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myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history 5 years ago

This sounds so interesting & I'm hoping I can track down a copy of the book mentioned.

There is a common perception that life in the once-thriving Roman city of Pompeii is well-known from the wealth of artefacts that have been uncovered since its accidental discovery in 1748, but this is far from the case, according to findings of University of Leicester archaeologist Dr Penelope M Allison.

Until recently archaeologists working on Pompeian artefacts have tended to concentrate on examples of art, some of it erotic, from the town that was suddenly destroyed by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in August 79 AD. But Dr Allison’s recently published book, The Insula of the Menander in Pompeii vol 3: the finds, a contextual study, has changed this emphasis.

"I am looking at pots and pans and how houses actually functioned," she said. "I am interested in revealing the utilitarian side of life rather than its glamorous side; in slaves and servants and how they lived side by side with their masters. We always assume that servants were kept out of sight, but this is a 19th century view.

"If we look at the distribution of domestic material in Pompeii houses, such as the cupboards where pots and pans were kept, we find they were in the main front hall, the atrium where visitors would be received. The same is true of the main household water supply. Slaves would be coming to get these things all the time and would be far from invisible."

Dr Allison has been working on Pompeii for over 20 years. Her previous study was to look at 30 houses in the light of the everyday objects that had been largely ignored in favour of more exotic finds. She became fascinated by what the actual objects might have been used for and who might have used them.

"Today we have hundreds of very specific gadgets," she said, "but in a non-gadget world you have a number of things used for a variety of purposes, such as pots that might have been wine dippers and spindle whorls that were used as furniture ornamentation.

"Also, we assume we know about doctors in the Roman world. We believe that whenever we find medical instruments they belonged to doctors. But I think that a lot more high-level first aid went on within ouseholds.
We have found Surgical Instruments in domestic contexts and I think someone in the house was responsible for sewing up injured people. Nowadays we have a much more specialised approach to looking after the human body."

Dr Allison also speculates on the amount of cooking that went on in the huge kitchens in affluent Roman households. "I found little braziers and flat vessels that were burned underneath that might have been used round the house, more like our barbecues, indicating that food was heated up in front of diners. Maybe Roman cooking smells did not offend these diners."

She has found no sets of tableware in Pompeian houses such as are found in Roman burial sites. Formal dining could have been very rare, she surmises, with people perhaps eating ‘on the wing’, much as busy families do today.

The implications of her research and recent book stretch beyond Pompeii itself, to how other Roman sites can be interpreted. Because of the suddenness of its destruction, Pompeii offers a context for the artefacts that are found, in a way that virtually no other site can do.

She has been looking at objects found in the same room and speculating on what that suggests in terms of usage of such objects. "For instance, why were this plate and these lamps found together? Were they indicative of some kind of offering? What were the lamps for? What was the situation that brought them together, and how would you have lit this space?" she asks.

Other finds that have puzzled her are the large quantities of heavy stone weights and scales in houses. "Today everything has its weight written on it when we buy it," she explains, "but in the Roman world everything would have to be weighted coming in and out of the houses.

"Also, where there are a number of looms found in one house, does this imply commercial activity? Not necessarily. We need to think more carefully about the relationship between commercial wool shops and the houses. Did women buy wool from shops and weave for their own household, selling off the surplus? We don’t know, this is not something archaeologists have looked at. Was weaving done by both men and women? We would assume men were involved in any commercial environment, but this is just our conception.

"We are taking Roman domestic life into a more intellectual realm," Dr Allison said, adding a caution. "Domestic life in the past was not necessarily the same as it is nowadays."

Dr Allison is one of a small number of prestigious ‘New Blood’ research appointments made recently at the University of Leicester. These lectureships offer young and talented research staff an opportunity to pursue their research, with a reduced teaching load during the first four years of employment and funding for research travel.

When the University first advertised the New Blood appointments nearly 1000 applications were received for the 21 posts on offer. Two New Blood appointments were made in the School of Archaeology and Ancient History.

