Trouble with my daughter's boyfriend (lather, rinse, repeat!)

Canada
February 25, 2007 10:20pm CST
For a variety of reasons, my 16 year old daughter has a 20-minute limit each day when speaking to her boyfriend on our home phone. I recently discovered that, in order to get around that limit, he started sending text messages to her cell phone. She is not allowed to text message because the phone she has is one that I pay for. I provide her with a $10 airtime card each month and the phone is for practical/emergency use only -- calling home if she needs a ride, letting me know if she's had a change of plans, keeping in touch with us if we're out doing errands, what have you. It is not for chatting with her boyfriend. As everyone knows, $10 doesn't go far on a cell phone, especially if it's eaten up by unnecessary messaging. Over the weekend, she was out doing an errand with my husband. Her boyfriend called our house and he was told she was out but she would call him back as soon as she got home. Instead of waiting for her call, he immediately fired off two nasty text messages to her cell, because she wasn't at home when he called. What he didn't know was, at that moment, my husband was using her cell to call me from the store. He got the text message notification instead of my daughter. Naturally, we were upset for many reasons, not the least of which was the tone of the messages and the control issue it brings up. It's become clear (over a long period of time already) that this boy does not respect us or what is decided in our house and he will do whatever he pleases, where my daughter is concerned. My daughter is upset because she says it's unfair for her to be punished for something her boyfriend does. I do agree with her but it doesn't mean that there should be no repercussions for his actions and his disrespect. For now, she has told him that she was very upset at what he did (especially how nasty he was in his messages) and that she will be giving me her phone when she gets home each day. She'll get it back when she leaves for school in the morning or any time she has somewhere to go. I would be very interested to know how others would handle this situation. What would you have done in our place?
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58 responses
@limosonia1 (1559)
• United States
26 Feb 07
Sounds like this boyfriend has some anger issues that need to be dealt with and that could be dangerous for your daughter. What you did with the phone was correct but you need to have an open conversation with your daughter about how he treats her and talks to her. She was out so why would he be nasty that she was. That would cause me great concern. Talk to your daughter make sure this boy isn't walking all over her and that you are there for her if he ever gets out of line.
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• United States
26 Feb 07
It doesn't sound natural. You should have her talk to an abuse counsler that way she can see that this is how it starts. I have been through it. My x was horrible I couldn't even go food shopping with the kids unless I was on the phone with him. Don't let her lose her self esteen because of this boy. He sounds like a loser. If he loves her then he would love to make her happy and I am sure being with her friends would make her happy. She will miss out on so much. Without pushing see if she will talk to somebody that has been through it. Ask her to do it for your sake. To appease and old lady then you'll drop it. LOL. Not that your old but it usually helps when I deal with my son like that. My prayers are with you. I know one day it will be my turn with my daughter. She is not dating yet but she is right around the corner. I am dreading it.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
Thanks so much for your support and understanding... and I totally get your "old lady" reference LOL It's something I would say myself ;) I've been thinking lately that it may time to get the intervention of someone outside the home. It's gotten to the point that it only causes us all hurt (and it's physically harming me because I have serious hypertension on any old normal day and these "episodes" really upset me... both my husband and sister have expressed a lot of concern). My sister (who is also her godmother), has sat her down and talked with her too because she was in a similar relationship that started right around the same age. She has explained to my daughter what happens when someone controls everything about you from what you wear to who your friends are... she's explained about how you lose yourself, your self-esteem and your ability to trust other people. Problem is, right now, my daughter thinks we're all nuts and just blowing everything out of proportion. So, an objective observer may be our best bet. We'll keep on keepin' on... and I have to hope it'll work out for the best once she's out of the "my parents are idiots" teen period ;)
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
I'm definitely worried, limosonia, and I have been for some time. He keeps her isolated from any other friends, "preferring" that they stay home and watch movies rather than going out (I mean, teenagers usually go places and do things with other teens... they do not). She thinks this is because he cares so much for her that he doesn't want to "waste" their time together by including other people. I don't see it that way at all... my husband and I are keeping close tabs because it's not going anywhere good, as far as we can see :(
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
26 Feb 07
