Young people choosing to go on welfare, instead of working.

@kbkbooks (7028)
Canada
March 21, 2007 1:08pm CST
It infuriates me that I now know several young people who have come to the age of "adulthood" and instead of looking for a job they go right to the welfare office and look for a handout. I know that some people need real aid in family support from time to time. Why should young people (just around 18 or so) be allowed to even make a choice like this? Another government f***-up in my humble opinion.
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@cher913 (25890)
• Canada
21 Mar 07
a) welfare is not easy to get and they have a LOT of rules that you have to follow and b) if a kid doesn't have grade 12 (or highschool diploma) there aren't too many jobs out there (even if he does, there still aren't too many jobs out there if they have no training). Here in Canada, welfare helps kids get their highschool dip and helps get into training...so its not a bad thing...better that than having committing crimes and having to pay for them in the justice system!
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
21 Mar 07
I know some Canadian young people that are not in training or working for their diplomas. That is what is making me furious. There are more than one, more than several just sucking off the system.
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• Singapore
21 Mar 07
I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Were you born into this world to work? If your answer is yes, then it is good that you continue working so that there will be money for those who think otherwise.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
21 Mar 07
That is so wrong. No I was not born to work. I have my family and my other interests, those I have myself and those I share with my family. I don't think I was born to support the rest of the world and neither was anyone else. I worked for a good 30 years before I became disabled. I can't work now. It angers me that some are collecting so easily in welfare and the government is giving me a really hard time about starting disability although I have severe pain, trouble walking, and massive medication bills.
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• United States
22 Mar 07
Very sorry to hear your situation!! you should fight it out! No matter what. If law permits, you have every right to get aid in whatever helps you to live life peacefully with work or without work!! Take Care! God bless you!
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
We are fighting, but it is hard when it just keeps getting more and more difficult and no one seems to be doing anything to help you.
@Michele21 (3094)
• United States
21 Mar 07
I think it is sad that people know how to work the system so they get all kinds of benefits and don't have to work for anything! But when someone is really in need and wants to make their likfe better they don't get any help!! The system definitely needs to be revised in some way so people can't take advantage of things the way they do.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
21 Mar 07
This is exactly what I am talking about. Thank you for understanding.
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@Calais (10900)
• Australia
21 Mar 07
I totally agree with you, they just dont have any morals and are looking for a free ride handout. I have worked since the day I left school, I would be lost if I didnt (except to have children) but even then I was back at work 6 weeks later. There was once a very short period (1 week) when I was out of a job and had to go to the welfare office. I was so embarrassed and angry with myself, I didnt belong there, (gee but it opened my eyes)only because I got dates mixed up to start a new job. But people there were rude and disgusting, demanding handouts OMG the poor people behind the counters. I better stop otherwise I could keep on going on and on.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
21 Mar 07
I don't blame you. Mostly I am just venting on this one.
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• United States
22 Mar 07
Although some people legitimately need financial assistance, I think it is horrendous to purposefully put oneself in the position to need to be on welfare. I know people who have had children spaced across specific intervals to ensure they will be on welfare and receive financial assistance until they are old enough to retire. Retire? What a crock! Don't you have to work to retire??? I think it's terrible to have children because they create easy revenue. I think the welfare situation is something children learn, too. If their parents had 20 kids and got foodstamps and HUD, then their children are going to think this is normal, and they will follow their parents' lead. Welfare perpetuates welfare. I would be a bigger fan of welfare-to-work programs, because they would encourage people to actually become self sufficient. What eats me up about welfare is that I know people who are perfectly capable of working but choose not to who eat better than I do, and I work 40+ hours a week. You'd think the government would be concerned with taking care of the working poor, as well as the non-working poor. At least we generate revenue through taxes.
• United States
22 Mar 07
That actually isn't really true. I know several people who grew up in homes where they lived on welfare and they saw how their parents struggled to make ends meet and provide for them. Those kids are nearly all in good jobs now. While welfare may peretuate itself, I think it's unfair to say that it always does. I have seen no indication of this being true in my life experiences.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
24 Mar 07
I agree with both of you. It depends on a personality whether or not a child will follow the parents good or bad habits. As far as the working poor go, I know there are many working families that go to the food bank where I receive my weekly groceries. It's not easy to make ends meet even with a paycheck.
