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myLot reputation of 87/100. TeresaK (8081) 5 years ago


http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...

Many parents admit they bribe their kids

By MARTHA IRVINE, AP National Writer

Call it a reward, or just "bribery." Whichever it is, many parents today readily admit to buying off their children, who get goodies for anything from behaving in a restaurant to sleeping all night in their own beds. Often, the rewards are for behaviors their own parents would have simply expected, just because they said so.

The new dynamic sometimes seen as a backlash to that strictness has some parenting experts wondering if today's parents have gone too soft.

"It's definitely more our generation," Kirsten Whipple, a 35-year-old mom in Northbrook, Ill., says with a quiet laugh. "I'm sure our parents would be appalled if they knew how much we bribe our children."

She can see why they might be but she and her husband try not to overuse rewards and have found they work best for smaller things. For instance, they might offer their boys, ages 5 and 8, a special dessert or a chance to rent a video game if they listen to their baby sitter. A good report card might earn a dinner out to celebrate.

Whipple has noticed a downside though what she calls a "sense of entitlement."

"Often times, it leads to good behavior with a question attached: 'What are you going to give me?'" she says.

That's part of what worries parenting experts.

"I think that reward systems have a time and a place and work really well to help develop capacities if we need them to go above and beyond," says Marcy Safyer, director of the Adelphi University Institute for Parenting.

She remembers how, as a child, her own parents promised her an ice cream if she could sit quietly through religious services.

"But what often gets lost for people is being able to figure out how to communicate to their kids that doing the thing is rewarding enough," Safyer says.

Feeling rested in the morning, for instance, could be seen as the reward for not getting up at night.

"Instead, parents are paying their kids to get good grades; they pay their kids to go to sleep, pay their kids to be toilet trained," Safyer says, meaning payment as a material reward.

Parents and experts alike agree that the dynamic is partly a reflection of the world we live in where many families have more than previous generations.

It's unrealistic to think a parent wouldn't reward their children with material things sometimes, says Robin Lanzi, a clinical psychologist and mother of four who's the research director at the Center on Health and Education at Georgetown University.

"But you want to make sure that they match the behavior, so it's not something huge for something small," Lanzi says.

She recalls hearing about a father who offered his child a Nintendo Wii game system for scoring a couple goals in a soccer game.

"There's always this upping the ante," Lanzi says. "What was a reward 20 or 30 years ago is a whole lot different than it is now."

Elizabeth Powell, a mother of two young daughters in Austin, Texas, knows what she means.

"You want to raise them in a way that they're respectful and appreciate things," Powell says of her children. "But sometimes, you wonder now if kids appreciate even a new pair of shoes."

That was something she remembers being a big deal to her as a kid as were the ice creams and 45 rpm records, or very occasional trips to McDonald's.

These days, she sees children negotiating to get things in a way she never would've dreamed of. "A lot of my friends, I see them cave, just like I have a tendency to do just to get them to be quiet," Powell says.

She and other parents agree that striking a balance with rewards and not giving them so often that they mean nothing is the goal.

Powell sometimes lets her 5-year-old daughter shop at a store she likes, if she behaves for an entire trip to the mall.

She doesn't want it to become an expectation. But she also concedes that having two kids has made it more difficult to stick to the ideal, especially in public settings.

"There are times when you have a second child, and you've got to change a diaper. And you find yourself telling your (older) child that 'I will do anything you want if you will just stand here and behave,'" says Powell, who's 34.

"Sometimes, desperate situations call for desperate measures."

Those who specialize in child behavior say they hear those kinds of stories from parents all the time and often try to suggest methods that don't involve material rewards.

Sometimes, "because I said so" is still a valid tactic. But for something like sleeping in their own bed, Safyer suggests putting stars on a chart for each night the child is able to stay in his or her room and then making a big deal about the progress.

"Parents' pride in their children goes a long way," she says.

Claire Lerner director of parenting resources for the Washington, D.C., nonprofit Zero To Three also recalls a couple whose child would only brush his teeth if he got a reward.

She suggested the parents emphasize the benefits of just getting it done.

"To have a power struggle takes up a lot of time and eats into the bedtime routine," Lerner says. "So you can tell them that if they brush their teeth, 'We have time for an extra book or an extra lullaby or five more minutes in the bath' whatever it is they really love.

"That's a real-life consequence."

 

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1. myLot reputation of 98/100. misheleen73 (3135)   ranked 168 out of 9,011 in parenting   5 years ago

I agree that this is happening more and more in society today as well. But our parents also had the "threat" factor. I knew if I brought home bad grades, etc I would get in HUGE trouble. Now you can't even verbally descipline your children in public without someone walking by with something to say. My mother used to tell us if we didn't behave in the store, we'd "get it" when we got home. The kids now don't have that fear. Even if my mom didn't do anything at all, there was still that fear. Our kids now, know we aren't allowed to do anything to them, so even if we threaten it, they know it's not going to happen. I think every child is different and some kids respond well to the things in the article and some are spoiled, and some are just bad. It really depends on the child's personality & temperament. I am a firm believer in children having their own sense of self and no matter how well you raise them, they are going to be who they are going to be. Many good people come out of horrible homes/neighborhoods. And many really bad people come from great families/neighborhoods.