Man oh man. This is a tough situation to be honest. The chances of alienating your daughter are high! If the boyfriend is like this on text, I can't even begin to imagine what he is like to her face to face..... I think that the method you are using so far (holding on to the phone throughout the day) is a good start. As for how to address the respect issue? In my opinion the only option is to subliminally educate and empower your daughter to think and act in her best interests by standing up for being treated well. Any move you make to remove this boyfriend from her daily routine (even slightly) could quickly result in an alienation of your daughter and depending on the control this guy has on her, could create a serious rift. If you are able to empower your daughter to make the decision to move on from this guy herself with limited involvement on your part (at least in her mind!) then I believe you will have a much better chance of remaining on side with her. As a parent with a very young daughter, when she reaches sixteen and if a guy acts like this??? I know what I would like to do; but that would not be effective!!! Good luck.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
My husband feels the way you do ;) But you are right... the relationship that I have with my daughter was once very strong and now it's very strained. It breaks my heart. But, I am her mother and it's my job to BE her mother so I'm not letting go or giving up. Alienation is a huge consideration. I can't push her so hard that I lose her. We talk many days a week about their relationship and I try to enforce to her the things that are clearly inappropriate with this guy. Although on the surface she says she just doesn't see it, I'm starting to feel that she does. Fortunately, they are applying to different schools for this coming fall and I am hoping against hope that some distance is going to be for the best. If you wouldn't mind crossing your fingers or thinking positive thoughts, every bit will help! ;) And thank you for the luck -- I'll take all I can get.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
26 Feb 07
Given her age (I am assuming that his age is similar) although they may think that they will continue on; distance will definitely cause some changes as they will get caught up in their respective new lives. Hang in there and just BE there.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
You did a fine job. If I were in your shoes, I'd also contact the little bugger's parents and let them know how he was treating your daughter. I'd have saved the txt messages on the phone to SHOW THEM and prove that they came from his number. If the parents don't respond productively, then you'll know where the boy's poor behaviour originated.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
Thanks a million for the reassurances! :) I actually had a phone call with his mother some time ago and I could sense right away that it wasn't going to help, if you get my drift? She has a lot of trouble with him but pretty much throws her hands in the air over it. The text messages are definitely saved because we figured we may need them. I wish it didn't feel that way... but it does.
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• United States
26 Feb 07
I agree with danishcanadian, I would have already called up the parents and told him of his disrespect for you, you gotta know that if he is disrespectful of you he is probably disrespectful of his parents. And I would have also told my daughter I didn't want her hanging out with someone that treated people that way. You know that age is very tender, they have a knack of eminlating their peers or friends. Hopefully what you did will work, wish the best, teenage girls are the hardest.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
Took the words right out of my mouth. But I'd also talk to your daughter about mutual respect and love and such. A lot of 16 year old girls put up with a lot of emotional abuse just to HAVE a boyfriend. I would make sure she is not one of them and this guy is what she really sees herself being with. Stress the seriousness of commitment and even provide the closest example to her - her parents. She shouldn't have to take that abuse if you don't.
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@hoghoney (3747)
• United States
26 Feb 07
I know what you are talking about my boyfriend has two girls and the 13 year old we got her a phone for christmas and it is one of those go phones from cingluar because we have cingular also and she can talk to any one on cingular for free she now has a boyfriend that is 16. Myself if she was my daughter she would not be see a 16 yr. old but anyway she gets on the phone with him and its not free tohim so her time gets ate up in no time. I think that we put about 40 dollars on it in 2 weeks. but now that we know what is going on well lets just say that she dont have any time on her phone right now.
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@imsilver (1665)
• Canada
26 Feb 07
oh the stuff I have to look forward to yet. It's so easy for me to say that I'd tell my daughter to dump the jerk but I also know how far that would get me. It wasn't so long ago that I was a teenager myself. I'm not sure how you'd explain it to your daughter but if he has no respect for your rules and regulations concerning your daughter then he probably doesn't have all that much respect for your daughter herself. And how dare he get nasty with her simply because she wasn't home to accept his call. Hopefully someday soon your daughter will meet someone who will treat her with the decentcy and respect that she deserves and then she will be able to compare and see how a girl should be treated in a relationship.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
It's rough, imsilver... really is. I mean, he has backtalked my husband to his face (in public) because he wanted more time with her and my husband was there to drive her home. He also shows control issues with my daughter that really scare me (he tells her if there are things he doesn't want her to wear, etc.) Problem is, she refuses to see that this is abusive behavior. She's 16 and you know how puppy love is... she thinks this boy is the "be all and end all" and I couldn't be more frustrated. Like you, I hope she's going to realize that she isn't being treated properly and will do something about it... but she keeps telling me that if this relationship is a mistake, then it's her mistake to make. Thanks very much for your supportive response!