@Zmugzy (773)
21 Mar 07
Dear Ms, The welfare systems in various countries are designed to help help vulnerable people who have fallen on hard times, or who are denied in the job market for one reason or another. In any system of welfare there will always be a few who abuse the system, that doesn't mean that the government or the system is wrong. If you offer human beings interesting, fulfilling or well paid work to do then 99% of the time human beings will do the work. The problem is that there is so much work that is low paid, boring, humiliating and degrading. The other problem that is purposely ignored in the media is that there are too many people who get paid enormous amounts that is unrelated to what they contribute to society or for doing very little or even nothing at all. Make no mistake: you are working extra and paying extra for these people far more than you are for the few people claiming welfare. And for those that don't believe in welfare: go and live in the slums of India.
• Philippines
22 Mar 07
I like the point you are bringing up here, zmugzy. However, don't you believe that it will be better if welfare will help in making useful citizens out of these young people who are trying to access welfare over work? It will be good if we will make useful and fruitful citizens out of all capable ones thus helping them become self reliant and independent. Since your country can afford to hone and train these young citizens to become part of the productive workforce, maybe it is high time that this aspect of the welfare act shall be considered.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
I know what welfare is for. What I am protesting is there is not enough control over who gets it and why. What I am saying is that I personally know young men who are abusing the system and getting away with it. In my country, this is possible. It is a fault of the system. I am not judging those in need. I am saying why is it so stringent that those who DO NEED it, can't get it because of some little loophole.
• United States
22 Mar 07
Thats the way many seem to think and the parents as well as society have supported this mind set. The government and educational system has made this easier for them to do just that and once in a welfare program is very hard to over come and get out of this thinking. they seem to be under the concept of why work when the government will pay me not to. While there are folks that really need the system so many have take advantage of it and the end result is less is left for the really needy folks. I certainly don't know how to change it but it sure needs to be fixed some way. Maybe some sort of forced draft for able bodied needs to be in place for public service or even military draft if need be.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
24 Mar 07
I am not sure military draft would be the right answer but that's my own personal opinion of politics and military. That's ANOTHER discussion.
@xfahctor (14128)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Mar 07
It really has become a sad state of affairs and part of a growing dependence on government for your living and for them to provide you with everything. I dont believe its the governments job to care for our every need cradle to grave but rather to creat an environment in wich the individual can succeed. I dont believe anyone has a born right to public assistance and i cant see myself sacrifcing my independance for my living. Our forfathers would roll in their graves if they could see what has become of our system. No where in the constitution does it say anything about having the right to a car or your own house. These are things we earn and work towards. While im not apposed to a helping hand when it is truly needed i believe the goal of any welfare system should be to furthering the ability of the individual to succeed on their own.
@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
24 Mar 07
You're right, government was meant to be a support not a cradle to hold us for the rest of our lives.
@hoghoney (3749)
• United States
22 Mar 07
yes I know what you are talking about. The town that I live in there are so many lazy people that dont want to work and are getting welfare and food stamps and most of them live better then I do. while I am out busting my butt working and trying to make a good living in this world. so while I am work they are sleeping or watching TV all day sitting on a couch doing nothing but getting paid for it. HEY, where do I sign up. LOL
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
24 Mar 07
It does seem that these people who are taking of the system are gathered together in little colonies at some places. In other cases, it seems to be families where the tradition of using the system passes through the generations. No one seems to want to teach the newer generations that there is a more productive way to do things. Thank heaven there are others who do seek to get out of their history and make the world a little better one step at a time.
• United States
22 Mar 07
I could say I know some people that are my age or younger that are already on welfare. Stuck without jobs or don't even bother wanting to work. I don't see any logic for someone being on welfare. It's tough for those on low income especially difficult for those that have children and they are single parents.
@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
The whole key is "don't want to bother". This should not be allowed, but unfortunately we can't control people's attitudes in this way. The problem we are having specifically with this deals with both my husband and myself legitimately not working. I am in the frustrating process of trying to legitimately collect disability, and he has a small retirement income. It's not enough to support the living habits of his rather lax son who has extravagent taste.
• Philippines
22 Mar 07
You notice now the disadvantages of making welfare so easy to avail of. I have previous readings on the matter, as to how the system is being abused by a number of citizens. Perhaps the lawmakers in your country can add some provisions in the act which, can regulate and reduce this scenario that has been taking place for a really long time already.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
Too bad we couldn't make myLot obligatory reasoning for our representatives.
