Unwanted Child: Do they have the right to live?

Unwanted Child. - Unwanted Child: Do they have the right to live?
Philippines
March 28, 2007 11:51pm CST
I would like to apologize before hand if this will start heated argument but I don't intend this stir up confusion or hatred. I will respect opinions from different cultures and upbringings. This is a real life happenings to one of my friends who is now in the state of confusion and even hatred thus affecting the baby still in her womb. What's your opinion?
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@Shaun72 (15968)
• Palatka, Florida
29 Mar 07
I think that all babies have the right to live. I mean has she thought about adoption or foster care?
• Philippines
29 Mar 07
no i guess. all she care for now is the guilt feelings for committing that mistake and the embarrassment it brings to the family.
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• Philippines
3 May 07
it is good that she has guilt feelings now. she must take good care of herself that it will not happen again. since she is already pregnant, she has to allow the baby to have a live of its own soon. next time, she should know better.
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• United States
3 May 07
You have no right to say that. Guilt should NEVER be called a "good thing". And you don't know how her friend got pregnant, so you are in no position to say "she should know better". Accidents happen.
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• Janesville, Wisconsin
2 May 07
I am not very for abortion.. But The woman needs to look hard at what would be best for her physically and psychologically is best for her in the situation she is in. If she is more comfortable with abortion, and knows all the pros and cons of it and still feels that is best... then she should be allowed... If she can deal with the pregnancy, and can get a chance to meet up with someone who really wants to adopt a child, and hand the baby over for adoption, I think this would be wonderful too. There is so many people out there wanting children they can not have it would be a wonderful gift, if they do this though keeping the mother in the childs life still is important. Making sure they know the family heritage, family traditions, and Family medical history is very important for the child to feel like they have roots to hang onto, as any of us who been adopted who does not have those answers can feel angry or displaced for not having this information... I would offer your friend support and love no matter what she decides.. I believe the choice is ultimately up to her to make... I myself it they choose abortion would hope it be done early in the first trimester.... but I also do not feel abortion should ever be used as standard birth control. I had a sister who made a mistake... She ended up pregnant at 18 she kept her child and raised her until she was a self supportive as 18 and then split off with the man, they both hung together for the sake of the child.... so if some form of agreement like this can be worked out too or another member within her family wants to help raise and care for the child these are all different options to look at. I was a mistake, and many others like me were... If my mother had chosen to abort me I would not be mad.. I would have been understanding, and would then choose a different mother and come back again.. I think my strong belief in reincarnation, is one reason I may not appear to agree with many on views of this debate. In whatever happens Your friend is in our thoughts and prayers.. and there is not reason to keep beating oneself up for mistakes. Learn from them, release the guilt forgive oneselve admit the shame, and go forward towards a better future. - DNatureofDTrain
• Philippines
3 May 07
thanks so much for sharing your thoughts and your experience. very well, appreciated.
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• Philippines
2 May 07
No child should come unwanted. When they did the act of creation, they should have considered if they wanted the baby or not (this of course doesn't apply to rape victims, but still they should think before they leap into killing an innocent baby). Once the baby is in the mother's womb, they should welcome it as a gift. I'm sure there are circumstances wherein the mother would say she doesn't want the baby anymore because of any reason that she think is worthy of killing an unborn child, but no, I don't think there are reasons in this world to justify killing an innocent child and robbing him/her the right to taste life in this world. We have no right whatsoever to say nobody's got no right to live. Everybody's got this privilege of life and it's a big sin to take that privilege away from others... Thanks for a wonderful topic :D
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• Philippines
3 May 07
and it is a great privilege also to have your thoughts shared in this thread.
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• Australia
7 May 07
maple_kisses you have to also understand, no woman should be forced to hold on to a rape baby, i'm sure they aren't going to want it growing inside of them as a constant reminder. If you want to get technical, then like many have said in other discussions, as much as you would like to convince yourself this baby in there is alive, it isn't. A baby cannot survive outside of the mother (well not at the abortion stages - first 12 weeks) - if you take a baby out 12 weeks or sooner, there wouldn't be any life there, the only reason a heart beats in there is because of the mother. So, it really isn't taking a life at all, it's just not allowing a life to start. I don't wish to be rude & i am not for abortion but still, it's not taking a life at all unless the baby is out & able to function on it's own which at 12 weeks or less, it could not do anything.
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• Philippines
8 May 07
gemmy your thoughts are highly appreciated and i wont argue with that. but let me share also mind not intending to contradict yours. you have made mention of the technicality of the baby inside whether its alive or not. I am a parent of that beautiful princess in my avatar and based on her prenatal stage. there really is heartbeat inside that is different to that of the mother. in other words, there is life inside. you can confirm that separate heart beat of a mother and child in the womb in your nearest OBGyne clinic.