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@gurl976 (48)
• United States
26 Feb 07
I understand why you have limits on your daughter, but don't forget - the tighter the limits, the more they will rebel. Try to understand that 20 mins on the phone isn't very much time for a teenager. She will find other ways, and she did via text. I think maybe increasing the amount of time would be benificial. You should also charge her for the text messaging that they do. This will teach her to limit the texts, but she won't rebel too much b/c she has more than just 20 mins on the phone with him.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
Oh I agree with you, gurl976. There didn't used to be a 20 mins limit (in fact they had no limit at all) but that was put in place because of other problems in the past. If those were corrected, then the limit would be removed. Unfortunately, they haven't gotten there yet :( But you're right that the more we try, the more they rebel. Thanks for the suggestion to have her pay for the text messaging. She'll be starting to look for her summer job soon and, I think once she has one, she'll be looking at taking over the cost of her phone. That may teach more responsibility.
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@mistym (18)
• United States
27 Feb 07
You know, 20 minutes is plenty. I only had 10 minutes the boyfriend I had and he was pretty much fine. My mom simply didnt want me calling him ALL THE TIME. That was before email, texting, etc... 1) You're doing great 2)If he doesnt stop calling the cell and being nasty, report it to the authorities. Sometimes people don't stop until the police show up at their door. 3)get legal advice. If you don't have an attorney, I can show you how through a pre-paid legal membership. 4)get your daughter into ballroom dancing or martial arts. Both will teach her respect for herself and others around her. When she recognizes the proper ways to be "handled" she will be less likely to let some idiot boyfriend behave that way with her or you. good luck.
@lvhughes (545)
• United States
26 Feb 07
you did a wonderful job. i wish more parents would try more to control situatios like this. you did right and i believe you can handle it without our help or opinions but as my kids get closer to this age i hope that i can pick a little up from you. and know more of how to handle any problems that are bound to arise. I can imagine you will proble have to even get stricker before things get better but i hope for your sake and the sake of you child she soon realizes what he is and gets read of him. i sounds to me he is no good. Good luck.
• Canada
26 Feb 07
I do try to make the "right" decisions.. I mean, we're never 100% sure, right? But some days I find I'm second-guessing myself just because we can't seem to find the resolution to this situation. I'm really grateful to all of you here at myLot who are willing to lend an ear (well, an eye, I suppose!) and offer your thoughts. It gives me strength to believe that maybe I really AM doing just about all I can do, under the circumstances. Thanks :)
• United States
26 Feb 07
I think you handled it in a level-headed manner. I can't see anything that I would have done differently that would have been productive. Rock on. Good parenting.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
Thanks a lot, visitorinvasion! I'm having a hard time but I'm doing my best... that's about all we can do, right? :)
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@Sawsen (793)
• United States
26 Feb 07
Wow, that is really upsetting. I really applaud your actions, I think what you did was the right thing. Although, she might feel like she shouldn't be punished because of her boyfriend's actions, I think maybe in some way she allows it, and I think that should be the reason she should be punished along with him. I would try to actually get her to distance herself away from him, because he seems like a really bad influence.
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• Canada
27 Feb 07
I definitely see your point, Sawsen... and I've often said that, while she might not consciously "allow" his behavior, she definitely approves of it, much of the time. She thinks that his standing up and backtalking my husband, for example, is like him being her knight in shining armor. It's all a little too "Romeo and Juliet" for my liking and I can see that she is glorifying this to be the "love of her life". She has always been a dramatic child. I agree with you that he is becoming a bad influence. I've discussed them with a few of their teachers, as well, and they've let me know that he visibly keeps her isolated, actually edging her away from the other students between classes, at lunch, etc. That's a big red flag to me. Thanks very much for sharing your thoughts.