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The Insula of the Menander in Pompeii vol 3: the finds, a contextual study by Dr Penelope M Allison is published by Oxford University Press. It is part of a five-volume detailed study of one Pompeian city block by the British Pompeii Committee.


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tags:  pompeii, ancient history, history, archaelogy, atlantis
 
1. myLot reputation of 88/100. bruxedo (581)   ranked 118 out of 256 in history   5 years ago

This is very much interesting and I would also like to read the book. I love history and the roman civilization. The great inventors they were in everything related with with confortable life. They enjoyed life like no other people. Of course that was only for some.. but isn't it the same nowadays?


myLot reputation of 98/100. trinidadvelasco (9574)   ranked 103 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

it is true that people never learn, bruxedo. this is the reason why history repeats itself. if people ever learn, then history will never repeat itself. thus comes our big interest in the study of history. we can see the influence of things in our lives if we have a good knowledge of it. that book is indeed worth so much more. happy hunting for a copy of it. i hope to get one, too.

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2. In_a_Crafting_Daze (65)   ranked 217 out of 256 in history   5 years ago

I think the history of Pompei is one of my favorite topics! How very interesting that they are still investigating the meanings behind the artifacts!

I have suspicions that the world was not like we think it was. Those of us trying to interpret history tend to use the perspective that we have been brought to have. (did that make sense? ha ha) I mean, our society has certain expectations about how certain "statuses" of people should behave and I think all too often we force historical facts to fit these stereotypes.

Thanks for bringing back such an interest in history, I haven't thought about things like this is way too long!

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3. myLot reputation of 96/100. jwfarrimond (3266)   ranked 26 out of 256 in history   5 years ago

I've been to Pompeii - absolutely facinating, especially as I spent nearly 20 years in field archaeology myself.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

That is SOOOOO COOOOOOLLLLLL!!! I would've LOVED to be an archaeologist, but, something about bugs & outside would've made it hard for me to persue that career. I'm allergic to bugs & the colleges around here push meso-american archaeology & I'd not do well physically in that part of the world.


myLot reputation of 96/100. jwfarrimond (3266)   ranked 26 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

What most people don't realise is that there was also another town destroyed at the same time - Herculaneum. Several other smaller places and villas where also overwhelmed. One of the villas produced a treasure of silver plate which the owner had been trying to conceal at the time . His body was found along with his treasure. Herculaneum can also be visited, though the excavated remains are much less extensive than at Pompeii. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Vesuvius



myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

A smaller & less important town than Pompeii.

A friend sent me this:

http://spqrblues.comicgenesis.com/

A kind of comic set in this town pre-eruption

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4. myLot reputation of 93/100. winterose (18789)   5 years ago

I have always found that part of history very interesting. I read once that somebody thought pompei actually was the lost city of atlantis that plato talked about.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

That person didn't know much about dates did he. After all, Plato PRE-dated Pompeii by about 400 years!


myLot reputation of 96/100. jwfarrimond (3266)   ranked 26 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

To say nothing of such minor details as Atlantis being swallowed up by the sea and Pompeii being buried by volcanic eruption. In any case, those of us who follow Stargate know that Atlantis is in another galaxy anyway :-)


myLot reputation of 93/100. winterose (18789)  5 years ago

yes and the ancient city fell off into the water, hence the theory of atlantis,

here is just some of the stuff on the internet about t his particular theory

Helike: The Greek Pompeii or the real Atlantis

It was in 373 B.C., when a catastrophic earthquake and tsunami destroyed and submerged the ancient Greek city of Helike in the southwest shore of the Peloponnesos. Ancient writers ascribed the disaster, as Strabo, and claim that the wrath of Poseidon brought the city in ruins. An excellent documentary by BBC!

What do you think, is Helike the real Atlantis? Read more on Helike in the Helike Foundation

Labels: ancient greece, atlantis, bbc, helike, poseidon, video


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

But you said that there were those who thought Plato was talking about Pompeii, now your talking about another city.

