I am a person who doesn't believe in hell and eternal punishments

Sweden
March 19, 2007 8:14am CST
Are you? I want to take up this subject, because if we take the concept of hell and its eternal punishement seriously., we will too easily fall into the nearby temptation to judge people,to condemn and think certain people deserve hell, even if we piously go around saying that God is the Judge for all men. I even think that the language of the Bible is meant for people who did have a hard mind, who lived a hard life and that the mentality has changed now. We can think like this, in order not to easily condemn others: WE WILL NEVER KNOW HOW OUR OWN END WILL BE. This way I just want to avoid the temptation mentioned. Suddenly, very suddenly death, the hunter of men, shoots you down from the branch were you sit and sing. I am therefore satisfied with believing that it is better for anybody to die away from life here, whatever his life has been like, that anybodys life will be better in heaven. Where you loose your will and where the will of God prevails. I don't believe in an independent force like the devil either. There in "heaven" spiritually enlightened people can pray for even criminal souls and murderers. The criminals mother will, I presume. As I would like my mother to do that for me, and my friends, though I don't think I am very criminal. "All we need is love," Lennon Think of life around us here and now. We forget that the authorities of justice are the ones we give the authority to give judgement to criminal people. BUT still we , in the newspapers and from people hear a lot of judgements, evil gossip and whisperings and bad behavior towards people, EVEN THE ONES WHO HAVE DIED, and in this latter case it is often famous people. I have seen this very often. To speak badly of another person "is like eating a corpse" "quote from the Islamic scriptures, a hadith perhaps) I belong to Bahai Faith Regards Lailamaria
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• United States
19 Mar 07
I do believe in hell and satan. And let me ask why you don't believe? Not stating this is the case for you, but I find that some people who say they don't believe in hell, are really just scared to think that a place like that can really exist. A place that is completely removed from God's presence. Yes, this world we currently live in is tough, but just think of a place where God's hands and presence don't influence anything. I don't remember where I heard this line....(Speaking of satan......"The greatest trick he ever did, was convincing the world he did not exist". Just think about that in terms of "if" there is a devil, wouldn't he want people to think hell and himself did not exist, because then he would be putting doubt in the peoples minds about what the Word of God actually says.
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• Netherlands
19 Mar 07
You are presuming things about people that don't believe in hell. Maybe we don't believe in hell because we believe in loving, caring God who is the Saviour of the entire creation. And you say that the Adversary wants us to believe there is no hell but maybe it's the other way around.
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• Sweden
19 Mar 07
Hello again I have heared that too that quote. And I knew somebody would come up with it. But.... I believe that religion is progressiv, changes its vocabulary.Religion has not been sent down once and for all.Believers and nonbelevers alike tend to think like that. Today we can formulate it like the person below your answer. And hell is the absense of love. Life is here and there and now and then like hell,= without love and order. Love restores, builds up. Isn't that most important`?When it is missing the opposite occurs. Now a picture of love as Light: A dark room, no light there. Then, in there you tumble over things, over furniture that seems to deliberately hinder you, you get hurt even.You even get afraid of the darkness, think it is deliberately mistreating you...so Somebody has to turn on the Light, turn on love.. "That is all you need." Lennons song is pure wisdom,( if you don't just take it as a song promoting love between he sexes only.)The old stories about the devil is just making us sad. It is not pedagogic ANY MORE. And Jesus drew attention because because of love, Gods love. You won't loose anything if you, to take another picture,a metaphore, believe in the sun. Its light is the active part, that is what is important, not the shadow. I always use the letters in Gods Book: Nature. It clarifies many things for me, at least.
• Netherlands
19 Mar 07
I don't know if you were adressing me when you said Hello again but I couldn't agree with you more. God is Love and not fear.
@Anakata2007 (1787)
• Canada
19 Mar 07
I'v read a bit about the Bahai faith. From my understanding it is a religion that encompasses all beliefs. It seems very openminded. As for hell, my belief is that earthly living is like hell. I may be wrong and probably am, but for some people, this life is so hard and so difficult and such terrible things can happen and man can do horrible things to man, that I think this is hell.