• United States
26 Feb 07
I am glad that you have been very good at setting a limit for you daughter, her phone use, and her boyfriend time. She is so young, and when kids are young, they do not realize that, the older they get, they consider themselves to be more mature and more in charge of their lives, but they don't realize that that is not the case. Children, will always be children to their parents. You made the right decision about her phone. However, I would have another discussion with her about her boyfriend. You should talk to her about the type of guy that she really wants in her life, she should think about finding a guy, that not only respects her and her goals in life, but also respects her family. The worst thing to end up with, is a guy that tries to separate you from the people that you love most and who love you most. Throwing away your life, and memories, and relationships for a guy (especially when you are a teen), is not worth it. There are so many guys out there, especially smart educated guys, that are worth her time, when she goes to college, that will make her current boyfriend look like an idiot. There are some guys, that were great in highschool, and grow up to be great men, but that is rare, and her boyfriend does not seem like a great guy. What she needs, is to remember that high school is not her entire life, college is so much fun, and such a good change, she has that to look forward to. Arguing of her "boyfriend" and how often they can talk, is not worth it. Planning her goals, planning to be successful, and to experience an exciting college education, is more important. She needs to realize that her family know what is best for her, and when she is older, she will thank you for it.
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• Canada
27 Feb 07
western_valleygirl, thank you. It's like you got inside my head and walked around. We are on the same page completely. It is my most fervent hope that, when she goes to college, she will finally understand all that I have been saying about the importance of a social group, friends, varied experiences and activities, all of it. I think it's a defining and awakening moment in a person's life and I want her to experience it fully. We've talked long and hard about this boyfriend and she doesn't see for a minute that he doesn't respect her. All she knows is that he is always "sorry" for his behavior and that "he only acted that way because he cares about her SO MUCH." His mother says exactly the same thing. When I spoke with her about the disrespect shown to my husband, she excused her son by saying that he just gets so upset (and cries) if he doesn't get as much time with my daughter as he wants. She says she is tired of dealing with him. So, from there, I knew my husband and I would be on our own to handle what we can. So, I wll keep talking... and trying not to argue, as you've wisely pointed out (quite frankly, I get really tired of hearing myself sometimes, you know?)... and I hope that, come September, I'll be able to see her entering a much happier phase of her life. It's definitely what I'm wishing for!
@villageanne (8553)
• United States
26 Feb 07
You did the right thing. That is a hard age for parents. We raised two daughters and from 16 to 19 is the worst. I dont envy you at all. My advice is to stay strong and do what you know is right no matter what she says. You will never regret it if you do that but if you give into her, you will regret it from now on.
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
Thank you villageanne! I appreciate the support from someone who survived this battle ;) I absolutely agree with you that, although there are so many days that I'm tempted to just throw in the towel and say "FINE... do what you want!", I just won't let that happen. I know that I thought my parents didn't "get it" either, when I was her age, but once out of the teen angst, I respected them so deeply. I'm looking forward to getting to that phase!
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• United States
27 Feb 07
I just turned seventeen, and I have to say that I think you did the right thing. (If a boy ever sent me nasty text messages I'd kick his butt right out the door...) I read your other reply posts and I think that you really need to discuss this with your daughter. In our school newspapers and on library bookmarks and such they always have lists of "danger signs" in dating and from your posts, this kid seems to fit the bill for someone who is emotionally controlling and could potentially be abusive. It's not a sure sign that there's something seriously wrong with him, maybe he's a good kid deep down and just has a few problems. I would definitely keep an eye on them and monitor how often they talk, what they talk about, and where they go together. Maybe you remember this, maybe you don't, but when a teenage girl picks her friends - especially a boyfriend - she sees those people as reflections of herself. They say that affection is, after all, recognizing qualities of yourself in someone else. Young people take pride in who they choose as the people they hang out with, and want to think that they've made the right decision about which crowd they're a part of. They see the people around them as the people who they get along with best and are most like, and want to think that they're good judges of character. I know that when I like people and find out that they have some unsavory habits, such as selling their homework or flirting with other girls when they've been steadily dating someone else, it not only hurts me because I feel bad for the people that they are hurting, but it also makes me feel bad because I realize that I am not a very good judge of character. Admitting that someone I liked turned out to be not quite as upright as I had hoped is very difficult, but I just have to tell myself that I can't control what other people do. The only thing I can do in this situation is to try and avoid these people and find other friends that I DO think are worth my time. I think that if you do talk to your daughter further about this, you should keep this in mind. Even if you're not scolding her directly, she feels very connected to her boyfriend and is probably going to be upset by other people speaking harshly about him. Just be careful with what you say and how you word things, and maybe she'll be more willing to see things from your point of view.