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@Willowlady (10666)
• United States
29 Mar 07
If before 10 weeks I think it is doable for the removable. Not a great option though many utilize it. An older child in the works should be wanted or put up for adoption. Many cannot have children and would love to adopt. The adoption fees are large so the child should go to a couple with money. I would say that unless married then there should have been no physical activity to make this situation. Once done then time to deal with it. Think about it and hope it all works out.
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• Philippines
30 Mar 07
i agree with bringing up the child for adoption. thats simplest way i guess to help her out. do hope she also have that in mind. thanks.
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@Anakata2007 (1789)
• Canada
5 May 07
I lost a baby at 6 months gestation and yet I still believe that the mothers rights are more than the foetus's rights until the baby is born into this world. I'm not sure why I feel that way, and it's not to say that people who choose to abort don't make me very angry or more realistically very very sad, but I still feel that it is the mothers body and she must make the final decision.
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• Philippines
7 May 07
i do respect your opinion and there are also desperate cases like choosing between the mother's life or the baby's. i am not sure how delicate at your age conceiving a baby but all i know is that, it is too risky for a woman to get pregnant on their 30's. i know someone who got pregnant and she is at her 32. she suffered pre-eclampsia symptoms and a gestational diabetes. although she is conceiving a baby but the doctors have to advise a controlled diet. the baby had to be taken out immediately when she was attacked by her eclampsia having 200/120 bp. by God's grace, the baby came out skinny but healthy.
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
18 Jun 07
"i know is that, it is too risky for a woman to get pregnant on their 30's. i know someone who got pregnant and she is at her 32. she suffered pre-eclampsia symptoms and a gestational diabetes." It's off subject, but you are mistaken. A woman in her 30s who is otherwise healthy is at an ideal age for having a child. Risks associated with maternal age, begin after 40 not 30. Pre-E is usually caused by a lack of protein in mom's diet, age is NOT a risk factor for it. It is a very serious & life threatening condition for mothers & babies. It's a condition pregnant women living in poverty die from daily.
• Philippines
3 May 07
it is so easy to say that i am carrying with me an unwanted child. the problem is, it is my irresponsibility which has caused the baby in my womb come about. why won't i face the consequences now? i must suffer for the results of my wrongdoing. i must learn from what i did. if it is so easy to have an abortion, i will never learn my lesson. i will keep on doing this thing, repeating the act without due regard with what will be the consequence of it. i can always say that i was wrong and i am sorry the next time around. tell that friend of yours, it is not the baby's fault that it is lodged in her tummy, it is hers - her and her fault alone. she'd better hate herself for doing it, because this is what is proper.
• Philippines
3 May 07
i like the way you pointed out someone elses mistakes. we should all learn from it. all mistakes has an equivalent consequences and we should never add up to that problem. learning from it is the best way to do. happy myLotting!
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
18 Jun 07
Hating oneself is not an emotion that's healthy for a woman who's expecting a baby. If she decides to continue this pregnancy her friends & family should support her & help her through it.
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• Philippines
3 May 07
yes they have the right because it is what god has given to you. It's a god's gift and so you should accept it even though you know that you can't give him a good life but at least make him experience where we live rather than killing it and you yourself would just be in pain for losing it in the end.
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• Philippines
3 May 07
yes and i definitely agree with you and it doesnt take one person a lot of hard work to grant that right to an unborn child. it only takes one word to do it that each of us should have - concience. happy myLotting
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
18 Jun 07
"yes and i definitely agree with you and it doesnt take one person a lot of hard work to grant that right to an unborn child. it only takes one word to do it that each of us should have - concience. happy myLotting" Are you kidding me? I take it from your avatar that you have at least one child. You don't think pregnancy, labor, birth & parenting (should the woman choose to keep the child) is hard work? Was your child carried by a surrogate? Are you a man? Carrying a pregnancy is hard work. It's 40 weeks of devotion; eating correctly, resting when your body needs it, exercising, avoiding stress, giving up negative habits. Then of course there are the side effects, dealing with nausea, heartburn, hemorroids, body changes, mood swings, and those are just some of the 'normal' side effects in an easy pregnancy. I won't even go into the trials of labor & birth and the complications that may stem from them. For the woman who CHOOSES to commit to a pregnancy, it is also a beautiful & amazing experience; but one that should be entered into knowingly, by choice and with love. To suggest that any part of it is easy is naive at best.