@coxkix69 (15)
• United States
22 Mar 07
I agree with you. i lived in NE when I had my daughter, and you were not able to get any welfair unless you had a dependant. they were very stric about that. Plus after you had a baby, you had to sign a paper at the welfair office that stated that you WOULD NOT get pregnant again for atleast 8 months, and try to claim that child for welfair. Then i move to NY, and any single, healthy person is eligable for not only food stamps and medical, BUT CASH ASSISTANCE! That part got me.. i couldn't believe it. Plus the amount of cash assistace you get out here is almost double what you get in Ne. Yet, the food stmaps are the same. I don't get it. For one child you can get almost 500 dollars a month in cash assistance! THATS CRAZY!
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
Like you said, "I don't get it."
@jewel76 (2305)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
I agree with you, those young people are just plain lazy. The thing though is that us workers pay so much taxes on our pay checks, that being on wellfare gives almost the same amount! So, yes, it is a governement f*ck up, they should lower our worker taxes, AND not accept ppl who have never worked to have wellfare.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
YES!! Thank you, I can always count you jewel darlin.
@chyszh88 (56)
• China
22 Mar 07
In my opinion,young people should go working or studying instead of going on welfare,but if some government allow young people to go on welfre,what can I say?
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
It doesn't make sense to me either.
@vanities (11387)
• Davao, Philippines
22 Mar 07
your country is different from mine..parents here in general are very supportive to their children may it be over age or adult..thats our tradition...our govt. havent have any programs such as yours ...
@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
Sounds like a fairytale kingdom to me. Bless you.
• United States
22 Mar 07
I completely understand what you are saying. If someone is a young and healthy adult with the proper capabilities of looking for a job, then they should do so. On the other hand, a lot of welfare agencies have a general rule of thumb, if you are capable of getting a job, they will give you assistance until you find one BUT you actually have to prove that you are looking. If within a certain set limit of time you still do not have a job, they will cut you off from further assistance. I for one was on welfare assistance for awhile. I am a mom with 3 young children age 10 months, 2 years, and 4 years. Back in August of 2006 I had a 3 year old daughter that passed away and was out of work for quite awhile due to depression and a severe mental breakdown. Welfare offered me assistance but they also helped me get through counseling to better my mind and get me to where I was able to once again go out and start looking for a job. So there are certain instances where I think young people do need the help of welfare. But to use the system when there are honestly people out there who truly need the assistance is wrong. They are cutting into government funds that some other family, or disabled person might seriously need that help. Very good post. I'm glad you put it up. Gives people something to think about. Perhaps it will help others to see they shouldn't be so selfish and take life for granted like that.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
Thank you. Finally a post from someone who has really read what I meant and what I said. I understand depression as I suffer from bipolar disorder, among my other problems. It sounds like the system was very helpful to you. It's too bad that they can't be that way with everyone.
@KrisNY (7591)
• United States
21 Mar 07
That suprises me that they even are eligible for welfare.. I've never had to have government help-- but I can;t imagine turning 18 and going to get welfare.. There must be some guidelines-- Do they perhaps have kids of their own? Is this how they qualify? What a pretty screwed up system...
@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
The young people I am speaking of live at home and don't have kids of their own. It's purely taking advantage because they are just lazy. It's not judgement on my part as these are young people that are known to be lazy by all the neighbors and acquaintances.
@NDVDNYK1 (53)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Yes its really so, but in some cases.For example I know many young persons who really love to work.
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@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
My own children live with their father and they are both hard workers who enjoy earning the value of their own special belongings. It's too bad not every child is taught the same way but some adults have grown up without those important pieces of knowledge.
• United States
21 Mar 07
Welfare can't get you anything but the needs. It can get you training courses. You can go to trade schools etc. I don't really think people want it for the ease f life. This is just not happening. Welfare is not a good choice so something is wrong. Or you just don't know these people who your speaking of. Maybe just passing judgment of them. That is not good either. anyone living paycheck to paycheck can end up needing welfare.
• Canada
21 Mar 07
I so know what you're talking about! My partner and I had to live on Welfare for a little while back when we lived in Toronto, because there were just NO jobs forthcoming even though he literally pounded the pavement every day handing out hundreds of resume copies. It took forever for the welfare office to sort out his claim and we almost didn't make it. Yet I see so many young adults lining up to make a claim for welfare, even though they haven't even tried to get a job. What's wrong with some people? I know both my partner and I would have loved to have had a job, but it just wasn't happening. Thankfully things have turned around now and my partner is making enough to support all of us while I'm a stay at home mom. Young people need to know that they can't just rely on the system to get them through life.
@kbkbooks (7028)
• Canada
22 Mar 07
I've been not working for almost two years now. The government is taking so long with my paperwork and we are really NOT making it except by the grace of God, neighbors, and family helping us, and the food bank.