• United States
6 Mar 08
As I interpret the writings, Baha'is believe that the hell spoken of in the Bible is seperation from God so you can experience hell while on earth. When you die if your soul continues to be filled with hate your hellish state will continue. Hell is not something God uses as a punishment but rather a state of the soul that one creates for themselves.
• Canada
21 Mar 07
I totally agree with you! I have never believed in Hell, and fundamentalists and old order Mennonites in my family have tried to convince me otherwise. Let them say what they want, they're not going to change my mind!! The minute WE start judging others, we have usurped God, and that's precisely what we are not supposed to do. Doesn't the first commandment say that there is no other God but God? And don't the Muslim calls to prayer say "there is no other God but God?"
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@langhua (501)
• China
20 Mar 07
there is no eternal punishments in the world ,if you should do a good person to the other ma ,they will change how to treat you.
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• India
20 Mar 07
my belief is that we should never judge people by their actions because we never know how we would behave in the same situations. also each individual has their own way of working out things and not everyone's sense of rectitude are same. another of my strong beliefs is that "old sins have long shadows" and you get paid for your actions in this life itself. there's no such thing as hell after life
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• Austria
20 Mar 07
I believe in heaven and hell. But not after we die. I think if you life a good life and you are a good person who helps others and you life a live based on loving one another, then you are contributing to the positive energy and you have created your own heaven. If you go around hurting and hating people and always just thinking about ourselves without concern for others, it will come back to us and we are creating our very own hell.
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@dickkell (403)
• United States
20 Mar 07
A terrorist deserves to be punished for the innocent lives he or she destroys. I think we can all pretty much agree on this. The thing we tend to forget is that, like terrorists, we have sided with the enemy of God. It is not God's will that any should perish. He loves each one of us more than we can imagine. But because he loves us, He doesn't want to see us hurt. When we sin, we hurt people. Take a murderer for instance. His mother may love him very much, but it is not love to say to the man, "It's okay, you have done no wrong." If you take that approach, the murderer goes on killing innocent people. If you love the murderer, you must stop him from killing. If you love mankind, you must stop the murderer. Love demands that we not kill each other. The thing we forget is that all sin, all the pain we inflict goes much farther and deeper than we like to pretend. The unkind word that we say can actually do more harm than a shotgun. The lie that we tell cuts deeper than a knife. We find ourselves constantly tearing at each other, cutting, killing each other on the inside. God loves us very much. He loves us so much that He demands that we stop killing each other. Not just physically, but emotionally, spiritually. When we do wrong, we deserve punishment. When we hurt another person, we deserve to likewise hurt. When we drive people away from love, we deserve to be driven from the presence of love as well. God loves us so much that He created a way for us to be forgiven of the crimes for which we deserve punishment. He sent his own Son to the Cross, and Jesus went willingly, bearing the shame and guilt of all the world. He paid the price so that we can be free from our own blood-guiltiness. We are free to choose to love God and be loved by Him, or to reject God. God will not force us to love him. He gives us a choice. But His love for us will not allow us to destroy each other without punishment. His love for us will not allow us to hurt one another without justice. When someone has been hurt, justice is demanded. If you love someone, you will not stand for less than justice for their killer. You may forgive the person, but you still demand that justice be served. We are in no position to judge anybody, primarily because we are all co-conspiritors. We are on trial just like everyone else, because we have at some time in some way hurt someone deeply enough to deserve punishment. As a Christian, I know I have been forgiven of great crimes. Therefore, I can forgive the crimes against me. I don't judge, I forgive. All we need is love. But love demands justice. To say to the victim of molestation that they must not demand justice is not love, it's sickness, depravity. Love demands that we treat each other as we want to be treated, and that the standard applies to each and every individual equally, and that there be some consequence for those who do harm to other people. That is why I believe in the existence of Hell.
• United States
19 Mar 07
I really think hell is what you make it. Not anything physical, but if you harbor bad thoughts, then, of course, you will have a hellish life. As for as a physical place where you can burn, naww, thats just propaganda that the writers want you to believe.