• Canada
27 Feb 07
You have a remarkable attitude for your age, amusements, and I really commend you for it. It's nice to hear from "the other side" of this kind of situation. I wish my daughter were more strict about the kinds of treatment she allows from him but she seems overly forgiving. She excused his text messages after one conversation with him because he said "he didn't mean it and knew they were wrong." I wish her school had more information readily available such as what you describe. Many people don't think of abuse in very young relationships, such as teens, but it's absolutely possible. I do believe, deep down, he's not a bad kid -- but he also has very noticeable emotional problems for which he is not getting help (outside of my daughter ... and I've tried to explain to her that she CANNOT help him with those things. She's not a professional and certainly can't "fix" him). I really like your statement about a person's friends being a reflection of self. It's very true. I definitely think that, if you trust someone as a friend and they betray that trust, you question yourself about how you thought they were honest in the first place. We DO have a tendency to turn that back on ourselves. I've seen my daughter argue tooth and nail to defend her boyfriend to someone who doesn't like him... you've got me realizing now that she naturally won't want her friends to disapprove of her choice (regardless of what her parents think) simply because she wouldn't want to feel that she "failed" at picking a "good guy." Thanks for your interpretations and for sharing your thoughts :)
@wrdsofwisdm (1069)
• United States
26 Feb 07
I think you handled it quite well. The only other thing I would have done would be having him come to the house to have a seat at the table while my husband and I have a little discussion about his behavior and what we expect from him in regards to respect toward our daughter and us...just to make sure he got the darned point, lol
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
My sister said this too, wrdsofwisdm! Sit them down face to face. I will admit that, due to some of the things that have already happened (they've been dating for almost two years), I have a hard time being around the guy. However, I think that type of conversation will have to be the next step. We need to clear the air and say, "ok... lots of things have happened so we all need to hit the reset button here and re-establish some expectations..." I just have to find my motivation to do that now... sighhhhh...
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• United States
26 Feb 07
Just keep in your mind that You are the Alfa Female in the house and give him that smile that confuses him as he sees who the boss is through your eyes. Trust me, he will squirm a little, lol.
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@DaEntity (122)
• United States
26 Feb 07
You did the right thing! I'm not a parent but I'm a daughter that realizes when I was a teenager I didn't know jack, but I thought I did. Now at 24 I still don't know jack but I realize it now! You didn't over react! Personally I know if it was me and my dad, my dad would have flipped a lid! Called that little bugger right back and told him what he was going to do to him next time he came around. But my family is a little scary like that. Your relationship with your daughter is going to be strained and pushed to the limit. But eventually there will come a time when she realizes that you have the best interest in mind for her. I can't tell you win though. I had that realization when I was married at 23 and it dawned on me one day... Good Luck!!!
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• Canada
26 Feb 07
Awww thanks, DaEntity... I appreciate your personal perspective. I really hope she realizes one day that I'm not the idiot she has me pegged as right now. You're right that she doesn't know jack (this is her very first boyfriend!) -- and why didn't I think of that expression before? It's perfectly accurate! I thought my dad was overprotective, too, when I was her age and I hated his rules (history definitely repeats itself!) ... but I was far too afraid to try breaking any of them. Looking back, I know my dad loved me and he was only doing what he thought was right at the time.
@magikrose (5429)
• United States
26 Feb 07
Honestly I dont see a reason for your daughter to need her phone at school. There are phones at school that she can use to make phone calls if she needs to. I agree with you that she only needs the phone when she goes out and is not with you. Honestly you need to have a talk with her boyfriend and his parents and let them know what is going on and that his behaviour was not appropriate.