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@magica (3710)
• Bulgaria
6 May 07
I deeply respect the right of the woman to have or not to have a baby. And can we treat a embrione as consious or unconsious organism? Do we really kill a person/ baby/ or not? But you said it:UNWANTED. What is better: to abort a baby, to have him and to leave it or to have it, to live with him,but to make him unhappy? Too complicated discussion indeed.
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• Philippines
7 May 07
yep, and let's just hope that her conscience will help her decide on the matter.
@KissThis (3008)
• United States
4 May 07
I think that every child has the right to live. Your friend is going to have to decide what to do by what she can live with. Could she live with herself if she was to abort this baby? If she doesn't feel like she is able to raise this child on her own could she give the baby up for adoption? Their are plenty of options she just needs to think about what she could live with herself doing.
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• Philippines
5 May 07
yeah, we share almost the same opinion as most of us here. thanks for your thoughts.
• United States
3 May 07
The baby in her womb is very real and living. She could put it up for adoption but I think the child has every right to live. It is not the babies fault that it has come to be. People should take a deep look and wonder what would have happened if their mom had decided that she didn't want them. Then there would be no deciding because the person who is pregnant wouldn't be here to have to decide this issue.
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• Philippines
3 May 07
that is straight to the point. thanks for your thoughts.
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• United States
31 May 07
The right choice can only be determined by the individual.
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@anonymili (3138)
7 May 07
Personally I believe it's an individual's choice what they do if they should fall pregnant by accident. But it is not right to bring a child into the world that you are not ready for and you might be able to face 9 months of pregnancy to have to give up the baby for adoption. If more people considered abortion there will be a lot less burden on society. There are, for example, so many people who can't even feed themselves and just keep having more kids who will not have a good life or they expect the state and other taxpayers to pay for their kids which I, for one, really do resent. Why should others make judgements about what anyone should be forced to do with their body. If a woman wants to have an abortion then she should be able to do it without do gooders sticking their noses in and screaming "it's not right". She will feel bad about anyway for many years to come and doesn't need other people to rub it in even more.
@saierchok (1294)
• United States
18 Jun 07
Do they have the right to live?? Of course they do!! who are we to take away this birth right of them?? what in are we better than them???
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
18 Jun 07
If they have not been born, how would they have any "birth rights"?
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@saierchok (1294)
• United States
20 Jun 07
I guess I haven't understood that the baby hasn't been born yet.. because I'm with abortion not against it, I thought that the baby was already born.. any way I can't call a baby inside of a woman's belly a parasite because it's a part of her.. and there are times to do the abortion like before the life comes to the embryo.. like in the stage where the heart of it didn't beat.. because once it beats it's a living creature and aborting it is killing a soul..
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@saierchok (1294)
• United States
21 Jun 07
well, does a cut hand have a soul?? how do you look at an eye that has been taken of someone's body, or a hand that has been cut, or a leg that has been removed.. do you burry it, burn it, or throw it away?? how would the owner of such organ think about people humiliating it?? the embryo is a part of the mother wether she likes it or not.. the way she treats it shows how respecting she is to her self.. if we say as you said " not every living thing has a soul" it might not have a soul.. but it's finder does..
@Gemmygirl1 (2871)
• Australia
7 May 07
I'm sorry, as much as i disagree with abortion i will not tell a rape victim that GOD put the baby there as a gift. So many people have said - even if it's rape, put the baby up for adoption, are you SERIOUS? As if a rapped woman is going to want to carry a reminder of the savage attack & invasion of her personal space. I think that no matter how many people say it - a rape victim has not been given a blessing by God, God would never make something like that happen for the sake of creating a baby. I believe it is also every woman's decision as to whether she keep the child, puts it up for adoption or has an abortion but no-one out there has the right to tell someone else they cant abort, especially not a rape victim coz unless you've been in that situation, you have no idea what they are feeling. As i said before, there is technically NO LIFE in the mother's womb at 12 weeks or less, i know many will disagree but it cannot be a life unless it can function on it's own & at 12 weeks or less, if removed from the womb, there would be NO LIFE, the baby could not survive as it has no organs or anything to live off of. I apologise if i have offended anyone but you have to look at it from the other side of the table. You could say a rape baby deserves to live, that's all good in theory but unless you are actually the one who has been raped you will NEVER know how it feels.
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• Philippines
8 May 07
it is alright gemmy. we all share different thoughts though i somehow disagree with you but your thoughts are greatly appreciated in my thread. and it is nice to hear ideas from people from different cultures. and this is the reason why i open up this thread. I wanted to hear ideas not only to people of which i can agree but also to others who share different ideas. happy myLotting.
