go bankrupt to pay for medical and get no help whatsoever.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
I agree and it is not fair. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
• United States
12 Feb 07
If they would have asked for green cards or visa for the people protesting they could have rounded up alot of illigle people and sent them back home. I guess I'm with you on this one. What rights do they think they have or rights that they don't have? I got an email about this and I'll sum it up. It's like they broke into your house and feel they have aright to be there. They complain when we try to kick them out of your house that they broke into, then move their families into your house saying they have the same right to be there. If you want to be here then go through the right channles. Learn the language, get a green card, then you have no worries.
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@onabreak2 (1162)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Yes that about sums it up. Well said. Thank you for your comment.
• United States
12 Feb 07
i think if someone wants to come to the united states and make a living, they need to respect the laws first. i have no problem with foreigners. i do have a problem with people who think they can just strut over here while others have followed the law and have patiently went through the requirements. if every illegal alien came over to u.s who felt like it, we would be a complete mess. just think of all the communication problems we would have. i don't think if i go strolling into mexico they're going to go out of their way to make sure i understand all the road signs and bulletin boards like we do here. our economy would do just fine without illegal aliens, if not better. sure they are hardworking and work for cheap, but when they do that they put hardworking legal citizens out of jobs. arg. it just makes me mad. if you want to be a citizen, go through the process. period.
• United States
12 Feb 07
Personally, the parade sounded like a good way to round them up and send them back home until they can come and do it legally. I have no issues with people from different countries living here legally, after all the U.S is a melting pot. But take the time to do it legally! I haven't a clue what to do about it other than as soon as they are caught send them back home. Some of these people risk their lives to get to the U.S. If it was that important to them to live here so they can get money and send it home, then do it legally. You'd be able to apply for a better paying job. I know I said this elsewhere but the people hiring them for cheap labor need fined and jailed!
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@reinydawn (11650)
• United States
12 Feb 07
Their only right is to be sent back home! If they are here illegally, they are breaking the law, and the punishment is to be sent home. They have that same right as anyone else - it needs to be enforced. I do agree that they have an impact on the economy. They will work for less than minimum wage - in exchange for not being reported to immigration - so they are taking legal jobs away from actual citizens. Some businesses would not make as much money if they had to pay the correct wage, it would be less money in the owner's pocket. Send them home, let the citizens work for the mandated wages and it would solve some of our problems with poverty.
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