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@mjsdls (1841)
• United States
19 Mar 07
Yes their is a hell and heaven. If there was none the bible would not mention it. Their has to be punishment for the sins we commit. We do not have to suffer going to hell if we accept Jesus as our savior. You say you believe in Jesus then why do you not believe His words? hell is a literal place just as heaven is. It is not a state of mind.
• United States
20 Mar 07
Your choice to believe in this, our choice to not. And if I believe in Jesus how can I take the word of men who wrote a book thousands of years ago that has been rewritten numerous time? And a book that was divided into 2 parts that totally contradict themselves. I believe in Jesus as a really great person who lived years ago with a great agenda. But I cannot know what the true words of his were. And I refuse to believe that a father would threaten their children with eternal fire. Also if you look at your Bible, in no way does it ever describe hell as a literal place. This was began years later. Dante's Fire ring a bell?? Namaste'
• United States
6 Mar 08
I am a Baha'i as well and I believe in every word Jesus said. However, this does not mean I believe the interpretations of the words of Jesus that have been recorded. If Jesus wrote the Bible I would believe every word of it. I would even believe the words of the original Bible that was written shortly after our saviors ascension. However, the Bible of today is very different from the Bible of that time. I do not believe that humans had or will ever have the right to write their own version of the words of God. Thus I do not believe in the Bible of today.
• United States
20 Mar 07
We are spiritual beings, made in the image of God. The devil is REAL, a fallen angel. Hell is real, I believe the bible and I know its real. Its not fake. Jesus would lie about stuff like that. Yes if you dont believe in Jesus as the Son of God you will go to hell. If you believe you will go to heaven. Its not for a thounsand years, all things are for eternity. If you go to hell its FOREVER as is heaven FOREVER. So I believe in hell, the devil and heaven. I am kinda confused by what you stated btw. What do you mean those (like me) who believe the bible have a HARD MIND? Just wondering what that terms meaning is?
• United States
20 Mar 07
SORRY! I mean to say "Jesus WOULDNT lie about stuff like that." My dog is under my right arm and I didnt type all the letters SORRY!
@emeraldisle (13146)
• United States
19 Mar 07
I don't believe in Hell either. I personally think this world is bad enough for that. I believe that when we die we get what we expect. We are our own worst judges and that we determine where and what will happen afterwards. For myself I believe I will go to the Summerlands and there I will wait till it's time to be reborn. My thought is if you expect to go to hell in the next life that is where you will go. If you expect to go to Vahalla that too will be there. It is our perceptions and expectations that form the next stage if our existence.
• Sweden
19 Mar 07
Hey emeraldisle What a discussion, waves are going high. That's how it should be,maybe the spark of truth will be revealed, I hope, for someone. Tell me about Summerlands. What is that, sounds like something from a Fantasybook?
@scribe1 (1207)
• United States
22 Mar 08
I don't believe in hell, but do believe that we are given an opportunity to scan the life that we just left on earth. Any so called "wrongs" are not "punished." Instead, we feel whatever pain that we've inflicted on others and later on, given a choice to learn those missed lessons and reincarnate as physical beings on earth/hell to learn them. So the idea of guys in little devil suits dancing and prancing around eternal flames are just a bunch of hooey --- and probably the church's invention to keep people in line and enslaved to the church. Also, I believe that God is our Loving Father, rather than a mean, vindictive being. To worship a vindictive being is to worship a false god.
@luckly888 (175)
• China
20 Mar 07
I agree with you.
• Philippines
20 Mar 07
I respect your beliefs. But for me I do believe in hell and eternal punishments. I am striving hard to do good here on earth that when my time comes to go to the next life I won't experience fire on hell. We just have different beliefs and point of views in life and the best that we could do is really be good here on earth that whatever lies beyond this world we are ready to face.
@mlotboy (293)
• India
19 Mar 07
Hey madam, it is a nice solution for people like me who tend to judge others quickly.
@mobyfriend (1019)
• Netherlands
19 Mar 07
I don't believe in hell either.