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@7nicole1 (1633)
• Canada
26 Feb 07
I think your totally handling this problem right. I have basically done the samething with my 16 year old daugther but she just sneaks around behind our backs. I say if it working for you then stick with it because what I think your doing is totally fair.
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@Trace86 (5030)
• United States
26 Feb 07
You should definitely talk to your daughter and make sure his bad attitude doesn't extend beyond angry text messages and into physical or verbal abuse. Make sure she knows nobody has a right to be mean to her or play head games with her. Is there anyway to disable text messages except from you and your husband? Or be able to accept and make calls only to and from 911 and the two of you? My Dad and brother would have kicked some major butt if anyone messed with me like that.
• Canada
26 Feb 07
My husband is just furious at this point, Trace. He has been on the receiving end of this boy's smart mouth on two occasions and I think he's shown admirable restraint (we tried discussing the disrespect with the boyfriend's mother but she clearly doesn't want to deal with it. She says her son cries and gets upset when he is cut off from my daughter so his mother doesn't want to rock the boat -- NOT helping!). Thanks for your advice!
@Chele2k2 (241)
26 Feb 07
In my opinion, you handled the situation perfectly. I don't think I would have been as level headed as yourself, if it had been one of our daughters. I hope there doesn't come a time when something like this happens with one of our children. The boy sounds like he has serious issues with his self, by the behaviour he has displayed so far towards your daughter. If he grows up with the attitude he has already, his issues will only escalate, I dread to think what other female will get mixed up with him.
• United States
26 Feb 07
I have a 16 yr old daughter and to keep her in focuss with school work and home life she cannot use the phone on school nights. I have tried many things but this one works. As for the boyfriend he needs to be told point blank he does not have the right to disrespect your wishes about the phone. It is either or. Either take the 20 mins a night and no text messages or no calls or texts .He maybe one of those guys who turn into control freaks beware. Hope it works out for you.
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• United States
28 Feb 07
Tough situation. I'd say you handled it well. I've read many of the other responses. I agree there is a fine line here. Understandably you need to set boundaries but you risk alienating your daughter. Sixteen is a tough age (for all involved). Perhaps you can work on building trust. How about a family night with your daughter and her boyfriend? Games, pizza, etc? Of course, I don't know the whole situation and how the phone limit became a mere 20 minutes (that would kill me and i'm ... old enough to be her mother!) but I respect your parenting. Better to be involved now than kicking yourself later. Remember, no matter what you do (whether an active or inactive parent), she'll still end up in therapy blaming you for everything. So have at it! ;) Good luck and keep us posted.
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• Canada
28 Feb 07
LOL thanks for the laugh today, freeepeace! You're right too -- by virtue of being her mom, I'm inevitably to blame for pretty much everything LOL :) I'd like to work our way back to an activity like the game night you suggested... we did that when they initially started dated and we have also included him in holiday dinners, nights at the movies, things like that. Unfortunately, the negative issues have emerged over time and in spite of our efforts to include and get to know the boy.... but we won't give up trying on that either. Thanks for the luck... I'm accepting as much as offered, I'll tell ya LOL Have a great day! :)
• United States
28 Feb 07
Sure thing :) One other aspect I thought of is what you said about his mother being unavailable for discussion with you. If he's being "neglected" at home (i.e. they don't know how to deal with him so they give up), he may act out with you. If you're sure he's going to be in your daughter's life indefinitely, you can choose to "fight the good fight" with him and keep showing him you love and accept him as a child/person. They may be "almost adults" but even at 16 they need to be cradled (whether they admit it or not). Perhaps if you treat him like your own child by setting boundaries with him, you can build a relationship based on respect. Just thinking about his nasty text messages. If you or your husband sat the boy down and said "this is unacceptable. if you want any contact with our daughter, you have to go through us first. take it or leave it." Maybe (just maybe!) he would see that *someone* cares enough to set boundaries (no matter what kind of a reaction you get from him, especially at first). Blah. Long-winded. Sorry about that. Just stream-of-consciousness writing here. Take care. peace.
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