myLot reputation of 87/100. TeresaK (8081)  5 years ago

My parents never had to use the threat thing with us, and I've never used it with my children. We always reviewed the rules for public behaviour before we left the house, as well as the consequences for breaking those rules. If a rule was broken, the consequence was immediate, and there was no threat of having to wait until we got home. My children knew/know that I will follow through with everything I say, just as I knew my parents would.
I do agree totally with this though: "Many good people come out of horrible homes/neighborhoods. And many really bad people come from great families/neighborhoods."


myLot reputation of 98/100. misheleen73 (3135)   ranked 168 out of 9,011 in parenting  5 years ago

that just proves the point of different children, different methods. I know my one son responds well just to telling him to do something. My other son literally laughs at you even if you punish him. Instead of cleaning his room, he'll help you put them in the garbage bag to throw away !! If I didn't have 2 night and day kids I would have never known there is such a difference.


myLot reputation of 87/100. TeresaK (8081)  5 years ago

Yep, I suppose you could be right.

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2. myLot reputation of 87/100. kynni204 (539)   ranked 35 out of 9,011 in parenting   5 years ago

I beleive that promising children rewards for their behavior is a bad practice. There may be a time you have no reward for them. They will automatically figure "I can clown today." I don't agree with paying children to work around the house either. They need to know you will do it becasue it is a rule.


myLot reputation of 87/100. TeresaK (8081)  5 years ago

Yes, I agree. We don't pay the children for doing chores around the house, either. We believe those are just part of the responsibility of being a member of our family.

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3. myLot reputation of 92/100. makingpots (6767)   ranked 105 out of 9,011 in parenting   5 years ago

I do something, and everytime I do it I get a knot in my stomach just knowing it is wrong. My son and I go to parks and playgrounds often. There are three that I like to alternate taking him to and we have to drive to them. He never wants to leave.... I know this is common for children. Instead of dragging him to the car kicking and screaming their is usually something for him that I will only give him after he gets in his seat. Sometimes it is a cookie, or chocolate milk, once it was getting to make a phone call to daddy. The other day all he wanted was his juice (water actually but he calls it juice) and I told him I'd give it to him when he got in the car. Instintively, I know it is wrong. This is the only area that we have this problem. Around the house and with routines, he knows the boundaries and while he tests them he always knows what is expected.

Advice, Teresa????


myLot reputation of 87/100. TeresaK (8081)  5 years ago

Well, I'll try! LOL

Sounds like you've set up the "treat" as a reward, and made it a habit, so he's come to expect that he will now be rewarded for every time he does something that he should actually be doing just because Mom asked him to do it. So, my first suggestion would be to stop rewarding him for doing what he's supposed to do.

Try giving him a five minute warning...then he has time to transition from playing and having fun, to getting ready to head for home. At the end of the five minutes, just say "It's time to go now. We'll play here again soon." Then take his hand, and start him toward the car. If he doesn't cooperate, then you really DO need to just pick him up and take him to the car. For me, the consequence for not listening would be that we didn't go to the park the next day. (Before you leave the house, fill him in on the new plan...the five minute warning, and the consequence for not minding you at the end of the five minutes).
Hope this helps!


myLot reputation of 92/100. makingpots (6767)   ranked 105 out of 9,011 in parenting  5 years ago

Thank you.
It's so funny how you can read something like your advice and think "of COURSE that is what I need to be doing"..... Then why aren't I doing it?

Just goes to show that mommies need other mommies and friends. Just like at work you occassionally need a mentor.

I try to be a love and logic mommy. I have a friend who has mastered this theory... she is amazing. When her son started the whole morning time power struggle before going to preschool (age 4) she made sure he understood that her car was leaving to take he and his brother to school when the big hand is on 'whatever'. He still needed to dress (the struggle source), eat his breakfast and brush his teeth. As the struggle continued she put his breakfast and tooth brush in a bag because he would no longer have time to do that. Finally it was time to leave, she put his clothes in a bag and carried him to the car in only shorts.... no shirt, socks, etc. When she pulled up in the carpool line and the teacher came to the car she rolled down the window and asked, "are you a love and logic mommy?" Here is his breakfast and here are his clothes..... the teacher helped him out of the car. She learned later that it was 45 mins before he came around and when she picked him up he had his shirt on backwards. But she says that it only took one other morning of walking into his room with the plastic bag she put his clothes in and he has fixed his own behaviour.

As she likes to put it - sometimes then need to see what the consequences look like.


myLot reputation of 87/100. TeresaK (8081)  5 years ago

That's true! Until they see it, it's just words, and they don't really believe that Mom would actually DO that to them....but after a time or two, it sinks in that "Mom really means it!" So say what you mean, and mean what you say. :)


myLot reputation of 92/100. makingpots (6767)   ranked 105 out of 9,011 in parenting  5 years ago

Thank you for the best response.

I am happy to report that Operation Leave The Park has been a complete success. It took some work but the expectations are clearly understood now. Thanks for the moral support.

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4. myLot reputation of 96/100. aprilgrl (3924)   ranked 1,707 out of 9,011 in parenting   5 years ago

I think it is very wrong. I have never done that with my daughterand my parent didn't either.


myLot reputation of 87/100. TeresaK (8081)  5 years ago

I think it is a bad thing to start, as they will come to expect it.

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