@Swtrose (3399)
• Canada
9 May 07
I can understand how someone who has NEVER had a child could see them as being not a gift.
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• United States
10 May 07
Never having a kid generally comes from never wanting a kid. Generally, when you don't want them, you don't think they're "gifts".
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@djmarion (4901)
• Philippines
3 May 07
yes of course, wanted or not, they still have the right to see the beauty of the world, beside they have no fault that they are about to be alive so nobody has the right to eliminate them.
• Philippines
3 May 07
and the same as the rest of us. happy myLotting!
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
18 Jun 07
"...they are about to be alive..." By your own statement, you agree that it is not yet alive. Rights are what living humans have, not what gestating pregnancies have. Until a pregnancy has passed a point of some viability, it is not a child, baby or person and it is the woman's choice & right to decide if it should continue to that point.
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@Swtrose (3399)
• Canada
7 May 07
Perhaps you could help your friend through this time by being supportive and giving her other options. I believe that her unwanted child has a right to live and I think your friend sounds scared.
• Philippines
7 May 07
yes she needs some comforting at this very moment. your thoughts are appreciated.
@James72 (26832)
• Australia
5 May 07
Every child has the right to life! I just hope that your friend is able to change her views before her child is born. Only then will she be able to provide the love, guidance and care that her child deserves. Its always interesting how some people cannot accept the consequences of their actions and therefore punish the innocent existence of their children. Sure, people can become pregnant unexpectedly but what is done is done. They themselves would not be in this world if their parent had of had the same attitude!
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• Philippines
7 May 07
she have lots of people around her who cared and love her and comforted her at all times. your thoughts are appreciated.
@judyt00 (3504)
• Canada
21 Jun 07
A fetus has no rights. period. I think its time people stayed out of other people's lives and stopped telling them what to do
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@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
21 Jun 07
I don't see anyone telling anyone what to do. IT is purely opinion based. Abortion is legal no matter what people think about it. As far as the fetus having no rights, you are correct. Rather sad in my opinion. The word FETUS is just another word for human development. Embryo Fetus Infant Toddler Teen Adult Apparently, the human has no rights until they are past stage two. Why would a fetus have rights? They can't speak. I guess those bearing the unborn are supposed to defend their rights, yet some don't.
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@judyt00 (3504)
• Canada
22 Jun 07
What rights? A fetus HAS NO RIGHTS, since it is not viable life. Its kind of like saying a cancer has rights.
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@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
22 Jun 07
I also said YOUR ARE RIGHT!!! They have no rights. MY point was I don't find it just that the unborn has no rights. That is MY opinion, ok! There are also better things to compare a fetus to than cancer. Those are two totally different things.
@jene1985 (228)
• Australia
21 Jun 07
well to me this is clear cut children are innocent and deserve a right to live if a child is born and is not wanted by the parent then there are plently of women out there who want children and arent able if you dont want to be a mother then let someone else have that chance
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@judyt00 (3504)
• Canada
22 Jun 07
The topic is about abortion, not adoption.its really the born again minority trying to tell us we have to live by their narrow standards, which, for the most part, they don't follow themselves.
@BethTN81 (564)
• United States
22 Jun 07
Why so bitter Judy. Who has pointed fingers at YOU? Every post to make is so hostile. All I see on here are people's views. As far as born again people. I kinda agree with ya there. I try not to live that way. Just express my views. When a person expresses their view you can count on people to disagree.
• United States
22 Jun 07
Women who have had abortions and have to endure stigma and ridicule from those kinds of people tend to be bitter. Women who are unstable in any way or know for a fact that they would never want to carry a pregnancy get angry and frightened when facing the people who may possibly violently rip away their rights to control their own bodily function and usage. I used to be angry and violent myself, but no one really listens to that and I rather spread awareness than make those controling fundamentalists even more steadfast and fascist.
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@Chikana (39)
• India
5 Jun 07
LIfe is the RIGHT for all the babies. Don't ask such foolish questions. Child may be unwanted for you. But did that child ask you to give birth to him? No. Then Let them living thier life.
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• United States
14 Jun 07
If they didn't ask to be given birth to, then I have no obligation to birth them and I have every right to get rid of it before that comes to pass.
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@eden32 (3976)
• United States
18 Jun 07
Life is the right for all "babies". I agree, breathing, viable, outside of the womb= babies. A pregnancy is NOT a baby. It is a collection of cells, tissue, etc. It is not viable & can not exist without the proper conditions in a woman's body. A woman, without any doubt is a living, thinking, feeling being. Her body is hers to do with as she wishes and if that includes not being pregnant at this time then she has the right to stop a pregnancy before it becomes a baby/child/person.
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