Besides, if you take a "0" off both the time & the distance, you get really close to the explosive eruption at Thera (Santerini) that was the probably cause of the falling of the Minoian civilization.


myLot reputation of 93/100. winterose (18789)  5 years ago

I don't have the actual source anymore it was years ago when I read it. And it does not seem to be on the internet. I know it is a common believe that somewhere off of greece is where plato was referring to, but this one story referred to pompeii, who knows it is still is a mystery.


myLot reputation of 96/100. jwfarrimond (3266)   ranked 26 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

Thera, just north of Crete is generally supposed to be the origin of Plato's Atlantis story.


myLot reputation of 93/100. winterose (18789)  5 years ago

thank you jw, this is quite interesting. My forte is psychology not archeaology or even ancient histry but it is fascinating.

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5. myLot reputation of 93/100. gberlin (3165)   ranked 20 out of 256 in history   5 years ago

Very interesting facts about Pompeii! Thanks for sharing. As a historian I am always interested in new historical finds.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

I love history, I had 30 hrs of it in college. Infact, the only thing that prevented me from having a double major was my language learning disablitity that nobody knew about such things back then.

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. trinidadvelasco (9574)   ranked 103 out of 256 in history   5 years ago

These are profound findings about life in Pompeii. These achaelogists are so dedicated in their work to unearth and understand more about the past. Since Pompeii was so suddenly wiped out by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius, these finds will show us the life that they had as it was. We can picture in our minds that no one had the time to change whatever in their homes then.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

This is so true & is why I posted the artical. I think trying to understand the real way things were makes life much richer in the long run.

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7. myLot reputation of 99/100. Woodpigeon (2596)   ranked 23 out of 256 in history   5 years ago

Thanks Elic, notonly for he original post but the fascinating discussion that resulted from it. I am also interested in Pompeii and watch any and all documentaries, nd docudramas that result from studying the orignal material. There are also numreous books on the subject which I find equally fascinating.

This is getting just slightly off track but after reading this discussion, I wonder f you have ever come across the book, Discovery of Lost Worlds. It was edited by JOseph J Thorndike Jr and published by AMerican Heritage Publishing, Co, Inc in 1979. It ocers he history of a number of lost cities, including Petra, Tiahuanaco, and of course, Pompeii.

There is something called Time Stopped in Pompeii by Michael Grant in the above book. If you are interested in Pompeii, even though it is older material, it has a beautiful slection of color plates and is quite interesting and informative!

Thanks again for the great topic!


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

I have seen this book. I have enjoyed looking at the pictures of all the places in the book & read the articals. I love stuff like that!


myLot reputation of 99/100. Woodpigeon (2596)   ranked 23 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

It is a great book, isn't it? I picked it up for a song years ago and have gotten great mileage out of it, and now my kids will too when various reports come up.

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8. myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)   5 years ago

I have always found the history of the world very exciting. Archaeology helps dig up the true facts about a civilization/culture. I believe it will truly be a book worth reading. Just think if people did the healing in their home nowadays. Oh what money would be save.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

Well, they didn't have pain killers back then like we do now & what they did have had no regulations like modern meds. I think 85% of what they could do at home, we still do at home, in some ways better because of more modern medicines. I, for one, got a stitch once without a pain killer, I'll take a pass on having to do that again any time soon.


myLot reputation of 96/100. jwfarrimond (3266)   ranked 26 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

They used opium as a painkiller. Raw opium of course contains the base chemicals for many painkillers used today.

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9. myLot reputation of 96/100. Inky261 (2051)   5 years ago

I went to Pompeji to look at all the things. It is huge and there are many tourists. It is a very interesting place. The Italian guide showed us all the objects, to tell the truth, not all of them looked genuine to me... but it was very interesting to look into the houses. I bought one of these cave canim tiles as a souvenier... Yes, Pompeji I`ll never forget.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24688)   ranked 1 out of 256 in history  5 years ago

I'd love to go myself. I view it rather like the artical talked about. A city nearly untouched for nearly 2000 yrs.

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